[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

I don't consider myself a bad person at heart, though I haven't really been 'saved'.

Aside from the name calling and impulse judgements, what do y'all really think makes Gerard such a terrible person?

Everyone is bad at heart from the moment of conception. Ultimately, that's how we know everyone who isn't a True Christian(tm) is a terrible person, be they a rock singer, street sweeper, serial killer, doctor, nurse, pedophile, philanthropist or whatever. Without God, whatever you do, even if it's your best, isn't good enough.

Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Eccl 9:3b Yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Sin is not just about doing bad but being bad. As the verses above show, people are inherently, innately and unchangeably evil. That is not to say that everyone is as bad as they possibly could be. God has the wicked muzzled and on a leash. If He didn't, if He let people have their way, chaos would ensue.

Ps 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

You don't always have to say things with such hate!

I believe I have spoken the truth in love (Eph 4:15), although there's no nice way of telling someone they're a sinner deserving of eternal torment.

The Good News(tm) is that God has provided a solution to the problem of being a sinner deserving of eternal hellfire. He sent His Son Jesus as a human sacrifice to be tortured and temporarily killed for people's sins. If you believe in Him (Jn 3:16) and keep His commandments (Mat 19:17), your sins will be forgiven and you will inherit eternal life. So are you ready to give your life to God?

And also, please formally introduce yourself here.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Hello all,

My name is Grace (just thought it would be nice to say, so maybe I won't feel so much like a stranger) and I stumbled on this thread by accident earlier last night via a google search of something or another, not sure what. I found myself reading it almost all the way through, and after that, felt like it would be interesting for me to briefly make an account here so that I could join the discussion a little bit. I'm fairly young still and have not yet discovered all there is to know about God and religion, so I hope that doesn't make it hard for me to say what I want to say here.

My username on the forum is love & curiosity because honestly, that is all I have in my heart when I'm joining in this discussion. I am open-minded and am willing to be taught things and be respectful of your beliefs, just so long as you are at least somewhat respectful of mine. I understand that by saying things to people sometimes you are only trying to do what you believe to be right for them and helping, and I think that should not go ignored even though some people just don't appreciate.

That being said, I am a fan of Gerard Way and he's what I would consider to be a role model, from my perspective as someone who knows a lot about his music and art and life views.

I sincerely hope that this will not ruin the tolerant message I have for the rest of this post.

But the point here is, that I'm hoping to maybe defend my viewpoint a little but at the same time I would like to extend my knowledge of the Christian beliefs that you all hold. So any questions I ask aren't meant to be offensive at all, I just would like to know what you take to be fact and if I am wrong on things, I am sure you can correct me.

I don't consider myself a bad person at heart, though I haven't really been 'saved'. So I am open to hear what you have to say that is reasonable.

Aside from the name calling and impulse judgements, what do y'all really think makes Gerard such a terrible person? I hope you have reasons other than what were stated in the OP, because I just think people can be taken much more seriously if they explain their point of view rationally. You don't always have to say things with such hate! From what I see, you would like all the non-believers who come onto this forum to be saved. So that means you must be good people, for wanting that for someone you disagree with and maybe think is evil. So I know you can say things the way you mean them and they way that is easy to understand, without slander and misunderstandings.

I'm actually looking forward to hearing what you have to say, and hopefully not being completely shot down in my opinion. Ultimately, I can't change your beliefs on who is and isn't a good person, but maybe I can give you a different view (even if you don't agree) and you can give me one (even if I don't agree).

Greetings, young lady.

They thing with the Way boy is that he turns people from Jesus. The Bible tells us never to worship false idols.

How many people have been unable to accept Jesus' temporary sacrifice and have a chance of Salvation® because they have been worship at the teen American idols of the pop music or the raps?

If someone where to die listening to this kind of music where do you think their soul would go?

That's right: the Lake of Fire.

As decent True Christians™, credit checked and bathed in the blood of the Lamb it is our duty to spread the message of Salvation®; even if this means ruffling and few feathers. Every person Saved© from worshipping false idols like the Way boy is another soul singing for eternity at Jesus' right hand.

God bless.

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Everyone is bad at heart from the moment of conception. Ultimately, that's how we know everyone who isn't a True Christian™ is a terrible person, be they a rock singer, street sweeper, serial killer, doctor, nurse, pedophile, philanthropist or whatever. Without God, whatever you do, even if it's your best, isn't good enough.

Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Eccl 9:3b Yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Sin is not just about doing bad but being bad. As the verses above show, people are inherently, innately and unchangeably evil. That is not to say that everyone is as bad as they possibly could be. God has the wicked muzzled and on a leash. If He didn't, if He let people have their way, chaos would ensue.

Ps 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.



I believe I have spoken the truth in love (Eph 4:15), although there's no nice way of telling someone they're a sinner deserving of eternal torment.

The Good News™ is that God has provided a solution to the problem of being a sinner deserving of eternal hellfire. He sent His Son Jesus as a human sacrifice to be tortured and temporarily killed for people's sins. If you believe in Him (Jn 3:16) and keep His commandments (Mat 19:17), your sins will be forgiven and you will inherit eternal life. So are you ready to give your life to God?

