[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Since you've never seen God, how can you say what He does or does not look like? The Bible says we are made in His image.

Yes, I'm sure your parents are disappointed that they must come down to the basement and tell you to keep both hands on the desk so frequently.

Did you do the laundry yet? Mommy's getting tired of cleaning up after you.

Tell me, what are you fantasizing about suing us for? Not telling you feel-good lies about the Bible on our own, adults-only, registration-required forum?

I can write complete, grammatically-correct, and coherent sentences and paragraphs. I guess they don't teach basic writing skills at Imaginary U. They did at the Christian orphanage where I grew up.

I say, as I have before, that Jews worship Jehovah and deny His Son's divinity. Do you deny this?

If Jesus were a Jew, that would mean that He worships Himself AND also denies His own divinity.

I think your claim that Jesus is a Jew proves that you have never studied logic and have limited reasoning ability.

If the Internet connection in your parents' basement is sufficient, I suggest you try a nice online education course in logic, and a series in basic English grammar. They'll take you far further than your PhD from Imaginary U.

Feel better? Because I know I do. Having just recieved the truth delivered from "God"'s own instrument of rectification.

WHOA! Reality Check! Who's acting childish now? I’m arguing real issues, true logic and sensibility and you throw out insults I haven’t heard since grade school? The insolence coming from you is unbearable. Thank you for the semi intelligent argument though. Enjoy heaven in all its glorified sanctity

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Im just here to make fun of you

In that case, out of True Christian(tm) charity, I shall let you choose your fate on this forum. Quarantine, banning or a change of heart. You decide.

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Honestly I can be very vulgar, its part of the American culture. we were made in the image of "God" as that we have the cognitive ability, not in a literal image of "God". If that was the case, you wouldnt be able to see us...

Since you've never seen God, how can you say what He does or does not look like? The Bible says we are made in His image.

Im also a white guy living in urban suburbia, and I have one (1) ONE Christian mother, and a Christian father, and they are both dissapointed in my choice to pay attention to how stupid the religious are. And, on the note of wanted to be saved by jesus, Im just here to make fun of you and its really fun. The screenshots and quotes of all these pedophiles and rapists and racists will really help my supreme court case against vocal baptists, so thank you for that

Yes, I'm sure your parents are disappointed that they must come down to the basement and tell you to keep both hands on the desk so frequently.

Did you do the laundry yet? Mommy's getting tired of cleaning up after you.

Tell me, what are you fantasizing about suing us for? Not telling you feel-good lies about the Bible on our own, adults-only, registration-required forum?

P.S. That childish ranting as you put it is the educated (thats when you go to school and learn from books not written by your imagination and graduate (thats pronounced GRA-JEW-ATE)) opinion and views of a lawyer and PHD in Psychology, Criminology and World Religions. What do you have to show for? NOTHING.

I can write complete, grammatically-correct, and coherent sentences and paragraphs. I guess they don't teach basic writing skills at Imaginary U. They did at the Christian orphanage where I grew up.

When I say Jesus was a jew, what do you say?

I say, as I have before, that Jews worship Jehovah and deny His Son's divinity. Do you deny this?

If Jesus were a Jew, that would mean that He worships Himself AND also denies His own divinity.

I think your claim that Jesus is a Jew proves that you have never studied logic and have limited reasoning ability.

If the Internet connection in your parents' basement is sufficient, I suggest you try a nice online education course in logic, and a series in basic English grammar. They'll take you far further than your PhD from Imaginary U.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

You're certainly a vulgar one. I'll thank you not to speak that way on this Church forum. How you speak to your "moms" in the "hood" is your business, but this is God's house!

Man was made in God's likeness. Man has hands. God has hands.

Don't you read, son?

Why would God bother to create us if He didn't care about us? Why would He create Hell to torture people like you for all eternity in, when you reject Him?

Really, now you're just being silly. All your childish ranting and cussing won't make God go away, and it won't scare us off, either. We just want you to come to Jesus; the fact that you're sitting on our Church forum indicates that you want to, as well!

