[Bobby-Joe]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Try to keep up... We do understand physics (or at least parts of physics). We do not understand God's thoughts or plans.

So lets keep up shall we: The question is; bad things like the Japan disaster contradict the false Christian doctrine that God loves everyone. You answer is "we can't understand God's thoughts and He works threw the laws of physics"

The contradictions in you answer are

• While we can't understand God, we somehow do know He works threw physics. This will come as a surprise to Secularists.
• While God uses natural forces as His tools somehow God can't control these very same tools of His or anticipate what these tools will do in the future.

You seem to have a variation on the "can God create a rock He can't move?" question. Your case it's "can God be so ineffable even He doesn't understand what He is up to?"

[Cursed]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Try to keep up... We do understand physics (or at least parts of physics). We do not understand God's thoughts or plans.

Hello, and welcome to God's Favorite Forum!

Please, introduce yourself here in the aptly named introduction forum. Let us know what church you attend, how you came to serve the Lord Jesus Christ, and your favorite 1611 King James Bible verse; you know, the important stuff!

I'm not a Bible scholar, but even I can help you find your way to the narrow gate to Heaven. First, you have to stop being Catholic! They are filthy monsters and are all going to Hell, Praise God! After that read your 1611 King James Bible and do what it says; when in doubt, ask a True Christian Pastor what to do!

[Catholic Schmatholic]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

The contradictions in you answer are

• While we can't understand God, we somehow do know He works threw physics. This will come as a surprise to Secularists.
• While God uses natural forces as His tools somehow God can't control these very same tools of His or anticipate what these tools will do in the future.

You seem to have a variation on the "can God create a rock He can't move?" question. Your case it's "can God be so ineffable even He doesn't understand what He is up to?"

First of all, its through, not threw, and secondly you are misunderstanding me. God could affect nature if He wanted to, but he chooses not to because doing so would undermine human understanding of nature.
Also, we can't understand God's thoughts as they are, so He gave us a set of rules that we CAN understand, in order to grow closer to Him. You can think of it this way:

Exodus 33:20 (King James Version)


20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

But people looked at Jesus' face and were still alive. He made Himself more accessible.

Lastly, I find it funny that I have received an infraction. You are allowed to mock and slander my religion when I am not around (which, I remind you, is gossip), but I cannot calmly and logically debate yours with you? Don't say that you don't walk into my church and criticise me, because I wouldn't mind as long as you were civil.
Romans 1:29
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

You are allowed to mock and slander my religion when I am not around (which, I remind you, is gossip), but I cannot calmly and logically debate yours with you? Don't say that you don't walk into my church and criticise me, because I wouldn't mind as long as you were civil.

But we do NOT walk into your cult's den of iniquity and criticize you for worshiping statues.

And I suggest you learn the definition of "gossip". Speaking of Catholicism is not gossip.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

First of all, its through, not threw, and secondly you are misunderstanding me. God could affect nature if He wanted to, but he chooses not to because doing so would undermine human understanding of nature.

You know this, how? As I said before, this contradicts your initial statement that we can't understand God.

Anyway, so what? You're argument is typical Catholic weasel words trying to get away with the basic issue here; God is all knowing. God created the world. These two FACTS means God perfectly well knows that 9.0 and tsunami was going to happen in Japan and kill 18,000+ plus people. The only logical conclusion is God wanted these people killed.

Why don't you try for once in your life showing some moral courage and deal with that concept?

[Catholic Schmatholic]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

But we do NOT walk into your cult's den of iniquity and criticize you for worshiping statues.

And I suggest you learn the definition of "gossip". Speaking of Catholicism is not gossip.

Were you listening? I said that's no excuse because I wouldn't mind if you walked into my place of worship to discuss matters of faith and morality. In fact, please do! I would love to meet you face-to-face.

You can tell that I am more educated or perhaps simply kinder than you because I do not feel a need to call your church a "den of iniquity," or any other insulting name.

Gossip, by the way, is the spreading of false rumors behind the backs of those concerned. You are discussing my faith amongst yourselves, calling us evil murderers, God-haters, and all sorts of other horrible names. Maybe you should learn the definition.

[Catholic Schmatholic]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Also, do you believe in the infallibility of the Bible? And Sola Scriptura? I just want to make sure.

