[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I may be new, but please, hear me out.
In our world of sin, there are always those who choose the wide path over the narrow one. And although we implore them to accept the gift that our Creator offers, there will inevitably be those that refuse. I see a lot of trolling and bashing here, and though I agree that there is only one way to Salvation, do we truly need such words of hate? "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" goes the old saying, and I think we should try to reason with love and concern, even tears, rather than hate. Can we not all sit down at the metaphorical table and begin with similarities rather than differences? Say, starting with the fact that ALL of us have sinned and FALLEN SHORT of the glory of God, not just the unbelivers? NONE of us deserve so much as a thought from our Creator, yet He in his mercy chose to sacrifice His only Son to save our wretched little selves. Can we not focus on that? Can we not have peace? Please?

You are an excellent example of why we don't pay attention to the ravings of unsaved trash. Your Biblical knowledge is just sketchy enough to be dangerous, and rather than actually read God's Holy Word, you cherry pick a few half-remembered verses and then spin them into a glop that NEVER eminated from God's mighty lips.

God doesn't love everybody:

Proverbs 6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...

Matthew 13
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Romans 5:6-8 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

This is merely a statement of, "Accept Christ and be Saved™" It says nothing about sinners other than that they should repent.

Luke 19:10

, "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Those who are lost must first accept Jesus before gaining any after-sales benefits.

1st John 3:16a, "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because He laid down his life for us."

Preaching to the converted.

2nd peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Basically, you can repent at any time before your death, but you must repent earnestly.

Ezekiel 33:11, "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

Quite right! He has no pleasure in condemning sinners to the Eternal Pits of Brimstone to be savagely abused by demented devils, but He does it nevertheless.

Overall, your imaginative use of fonts is a failure, lending your pointless choice of verses no extra credibility.

I can only assume you've never seen a picture of a Bible, let alone held one in your grubby hands.

[wanderingspectator]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Romans 5:6-8 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Luke 19:10, "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."
1st John 3:16a, "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because He laid down his life for us."

2nd peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Ezekiel 33:11, "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

[BillSattler]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

"Hate the sin, but love the sinner"

Do you have any scripture to back that up?

KJC1611 Scripture states to Abhor the sinner.

"Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man." PSALMS 5:6 KJV1611

[wanderingspectator]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

To Sister Mary Maria:
If I may humbly say it, apologies for, apparently, "whining like a hippy" on your forum. I perhaps have gained a new understanding as to what interpretation Landover takes of the Word of God. I would, however, ask for clarification as to specifically what led the administration to label my post as "whining" or "like a hippy." I mearly present my opinion to the viewers of this thread, and ask only for, as your site says, "rational discussion" with "reasonable people" (from "'Noobs' please read this before posting." thread from The Landover Baptist Church Forums), and am unaware of what rule I may have broken. If you, or anyone, think I need reforming of my beliefs, please send me a message to inform me of how to do so, as I seem to be unable to see any scriptural basis for labeling my post an infraction on grounds of "whining like a hippy". Thank you.

[wanderingspectator]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I may be new, but please, hear me out.
In our world of sin, there are always those who choose the wide path over the narrow one. And although we implore them to accept the gift that our Creator offers, there will inevitably be those that refuse. I see a lot of trolling and bashing here, and though I agree that there is only one way to Salvation, do we truly need such words of hate? "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" goes the old saying, and I think we should try to reason with love and concern, even tears, rather than hate. Can we not all sit down at the metaphorical table and begin with similarities rather than differences? Say, starting with the fact that ALL of us have sinned and FALLEN SHORT of the glory of God, not just the unbelivers? NONE of us deserve so much as a thought from our Creator, yet He in his mercy chose to sacrifice His only Son to save our wretched little selves. Can we not focus on that? Can we not have peace? Please?

[Sylvester]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I'd like to start of by saying that you linked to Wikipedia, where anyone can claim a "fact."

That's true, but that's not the original place I heard this fact. I actually acquired the knowledge from "The God Delusion", and Richard Dawkins, right or wrong, does his research!

Also, 200 times? Really? You must be including those books written after the apostolic age, the ones heretics wrote to secure their vile, vain place in history.

Whomever wrote them, the Catholics have kept them, so they must hold value. No one can deny that the Bible isn't a complete works. It is missing information. There's nothing really wrong with that, but I for one don't like censorship.