And also, please formally introduce yourself here.

I understand that in your belief system no one is good enough without giving themselves to God, but I'm just inclined to thinking that maybe people AREN'T that terrible when they're born. My family was never extremely religious, but from what I understand God wants to love you -- so why would He create people as inherently evil? Just to clarify, are you saying that someone could be the most generous and kind person in the world yet would still deserve the same fate as a mass murderer just because they had not accepted God into their life? There's no consideration at all for the person and their deeds, in your mind, only for what you believe? And if this is the case, then why would you feel the need to pick on Gee and call him things like satanic and psychotic? (I'm not going to deny that he's a weirdo and a crossdresser, so at least you have that). Because he honestly isn't satanic and he doesn't use any satanic imagery that I have seen. Sure, maybe he isn't saved and maybe he's going to burn in Hell. But that doesn't make him worse than anyone else that doesn't believe. What I'm saying is, what makes Gee and the rest of MCR worthy of being in this thread as being part of a 'cult' when all they are is a music group who don't conform to your beliefs? And another thing really quickly -- this isn't meant to be at all upsetting, so I"m sorry if it is, but I'm just a bit confused -- if everyone sins, which from my perspective they certainly do, what makes it so horrible? I mean, I know it's bad, but it's also part of nature. If everyone sins, you hardly have a choice about it. And people are shamed about things that they don't really choose by people who consider themselves free of things like this.

I will definitely go and introduce myself, thank you for pointing out the thread to me

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Greetings, young lady.

They thing with the Way boy is that he turns people from Jesus. The Bible tells us never to worship false idols.

How many people have been unable to accept Jesus' temporary sacrifice and have a chance of Salvation® because they have been worship at the teen American idols of the pop music or the raps?

If someone where to die listening to this kind of music where do you think their soul would go?

That's right: the Lake of Fire.

As decent True Christians™, credit checked and bathed in the blood of the Lamb it is our duty to spread the message of Salvation®; even if this means ruffling and few feathers. Every person Saved© from worshipping false idols like the Way boy is another soul singing for eternity at Jesus' right hand.

God bless.

Thank you for a respectful reply! c:

I just want to set the record straight, that many people really respect Gerard and his work, but that doesn't necessarily mean all of them worship him as a false idol. He is worth looking up to, but he's no God in the eyes of people who believe in God. There are no doubt people who feel this way about him and people who engage in the Emo subculture wholeheartedly, purely for the fashion of it and for no other reason. These are the people who I feel are misled, not Gee or his brother Mikey or bandmates Ray and Frank. All that the band does is use their creativity to sing about things that have helped them, and they hope to help other people. I don't think that makes them bad, not in that way. So like I said, the people who are taking his music too far and even people who harm themselves (definitely NOT because of him, because these things are not his fault) are the ones who deserve their fate, no?

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Everyone is bad at heart from the moment of conception.

Why is this? :/

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

I'm just inclined to thinking that maybe people AREN'T that terrible when they're born.

Don't think; believe the Bible.

My family was never extremely religious, but from what I understand God wants to love you -- so why would He create people as inherently evil?

God hates lots of people even before they're born.

Rom 9:11-13
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Just to clarify, are you saying that someone could be the most generous and kind person in the world yet would still deserve the same fate as a mass murderer just because they had not accepted God into their life?

Yes. And the opposite also holds true. You could be the vilest criminal, like Jeffrey Dahmer, yet if you repent, God will grant you eternal life. Unless you've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, of course (Mat 12:31). As any right-minded person can see, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is far more heinous than rape and murder.

There's no consideration at all for the person and their deeds, in your mind, only for what you believe?

People will be judged by their deeds (Rev 20:13). It's just that if you don't have Jesus your deeds are evil, and even if you think you've done "good deeds", they're not good enough.

And if this is the case, then why would you feel the need to pick on Gee and call him things like satanic and psychotic? (I'm not going to deny that he's a weirdo and a crossdresser, so at least you have that).

God hates cross-dressers.

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Sure, maybe he isn't saved and maybe he's going to burn in Hell. But that doesn't make him worse than anyone else that doesn't believe.

The flip side of that would be that everyone else is as bad as him.

And another thing really quickly -- this isn't meant to be at all upsetting, so I"m sorry if it is, but I'm just a bit confused -- if everyone sins, which from my perspective they certainly do, what makes it so horrible? I mean, I know it's bad, but it's also part of nature. If everyone sins, you hardly have a choice about it. And people are shamed about things that they don't really choose by people who consider themselves free of things like this.

No one said sin was unnatural. Being born the object of God's wrath is perfectly natural. It's the default position. Ultimately, sinners don't have a choice about it, yet God is completely without fault in all this.

Rom 9:19-21
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

We are all but clay in His hands and He can mould us however He wills.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Why is this? :/

(Psalms 51:5) "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. "

Did you make a thread of your own in the Introduction Forum Like you were asked?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Don't think; believe the Bible.