Honestly I can be very vulgar, its part of the American culture. we were made in the image of "God" as that we have the cognitive ability, not in a literal image of "God". If that was the case, you wouldnt be able to see us...

Im also a white guy living in urban suburbia, and I have one (1) ONE Christian mother, and a Christian father, and they are both dissapointed in my choice to pay attention to how stupid the religious are. And, on the note of wanted to be saved by jesus, Im just here to make fun of you and its really fun. The screenshots and quotes of all these pedophiles and rapists and racists will really help my supreme court case against vocal baptists, so thank you for that

P.S. That childish ranting as you put it is the educated (thats when you go to school and learn from books not written by your imagination and graduate (thats pronounced GRA-JEW-ATE)) opinion and views of a lawyer and PHD in Psychology, Criminology and World Religions. What do you have to show for? NOTHING. When I say Jesus was a jew, what do you say?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

As I said, what if an unbeliver does incredibly good things, like saving one of you from falling off a cliff? Would he still go to hell?

Tne very definition of "Good" is to go what God wants, becaue God is good.

The very defintion of "Evil" is to fail to do what God wants, for whatever reason.

Thus if an unbeleiver saves me from falling (which by the way, is intervening with Gods will, and is no different from cloning or stem-cell murder or homosexuality or abortion) that does not make you "good" because the definition of "good" is to be a believer and the definiton of "evil" is to be an unbeliever.

Believe and you get heaven. Fail to believe and Jesus will send you to be tortured forever.

John 3:16. It's not the most popular Bible verse for nothing.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Mam, I never spoke of not dying. We all die.

I never said hell does not exist, I said it is not absolutely true that it does. It is a belief that it does. Until the Messiah comes to judge the living and the dead, Christianity is a belief. Not a fact.

I used death by falling as a comparison to help point out that no matter what you belief, reality is still the truth.
Speaking of reality, the Jesus already came to Earth once and performed many miracles, including His resurrection after the crucifixion. That is a fact, thus Christianity isn't a belief, it's the objective truth.

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

So riddle me this "Jenny D*****" in what *** backwards reality do you live where your "God" has hands and cares enough about your sorry *** to write a book? Authors are depressive creeps! Not GODS!

You're certainly a vulgar one. I'll thank you not to speak that way on this Church forum. How you speak to your "moms" in the "hood" is your business, but this is God's house!

Man was made in God's likeness. Man has hands. God has hands.

Don't you read, son?

Why would God bother to create us if He didn't care about us? Why would He create Hell to torture people like you for all eternity in, when you reject Him?

Really, now you're just being silly. All your childish ranting and cussing won't make God go away, and it won't scare us off, either. We just want you to come to Jesus; the fact that you're sitting on our Church forum indicates that you want to, as well!

[Transmission]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I don't step off a cliff because I know I will plummet to my death if I do so. As much as you wish it were so, we don't live in an Elmer Fudd world where you won't fall if you don't believe you're standing on thin air. You will fall, you will die.
Eternal damnation is like that. Not wanting it to exist doesn't make the fires scorching your soul because you rejected Jesus any less real.

Mam, I never spoke of not dying. We all die.

I never said hell does not exist, I said it is not absolutely true that it does. It is a belief that it does. Until the Messiah comes to judge the living and the dead, Christianity is a belief. Not a fact.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Please explain to us upon what you base your belief that ignoring God's Word (and, in fact, acting in direct opposition to His commandments) will get this person a one-way ticket to Heaven.

Your own imagination or your human concepts of "fair play" are not relevant, only God's Will is.

So riddle me this "Jenny *obscenity deleted*" in what *obscenity deleted* backwards reality do you live where your "God" has hands and cares enough about your sorry *obscenity deleted* to write a book? Authors are depressive creeps! Not GODS!

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

This is why it is nearly impossible to speak. You cannot think outside of your belief. You have made my point clear. You are afraid to think outside of belief because you believe you will go to hell if you do so. That is exactly why our world was doomed from the start. Our minds are easily persuaded by promises of happiness and eternity.