You can argue all you want, but God knows His own, and, come judgement, you will regret these words.

No, I won't. Just as you truly believe that you know beyond all doubt that what you think is true, I believe so, also. Judgement Day is not a day before a greater being where it is decided if one would go to heaven or hell. Judgement Day is more real than that. Oh, I definitely believe that Judgement Day is real. It is the day when no person can decide their fate and all must unite to save our existence from ourselves.

Comment all you want, but all you're doing is forsaking your responsibility to others with selfish desperation for yourself. That's not salvation, that's arrogant ignorant cowardice!

[Robert Hutchins]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Yes, 76%. You are a dying breed, it seems.

For information on your bible, see here. Strange that you should follow a bible written by a made up Christian denomination that existed only so that King Henry VIII could get divorced.

As for 200 times the amount of text, absolutely. The Catholics own a library that is extremely vast. Much of the texts are from varying periods throughout the Christian history but have not been included for reasons known only to them. I do take back my comment about the bible being compiled by Catholics as that's not a fully true statement. Fact is, the bible has been slowly compiled by numerous groups over a couple of thousand years (about c220 to around 500 years ago). The Catholics played a huge part in the shaping of the bible in the latter days (including removing texts) and, yes, they do now possess most of the texts pertaining to Christian history.

As for forcing my unsaved opinion, I am not. I wouldn't force any opinion. You're all free to live your lives as you see fit. I was merely aiming to open minds. Any Christian choosing to close themselves off from further knowledge is a poor Christian indeed, for their choices are not educated. If you choose to be Christian and tell everyone they're wrong, at least have the knowledge to back it up. Saying "I know it's true because God tells me so" just doesn't cut it.

I'd like to start of by saying that you linked to Wikipedia, where anyone can claim a "fact."

Also, 200 times? Really? You must be including those books written after the apostolic age, the ones heretics wrote to secure their vile, vain place in history.

You can argue all you want, but God knows His own, and, come judgement, you will regret these words.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Said he. I once had a Godly inspiration, but not being a King, I was considered a heathen! ;-)

King James modified the Bible to make it more accurate, that's true. It is considered by many a scholar to be more accurate a translation than previous publishings. However, it was also "oriented" toward the Church of England, which was falsely started by King Henry VIII. This is not only apparent, but documented.

I'm just as guilty as you are of this, but this is a discussion about Wicca not catlicks.

We have you posting about catlicks in a thread about wicca.

And we have someone posting about wicca in a thread about catlicks.

Could you two possibly switch places?

[Sylvester]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

King James received Godly inspiration to write the correct version of God's Word. It really doesn't matter what the Hebrew, Greek, or papists said. KJV1611 is Perfect.

Said he. I once had a Godly inspiration, but not being a King, I was considered a heathen! ;-)

King James modified the Bible to make it more accurate, that's true. It is considered by many a scholar to be more accurate a translation than previous publishings. However, it was also "oriented" toward the Church of England, which was falsely started by King Henry VIII. This is not only apparent, but documented.

[Sylvester]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

You're calling us stubborn and close minded and attempting to engage us in debate, but no you aren't trying to force your unsaved opinions on us.

I'd never ask you to change faith, merely to be prepared for the day that some things you consider truth to be questionable, whatever those things might be. It is the only true way to salvation. God would have given you free will to think for yourself, not to be a complete clone of your brethren. That is all I am trying to do. If you want to be a Christian, be the best Christian you can be, but know that to do so is to reason for yourself, not allow others to do it for you. You'll see that denominations mean little, then, for every follower would be a denomination unto themselves, and all would see that just believing is enough.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Yes, 76%. You are a dying breed, it seems.

For information on your bible, see here.

86% is a dying breed? I can see you must have been a member of the Princeton debate team.
Fewer people identify with a specific denomination.

Strange that you should follow a bible written by a made up Christian denomination that existed only so that King Henry VIII could get divorced.

It was part of a larger movement of extremely brave men who risked life and limb to get the Truth out to people in the face of the Inquisition.

It was the Catholic pope Innocent III who banned "unauthorized" versions (see Bibles translated into vernacular) of the Bible. The catlicks had been terrified for years the commoners might learn to read for themselves and realize that Rome is the whore of Babylon.