[MisterM]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Gossip, by the way, is the spreading of false rumors behind the backs of those concerned. You are discussing my faith amongst yourselves, calling us evil murderers, God-haters, and all sorts of other horrible names. Maybe you should learn the definition.

Truth hurts, does it? Telling the truth cannot be gossiping. Catlics had inquisition (murder), they serve Pope (hate God) etc.

Reject Catholic faith and be saved.

YIC,
Brother Miikkael

[Catholic Schmatholic]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Truth hurts, does it? Telling the truth cannot be gossiping. Catlics had inquisition (murder), they serve Pope (hate God) etc.

Reject Catholic faith and be saved.

YIC,
Brother Miikkael

You gentlemen and ladies believe in murder currently (check out the Cranky Old Man's thread about killing anybody), but the inquisition happened over 400 years ago, and although it was "in the name of God," it was run by the queen of Spain, and not by the Pope. It has since been renounced by the Magisterium as evil. So you really can't say anything about the subject of murder to me, especially because the intent of the Inquisition was to punish heretics, and that is very similar to what the Cranky Old Man suggests doing.

Catholics do not SERVE the Pope, they only revere the Pope and listen to his interpretation of scripture. They serve God, and they revere the Pope who also serves God. Catholics love God, and we love our fellow humans (unlike you guys, at times). I will concede that there is a great deal of excess in the Vatican in the way of wealth, and that much if not all of it should go to the poor. However, old systems are difficult to change. This is no excuse, but one cannot expect instant results. Other than this, (which isn't exactly evil anyway) there is nothing evil about the Pope.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

You are a typical papist. In other words, a liar.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

You can tell that I am more educated or perhaps simply kinder than you because I do not feel a need to call your church a "den of iniquity," or any other insulting name.

Or perhaps it's because Landover Baptist Church does not have the stain of decades of systematic corruption and enabling of child-rapists . . . You know, like your cult does.

Gossip, by the way, is the spreading of false rumors behind the backs of those concerned. You are discussing my faith amongst yourselves, calling us evil murderers, God-haters, and all sorts of other horrible names. Maybe you should learn the definition.

Maybe you should, friend. I'd expect someone so self-consciously educated as yourself to know how to use a dictionary:

idle talk or rumor, especially about the personal or private affairs of others: the endless gossip about Hollywood stars.

[Catholic Schmatholic]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

Or perhaps it's because Landover Baptist Church does not have the stain of decades of systematic corruption and enabling of child-rapists . . . You know, like your cult does.


Maybe you should, friend. I'd expect someone so self-consciously educated as yourself to know how to use a dictionary:

I have no defense for the fact that rape has occurred within the Catholic church. What I will say is that you have a very sadistic understanding of human nature if you believe that millions of Catholics can accept and encourage rape; we have spoken out against it countless times. As for the fact that some wierdos weasled their way into the priesthood to commmit villainous acts, all I can say is that you cannot judge an entire religion based on a few individual incidents. As for calling Catholicism a cult...

Cult http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.


By its definition, your religion is a cult too!

And about the definition of gossip, isn't that exactly what you do? Don't try to say that what you talk about is true, I am empirical proof that not all Catholics kill and rape people.

[Didymus Much]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

...I am empirical proof that not all Catholics kill and rape people.

Sure, you are. I completely accept all claims from everyone on the internets, especially those who have no clue what proof means.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: To the false christians: The Problem of Evil

I have no defense for the fact that rape has occurred within the Catholic church. What I will say is that you have a very sadistic understanding of human nature if you believe that millions of Catholics can accept and encourage rape; we have spoken out against it countless times.

. . . and yet you keep giving money to the Catholic Cult, even knowing that the sitting Pope has made a career of protecting and enabling rapists.

Sounds like you think it's just fine. I don't hear you calling for his trial for endangering the welfare of minors and being an accessory after the fact to literally THOUSANDS of rapes.

And about the definition of gossip, isn't that exactly what you do? Don't try to say that what you talk about is true, I am empirical proof that not all Catholics kill and rape people.

Nobody here said all Catholics kill and rape people. Nor has anyone here spread rumors about your personal, intimate details.

Work on that reading comprehension, Sparky.