I don't step off a cliff because I know I will plummet to my death if I do so. As much as you wish it were so, we don't live in an Elmer Fudd world where you won't fall if you don't believe you're standing on thin air. You will fall, you will die.
Eternal damnation is like that. Not wanting it to exist doesn't make the fires scorching your soul because you rejected Jesus any less real.

[Transmission]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

This is why it is nearly impossible to speak. You cannot think outside of your belief. You have made my point clear. You are afraid to think outside of belief because you believe you will go to hell if you do so. That is exactly why our world was doomed from the start. Our minds are easily persuaded by promises of happiness and eternity.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Maybe we forget that in order to guarantee our children and future generations a place to live, we should work together... we could work to make this world a far safer and better place for our future to grow; together.

After editing out all the blasphemy, we're left with this bit of nonsense. "Future generations"? "For our future to grow"? We're in End Times, my friend! If you're lucky, there might be time enough for one more generation, maybe even two if the children start breeding at puberty, but I doubt there is even that much time left!

http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php

http://duncanlong.com/science-fiction-fantasy-short-stories/olympics.html

http://www.raptureready.com/

The list of references go on and on! You need to get yourself right with the Lord and repent before it's too late, because once you're standing at Judgement, there will be no saying you're sorry! There will be no slaps on the wrist! THERE WILL BE NO PLEA BARGAINING! If you haven't been saved through the Blood of Christ, you will be facing eternal damnation!
Drop to your knees and pray like there's no tomorrow, because there just may not be!

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

What I don't understand is the perception of extreme believers. It is very interesting in fact as to why people of other belief are in such denial when it comes to truth and reality.

Trans, I agree. I do find it interesting that people deny Jesus when the Bible is right in front of them. Have you any idea why they would do such a thing?

Lets this be a warning for all proceeding to read that I in no way am denying the possibility of God.

It is fact that no religion is more valid than the other.

Well, outside of Christianity, no, no religion is more valid than the other. Each and every one of those other religions will equally land you in eternal Hellfire. Read the Bible and you will see.

You tell a Muslim they are no different than a Christian, they get angry.
You tell a Christian they are no different than a Muslim, they get angry.
Anger is for those that cannot handle reality.

I'd never tell a Muslim that he is no different than a Christian. Muslims worship their moon-demon and are bound for eternal torture in Hell.

Reality is, all religions are beliefs. Some are so into their belief they swear by it being more valid than the other, believing every aspect of which they live their lives in belief, is true. What many of these people do not know is that we were all born free-thinking, without religious belief. Once this person challenges their belief they ultimately start to question whether it is right to even question their belief at first. They get scared, thinking a demon has possessed them to think differently, to think freely without restraint.

Actually, we were all born with sin, and with Satan whispering in our ears to lead us astray. Read your Bible, and you will see that it is so.

The question is, if the Messiah hasn't come to judge the living and the dead, than how is it fact? The answer is, there is no truth, at least not now. Until the Messiah has come, every single aspect of Christianity is belief. Some swear by it, some not so much, some don't believe at all. Everyone is equally entitled to believe in their own religion. No religion in any way has a more valid system than the other. A book may be written by anyone. Unless you were really there during the writing of the Bible or the Koran then you really have no say as far as validity of text is concerned.

Absolutely, everyone is entitled to believe in whatever she likes. You may worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you so desire, and that is your right.

It is then your responsibility to bear the consequences for your choice. That is, eternal torture for rejecting God and His Love.

Let me give an example to the mentality of an extreme believer. Say someone on this forum registers a user name such as "Pastor Bob" and spends weeks, even months making others believe that he himself is a true believer. He goes about making friends, preaching, copy/pasting excerpts from the Bible and then makes a thread saying that his mass amount of belief has granted him the ability to speak to God; that God came to him in his consciousness and spoke to him of marvelous events. What these friends of Pastor Bob do not know is that the Pastor has actually lied about all of these occurrences. Lied about his belief, lied about his favorite Bible readings and lied about the events that took place after. Yet they truly believed him. Giving him praises, blessings and all of those positive things.

