[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

The Bible?

Man made book... no proof of who wrote it... all we know is that it is really really old....

But people live there lives by it....

a simple question is why....

Do not assume I am a non-believe, assume that I just wish to know what made you choose the Bible and not some other old book?

The KJV1611 has been proven to be the work of God. Research was done by the Jerusalem College of Technology and the Hebrew University, have shown this and their findings were published in the prestigious scientific journal "Statistical Science" in 1994, August edition, page 306.

Said published works were also cited in Bible Review, October 1995 edition on page 45 where they said as to the findings: "The phenomenon cannot be attributed to ANYTHING within the KNOWN PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, human beings included."

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[hell is people]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

"The Word of God is the Word of God, and it says what it says. If you don't approve, take it up with the Almighty."


-Do you know how I may be able to get through to God???

You see I have tried throughout my life to get answers from him but no reply....hmm even with utmost faith he still does not talk to me.

But you seem to have all the answers so perhaps you could give me assistance or is the Bible the only thing you can quote from?

If so please quote from the original Bible which is not English and translate the meaning you find for yourself.... the Bible I want is the one that has not been edited to include anti- gay.

Thanks a bunch for your kind assistance

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

If so please quote from the original Bible which is not English and translate the meaning you find for yourself.... the Bible I want is the one that has not been edited to include anti- gay.

Have it your way. What meaning did Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 have in the original Hebrew that needed to be edited to be anti-gay? What meaning did Romans 1:27 have in the original Greek that needed to be edited to be anti-gay?

[hell is people]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

Yes I can see what this english translation says but on this very site I see posts from godly people who insist than obgjects must be used to transfer a mans semen into their bodies so as to not let them put their 'choo choo' into their spouses dirty place.... So now men can't even naturally inseminate their wives so they must pay for and use foreign man made object to deliver it for them as to build an army for god....

does that sound like something god would say or Jesus in that matter? but yet if 2 men do it its bad because it is unnatural?

hmm...

[Wide-Open]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

Yes I can see what this english translation says but..

Friend, you are dodging Pastor Peters' question.

[hell is people]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

you say dodging I say quoting the unnaturalness of you gay argument referenced by the 1 and only source you know.

Do you wish for me to translate this english text back into its original language to see if the texts match so that we can then see how accurate the english bible is?

Well I can't do that right now. But yes what I said is on your site so what part of being gay is a sin if not that it is unnatural? i mean that is all that it is....

You are a pastor could you please summarize what those phrases are in fact meaning, after all I am a lay person who has not studied the words of biblical texts.

Thank you kind sir

[handmaiden]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

you say dodging I say quoting the unnaturalness of you gay argument referenced by the 1 and only source you know.

Do you wish for me to translate this english text back into its original language to see if the texts match so that we can then see how accurate the english bible is?

Well I can't do that right now. But yes what I said is on your site so what part of being gay is a sin if not that it is unnatural? i mean that is all that it is....

You are a pastor could you please summarize what those phrases are in fact meaning, after all I am a lay person who has not studied the words of biblical texts.

Thank you kind sir

What an odd excuse for a human being you are.

People have had more success teaching sign language to gorillas. The gorillas certainly gave more evidence of understanding what it was that they were being taught.

Seek out the original languages of the Bible if you dare. There are no versions that accept homosexual behavior. Indeed, if there were a gorilla language edition of the Bible, the "no put boy dangle part in boy pooper part" would be very clear.


Gyno Sapienly Yours,

Handmaiden

[BelieverInGod]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

"The Word of God is the Word of God, and it says what it says. If you don't approve, take it up with the Almighty."


-Do you know how I may be able to get through to God???

Faithful prayer, God answers my husband and my prayers all the time. From getting a Job in Iowa with an almost 50% raise once you include taxation and cost of living, to saving my sons life, to finding my car keys.

You see I have tried throughout my life to get answers from him but no reply....hmm even with utmost faith he still does not talk to me.

Exactly how can you have utmost faith if you don't believe in him. I don't think you realize what "faith" is.

• Do you know that the sun will rise tomorrow? No you don't, you just have faith that it will.
• Do you know that you have a home to go to? No you don't, you just have faith that it will.

That is the kind of faith that prayer takes, KNOWING that God is there and that he will answer your prayer.

I've always taken the story of the mustard seed to be a little different than what people tell me. That the story doesn't so much have to do with the size of a mustard seed, but that a mustard seed, sprouts and grows without thinking about it. Therefore we should just know that God has our best interest in mind while we walk the path of life.

But you seem to have all the answers so perhaps you could give me assistance or is the Bible the only thing you can quote from?

If so please quote from the original Bible which is not English and translate the meaning you find for yourself.... the Bible I want is the one that has not been edited to include anti- gay.

So you want us to go back to the Hebrew manuscripts and change them so that they don't mean homosexual? Because I have spoken with Jewish experts on the Torah, and they say that homosexuality being an abomination worthy of death is in there.