God hates lots of people even before they're born.

Rom 9:11-13
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



Yes. And the opposite also holds true. You could be the vilest criminal, like Jeffrey Dahmer, yet if you repent, God will grant you eternal life. Unless you've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, of course (Mat 12:31).



People will be judged by their deeds (Rev 20:13). It's just that if you don't have Jesus your deeds are evil, and even if you think you've done "good deeds", they're not good enough.



God hates cross-dressers.

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.



The flip side of that would be that everyone else is as bad as him.



No one said sin was unnatural. Being born the object of God's wrath is perfectly natural. It's the default position. Ultimately, sinners don't have a choice about it, yet God is completely without fault in all this.

Rom 9:19-21
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

We are all but clay in His hands and He can mould us however He wills.

Well, I've figured that in order to decide to completely give up my opinions in favor of the bible, it's probably best that I read it and interpret it for myself first. I haven't had an opportunity to do so yet, which just means the sooner the better.

If he hates them before they're born, is that because of a reason? Can people whom God hates even then be saved, ultimately?

Well that's nice to hear, I guess. In a way. At least everyone gets equal opportunity, seems fair enough.

I don't think "evil" is the same as "not good enough". If you don't have Jesus then your deeds aren't good enough within the religion, but I doubt that makes the deeds themselves evil.

Well, I'll give you that. You at least backed it up, and so he's maybe not a perfect role model given that. But he's still not worthy of calling out specifically in my opinion. Personally I don't mind the cross-dressing, and what's lovely is that supposedly he can still repent, and when/if he were to, it wouldn't matter at all what you think of his cross-dressing now because in God's eyes he would be worthy then, right? c:

So then they're equal. Again, that doesn't show anything that would explain why Gee is the target of some of the hate comments I've seen on this thread.

If God created people this way, what makes him "without fault"?

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

(Psalms 51:5) "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. "

Did you make a thread of your own in the Introduction Forum Like you were asked?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Ah, okay. So if I'm interpreting that line the way I'm sure you are, that makes sense, thanks.

And yes I have

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Well, I've figured that in order to decide to completely give up my opinions in favor of the bible, it's probably best that I read it and interpret it for myself first.

That's a good idea. You do that.

If he hates them before they're born, is that because of a reason?

God's will is inscrutable.

Rom 9:15-16 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Well that's nice to hear, I guess. In a way. At least everyone gets equal opportunity, seems fair enough.

All sinners are on an equal footing, all an abomination to God.

If God created people this way, what makes him "without fault"?

The fact that the Bible says so. Here's the passage again:

Rom 9:19-21
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Do you get it now?

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

That's a good idea. You do that.



God's will is inscrutable.

Rom 9:15-16 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.



All sinners are on an equal footing, all an abomination to God.



The fact that the Bible says so. Here's the passage again:

Rom 9:19-21
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Do you get it now?

I will. (:

Sure, but if God wants us to be close to Him, then why wouldn't I think about it as all of them having an equal chance at redemption? It means the same thing, only one is negative and the other one hopeful. God is very hopeful, so I like thinking about it this way.

Yes, I understand now.


But you didn't answer the things I had to say about Gerard, which were the main point of the thread and why I initially posted

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

even people who harm themselves (definitely NOT because of him, because these things are not his fault) are the ones who deserve their fate, no?

Very astute. People who do cut themselves do deserve Hell.

Leviticus 19:28

You sound like a very intelligent young woman.

God bless

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

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Very astute. People who do cut themselves do deserve Hell.

Leviticus 19:28

You sound like a very intelligent young woman.

God bless

Ah, it's good to know I got something right. I've known people who cut themselves before, and no matter what they believe or what I believe it just plain isn't right.

Thank you! xxx

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Gerard Way - Cross-Dressing Vampire-Weirdo Psycho-Satanist Nutbag!

Ah, it's good to know I got something right. I've known people who cut themselves before, and no matter what they believe or what I believe it just plain isn't right.

Thank you! xxx

What is it about you Christians that makes you blame the victim? People who deliberatly self harm need psychological support and therapy: not condemnation.

You people make me sick.

[love&curiosity Waiting for Email Confirmation]

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What is it about you Christians that makes you blame the victim? People who deliberatly self harm need psychological support and therapy: not condemnation.

You people make me sick.

Oh, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Completely. I don't blame these people. Some of my best friends self harm and I've been working very hard to help them overcome it. I'm not actually a Christian, and I only am on this thread to discuss religious differences and differences in beliefs.

The point in the reply there that you quoted was that I honestly believe self-harm is the wrong thing to do and it isn't the answer. It's a bummer and really hard to get out of. That doesn't mean I blame people for turning to it. In fact, I'm here on this thread defending Gerard Way for similar reasons.

And the point of the "glad I could finally get something right" is that I was trying to understand a belief system. I respect people's right to believe what they want, and figured no harm could come from learning about the religion.

I'm on your side with this one and am sorry if I've offended!