What's your point with the hypothetical nonsense? This is God's Favorite Forum, and we are God's People. We are not duped by such nonsense.

[Transmission]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

What I don't understand is the perception of extreme believers. It is very interesting in fact as to why people of other belief are in such denial when it comes to truth and reality.

Lets this be a warning for all proceeding to read that I in no way am denying the possibility of God.

It is fact that no religion is more valid than the other. This includes comparing belief of the Bible, or the belief of the Koran, or belief of I Ching. Belief is belief, without a doubt there has been no ultimate proof stating that one religion is true and the other is not. Therefore those that impose upon others the belief that Christianity is superior to Islam or Buddhism or whatever it be are simply in denial of the truth. Either in denial or so far into belief they have abandoned mans ability to think and analyze equally.

You tell a Muslim they are no different than a Christian, they get angry.
You tell a Christian they are no different than a Muslim, they get angry.
Anger is for those that cannot handle reality.

Reality is, all religions are beliefs. Some are so into their belief they swear by it being more valid than the other, believing every aspect of which they live their lives in belief, is true. What many of these people do not know is that we were all born free-thinking, without religious belief. Once this person challenges their belief they ultimately start to question whether it is right to even question their belief at first. They get scared, thinking a demon has possessed them to think differently, to think freely without restraint.

The question is, if the Messiah hasn't come to judge the living and the dead, than how is it fact? The answer is, there is no truth, at least not now. Until the Messiah has come, every single aspect of Christianity is belief. Some swear by it, some not so much, some don't believe at all. Everyone is equally entitled to believe in their own religion. No religion in any way has a more valid system than the other. A book may be written by anyone. Unless you were really there during the writing of the Bible or the Koran then you really have no say as far as validity of text is concerned.

Let me give an example to the mentality of an extreme believer. Say someone on this forum registers a user name such as "Pastor Bob" and spends weeks, even months making others believe that he himself is a true believer. He goes about making friends, preaching, copy/pasting excerpts from the Bible and then makes a thread saying that his mass amount of belief has granted him the ability to speak to God; that God came to him in his consciousness and spoke to him of marvelous events. What these friends of Pastor Bob do not know is that the Pastor has actually lied about all of these occurrences. Lied about his belief, lied about his favorite Bible readings and lied about the events that took place after. Yet they truly believed him. Giving him praises, blessings and all of those positive things.

In conclusion what is the truth? We don't know what the truth is; until we do, our mentality of religion is a belief. Making one religion no greater or better than the other. Because in reality, we're still human. That is all that we know for sure. We are human and our beliefs should NOT be imposed upon anyone, nor should anyone be judged by another who has lived their life based upon belief. That is one of the biggest evils a living thing could do upon another, denying one due to belief. I'm sure we all know that our world is not a peaceful place in any aspect.

There are so many beliefs in the world that it is actually frightening to travel and meet people of all different cultures. Everyone speaks so highly of peace, yet never begin to realizes that maybe it is our own mentality and denial that has brought upon such madness. Maybe we forget that in order to guarantee our children and future generations a place to live, we should work together. Be it with believers, none believers, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists (Whether I left a religion out, I apologize), and instead of quarreling over such ridiculous matters as video games or cartoons and which religion is right or wrong, we could work to make this world a far safer and better place for our future to grow; together.

Just a thought to think about.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

To be a true Christian isn't to follow the Bible literally word for word.

Do you have any scriptural basis for this wild-eyed theory of yours? I've read the entire Bible, or so I thought. I seem to have missed where it says to pick and choose what parts to follow.

James 2:24

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

I know you're distracted by visions of altarboys having pillow fights, but what part of "...not by faith only" implies to you that faith isn't required at all for salvation? Without ignoring the word "only", of course.