Thanks a bunch for your kind assistance

You don't want assistance, you want us to follow you down the path to Hell. Honestly I don't really care if you choose that path for yourself. We've done what we can by pointing out the Truth(C) to you. I just hate the fact that people like you want to drag as many with you as possible.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

.... the Bible I want is the one that has not been edited to include anti- gay.

While you are looking for that, could you keep your eyes open for one "that has not been edited to be anti-murder" please - some people would like one of those. Oh, and someone else is looking for one that is not "edited to be anti-whore and anti-adultery and anti-the-filth-of-her abomination"

Thanks.

edit I am not looking for these for myself, you understand - and in any case if you want "bibles" like that, why bother with The Bible at all? Why not just write your own? Or get a water cannon, fill it up with Nitric Acid and drive downtown .. this model would be best suited for your purposes, I think.

[hell is people]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

What an odd excuse for a human being you are.

People have had more success teaching sign language to gorillas. The gorillas certainly gave more evidence of understanding what it was that they were being taught.

Seek out the original languages of the Bible if you dare. There are no versions that accept homosexual behavior. Indeed, if there were a gorilla language edition of the Bible, the "no put boy dangle part in boy pooper part" would be very clear.


Gyno Sapienly Yours,

Handmaiden

Haha I truly hope you write a book one day because I have not stopped laughing at you and you inability to comprehend pure logic... were u also home schooled by hillbillies? haha if you think the pooper boy part if clear then you are blind and retarded.

you wouldnt know the original bible if it slapped you in the face.

wow imagine the bible in sign language I wonder if they are believers....coz you claim without belief in the bible you cant believe in god.

SHAME you people are Hitlers children and you will get what is coming and I guarantee you it wont be a happy heaven.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

..wow imagine the bible in sign language I wonder if they are believers....coz you claim without belief in the bible you cant believe in god..

[BelieverInGod]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

Uh, deaf people can read the last I checked

[handmaiden]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

Haha I truly hope you write a book one day because I have not stopped laughing at you

Hmm . . . perhaps I shall write a book someday. Such humor as it may contain might be beyond your pedestrian comprehension, however.

and you inability to comprehend pure logic...

The purity of your own "logic" is on par with that of Madonna's "purity".

were u also home schooled by hillbillies?

No, little one, I was educated at one of the Seven Sisters Colleges. And despite whatever liberal agenda was force fed to me, they were rather insistent that I should learn to spell correctly, spell out words in their entirety and generally communicate in a manner that did not give the impression that I was an ignorant lack-wit who needed to be fed while sitting in the middle of a plastic tarp.

haha if you think the pooper boy part if clear then you are blind and retarded.

Actually, I am a bit nearsighted. It is for this reason that I have the ability to focus carefully on the written word for long periods of time. Many others whom I know are not able to bring the same close scrutiny to small print for such extended intervals without being overcome by headaches.

As for your comment regarding my being afflicted with mental retardation, I can only point out again that I graduated cum laude from one of the most rigorous educational institutions in the United States.

Still, I suppose that I am misdirecting the focus of the arguments by touting my own academic achievements. The point that needs to be stressed is that there is abundant content in the Bible expressly condemning homosexual activity.

The verses have been pointed out to you and listed carefully so that you may peruse them for yourself. However, you seem to prefer employing what you delusionally refer to as "logic" in your attempt to ignore their significance.

you wouldnt know the original bible if it slapped you in the face.

Alas, the Bible in its undiluted content has indeed slapped me right in my heart. There was a time when I did not have the intestinal fortitude to confront it. I tried dancing around it so that I would not have to adjust my behaviors and thought-processes to its uncompromising stand on so many issues.

Then, unlike some individuals, I grew up.

wow imagine the bible in sign language I wonder if they are believers....coz you claim without belief in the bible you cant believe in god

Point of clarification-- I make no such claim. If you wish to cobble together some other image of a god in your own imagination, it is not my place to object. What I do argue is that one cannot claim to believe in the expressly described God of the Bible without accepting the Bible as the expression of the nature of that God.

Many different people mean many different things when they use the word "god". What irks me is when people unequivocally refer to the God of whom the Bible speaks and then turn around and ascribe thoughts and actions and intentions to that Divine Personage which are in clear contradiction to what is written in the very same scriptures from which they derive the authenticity of the existence of that concept of God.

SHAME you people are Hitlers children and you will get what is coming and I guarantee you it wont be a happy heaven.

Ah, yes, here you have used the name of Hitler as a form of shorthand rhetoric to evoke an example of an extreme form of evil. In general, the use of Hitler in such discourse is effective; however, both your reasoning and your writing overall are so weak that the attempt falls flat.

Your veiled threat that I and others like me will "get what is coming" also lacks impact given your omission of specifics.