As for 200 times the amount of text, absolutely. The Catholics own a library that is extremely vast. Much of the texts are from varying periods throughout the Christian history but have not been included for reasons known only to them. I do take back my comment about the bible being compiled by Catholics as that's not a fully true statement. Fact is, the bible has been slowly compiled by numerous groups over a couple of thousand years (about c220 to around 500 years ago). The Catholics played a huge part in the shaping of the bible in the latter days (including removing texts) and, yes, they do now possess most of the texts pertaining to Christian history.

Yes, yes the catlicks have some very interesting works of fiction like ignatius, clement, polycarp and etc., that they wrote 300 years after they claimed they were penned to prove that they were right all along.

Let me ask you one question. Do even the catlicks consider those books to be Scripture?

As for forcing my unsaved opinion, I am not. I wouldn't force any opinion. You're all free to live your lives as you see fit.

You're calling us stubborn and close minded and attempting to engage us in debate, but no you aren't trying to force your unsaved opinions on us.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

[...] For information on your bible, see here. Strange that you should follow a bible written by a made up Christian denomination that existed only so that King Henry VIII could get divorced.[...]

I'l leave others to correct the rest of your incense-induced ramblings but I cannot for the life of me see the connection between Henry VIII and James I (&VI). Henry was long dead in 1611.

King James received Godly inspiration to write the correct version of God's Word. It really doesn't matter what the Hebrew, Greek, or papists said. KJV1611 is Perfect.

Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.”

[Sylvester]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Yes, 76%. You are a dying breed, it seems.

For information on your bible, see here. Strange that you should follow a bible written by a made up Christian denomination that existed only so that King Henry VIII could get divorced.

As for 200 times the amount of text, absolutely. The Catholics own a library that is extremely vast. Much of the texts are from varying periods throughout the Christian history but have not been included for reasons known only to them. I do take back my comment about the bible being compiled by Catholics as that's not a fully true statement. Fact is, the bible has been slowly compiled by numerous groups over a couple of thousand years (about c220 to around 500 years ago). The Catholics played a huge part in the shaping of the bible in the latter days (including removing texts) and, yes, they do now possess most of the texts pertaining to Christian history.

As for forcing my unsaved opinion, I am not. I wouldn't force any opinion. You're all free to live your lives as you see fit. I was merely aiming to open minds. Any Christian choosing to close themselves off from further knowledge is a poor Christian indeed, for their choices are not educated. If you choose to be Christian and tell everyone they're wrong, at least have the knowledge to back it up. Saying "I know it's true because God tells me so" just doesn't cut it.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

How can one Christian church say they are the true church and all other Christians are going to hell?

Quite simply because they going to hell.

Matthew 7:13 warns us
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:15 tells us to
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Not many will make it into Heaven.

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

You follow Gods written word in the form of the Bible? Did God get out his typewriter and write it himself?

He might as well have. Every prophecy in the Old Testament came to pass with the coming and temporary death of Jesus.

What about the fact that the pieces of the Bible are around 200 times as big as the King James edition?

200 times???

You have lost any and all credibility here.

The version of the Bible you so adoringly follow was compiled by the Catholic church, with all other writings kept by them in vaults. You aren't following the word of God, you follow the doctorings of a group of Christians you don't even believe will go to heaven. They hold all the cards, yet you think you're above them! What idiocy is that?!?

It was not collected by the catlicks. It was collected by the eastern Church who were Arian.

My 5 cents; believe all you want, but it is the closed minded and the stubborn that will miss out the most.

Thank you for stopping by to attempt to force your ignorant unsaved opinion on us.

Finally, I'll leave you to work this out. There are around 76% Christian denominations in America and in the American prisons, there are 76% Christian inmates.

How shocking in a country that calls itself 86% Christian!

This makes sense, as you'd expect like for like. However, there are 2.5% of atheists in American prisons with 15% throughout the entire American population. Conclusion? Those who have a mind of their own, are good people and commit less crime are the athiests.

This just proves the old axiom that there are no atheists in foxholes. How many of these reporting themselves as Christian now went to prison as atheists?

If God exists, what do you think he'd be feeling right now?

I can tell you that God does exist and he is very very angry at reading your lies, ignorance and blasphemy.