Furthermore, your "guarantee" lacks any and all credibility. You can barely write, your reasoning ability is sophomoric at best and you fail to convey any sense of moral direction, much less any moral authority.

From what source do you claim knowledge of any sort of heaven or hell or hitherto unseen spiritual dimension?

Perhaps you have some image of Hades in mind from having watched too many "Xena" episodes?

For the time being I will table any further discussion of your shortcomings, both intellectual and spirtitual, because, frankly, if I want to shoot fish in a barrel, I would rather go out and purchase myself a shotgun and some guppies.

It might prove more of a challenge.


Ennuiely Yours,

Handmaiden

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

you say dodging I say quoting the unnaturalness of you gay argument referenced by the 1 and only source you know.

Do you wish for me to translate this english text back into its original language to see if the texts match so that we can then see how accurate the english bible is?

Well I can't do that right now. But yes what I said is on your site so what part of being gay is a sin if not that it is unnatural? i mean that is all that it is....

Are you a dope addict or something?

The Holy Bible (which is the literal word of God) says that queers are "an abomination." That's good enough for 50 billion Christians, and it should be good enough for you.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: What if god doesn't exist ?

-Do you know how I may be able to get through to God???

You see I have tried throughout my life to get answers from him but no reply....hmm even with utmost faith he still does not talk to me.

I truly doubt you have ever had the utmost faith in God, let alone any faith in Him, not even a mustard seed which ironically all it takes when ones faith is in ernest.

To have faith in God you would not be questioning Him and His existence for starters. God hates liars, so you making such claims of faith in Him will certainly do you no favours come Judgement.

Don't you find it the least bit strange that He hears and replies to MILLIONS of people daily but continues to ignore you? That is not a failing on His part. It is however a failing on yours. God can tell a cheat and liar a mile away. He KNOWS ALL remember!

I reckon you are the type of person who would depend on God to be a "quick fix" when you are in times of trouble, but would turn your back on Him the minute things look up for you. Of course you would not give Him any credit for such a wonderful turn about in your life, but instead be selfish and forget you even called out for His help in the first place.

Faith and dedication to God is not a fly by night thing. It is a lifelong commitment from both sides. God IS the best friend you will ever have, but you also have to treat Him right. For some reason though, I get the feeling you are a user and abuser type, even toward your fellow human beings. I gauge this by your comments on this forum alone. It seems if you don't get the answers you WANT (or perhaps feel you need) to get, then you turn quite rude and abusive. Unfortunately for you, the truth to you may not always be to your liking, and may well offend your sensibilities, but that is all you will get from us - THE TRUTH.

But you seem to have all the answers so perhaps you could give me assistance or is the Bible the only thing you can quote from?

I can see my Brothers and Sisters in Christ have been answering your questions, but it is you who is choosing to ignore The Truth.

If so please quote from the original Bible which is not English and translate the meaning you find for yourself.... the Bible I want is the one that has not been edited to include anti- gay.

Thanks a bunch for your kind assistance

Having studied Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and also Koine Greek at Theology College, I can assist you with this. Never at any point was there any pro gay writings in the Torah - תּוֹרָה, < meaning "the law" in English (which is the first 5 books of the Tanakh - Which is the Hebrew word for the full Bible (Bible = book). The one book in the Torah specifically dealing with the concepts of adultery, homosexuality, incest and also bestiality - ALL being an abomination to God, is the Book of Leviticus - pronounced Vayikra in Hebrew and written in the ancient Hebrew like that--> ויקרא.

When Leviticus 18:22 was quoted to you in English as per the KJV1611, it is quite an accurate translation.

In Hebrew, Leviticus 18:22 is written as this:

כב וְאֶת-זָכָר--לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.

Which translates: not to bed with a man as with a woman; it is a wrongful disgust.

You asked for meaning I read of it myself with my 21st century words in mind.

Ancient Hebrew is also a difficult language as they really have no vowels, so "words: (actually more like consonant groups) to translate have to be "sounded out" phonetically to understand their meaning. Considering the KJV1611 was translated hundreds of years ago, the scholars doing the work way back then, pretty much translated it verbatim.

I won't apologize that God's word and His intent even in the Hebrew is not what you want to believe to be true, but The Truth of God's word has not changed and will not change to suit you, homer. Deal with it. Homosexuality is wrongful and disgusting and an abomination to God. It is that plain and simple. Just as adultery, incest, bestiality et al are all abominations to God and He goes on further in Leviticus to say that ANYONE who commits ANY of these abominations will be cut off from Him.

I have no doubt you will ignore all I have written above, but hey, you asked and received and as a devout follower of Christ, I did His bidding(not yours) and genuinely helped you in your plight in His Name.

As Jesus said in Matthew 7:7

7Aske, and it shalbe giuen you: seeke, and ye shall finde: knocke, and it shalbe opened vnto you.


YIC

Phebe Carlyle.