[TheMasterofSwig]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

What makes me sick is your blind belief of such childish ideas. Not going to argue with those that refuse to understand that the world isn't "god's little playground where magical things happen and if you don't believe that one man died two thousand years ago to save you" (how does a man dying save you of anything? how does that right the wrongs you've done in life? how does accepting and loving this said man change who you are or what you are worth in the eyes of god). I'm not saying you all should be atheists but for christs sake stop saying that everyone who doesn't follow exactly what you do will burn and die slowly.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

blah blah blah I'm not saying you all should be atheists but for christs sake stop saying that everyone who doesn't follow exactly what you do will burn and die slowly.

Let me see if I have this straight: on a privately-owned website that is used to spread the Word of God as inerrantly captured in the KJV Bible, you want us to NOT tell people the consequences of disregarding His commands?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

how does a man dying save you of anything? how does that right the wrongs you've done in life? how does accepting and loving this said man change who you are or what you are worth in the eyes of god)

It's not childish at all. Why, some of the world's most brilliant minds have spent a lifetime pondering about, and praying over these things. As far as the Work on the Cross, it's not about random suffering. It's not like Jesus could have said, "Gee, I'll stub My Holy Toe and that will pay the debt for your mortgage. I'll yank My Holy Hangnail and that will pay the debt for your saying something hurtful. I'll just hang on this here cross in agony for a few hours to pay your debt of sin."

Why Jesus chose to temporarily sacrifice Himself, God the Son, to pay the debt of sin Demanded by Himself, God the Father, is a mystery. His thoughts are not our thoughts. They are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8). But Deuteronomy 32:4 reminds us that He is the Rock. His works are perfect. All His ways are just. He is a faithful God who does no wrong, who is upright and just. Therefore, the plan of salvation He has designed is perfect, just, and upright, and no one could have come up with anything better.

[Jedediah]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

(how does a man dying save you of anything? how does that right the wrongs you've done in life? how does accepting and loving this said man change who you are or what you are worth in the eyes of god).

As if you even deserve an explanation with your petulant tone...

The Blood of Jesus has the power to cleanse us of sin (I John 1:7, Revelation 1:5). When Jesus was hanging up there on that cross, dying (temporarily) for our sins, He was basically creating a stockpile of Sweet Savior Blood - enough to last until the end times - so that all True Christians™ to come would have their own allotment of His Precious Blood with which to scrub away all that dirty, dirty sin we were born with and enable us to stop sinning altogether.

How does this work exactly? Well, when we can't understand His ways, we may yet rejoice in His promises.

God gives us the power to live a holy life. Without Him, we are naught but lowly worms.

Philippians 2:12-13
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I'm not saying you all should be atheists but for christs sake stop saying that everyone who doesn't follow exactly what you do will burn and die slowly.

Who said anything about dying slowly? Sinners don't get off so easy. You will get to see for yourself the fate that awaits all non-Christians.

God will pull from the grave all those who failed to meet the necessary criteria to receive His unconditional love, judge them, show them that their name is not written in the Book of Life, and cast them into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Jesus tells us that hell is eternal (e.g., Mark 9:42-48). So you don't get off so easy as "dying slowly" if you fail to pucker up and cower before the LORD of hosts while you still have the chance. You can read more about the place that God has prepared for all non-Christians here.

[SwigSwagSwug]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

The Blood of Jesus has the power to cleanse us of sin [/URL][/B]

So wait, say jesus was a baby and I decided to cut off his head and drain his blood into a bathtub and then bathe in said bath tub, all my sins would be washed away?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

So wait, say jesus was a baby and I decided to cut off his head and drain his blood into a bathtub and then bathe in said bath tub, all my sins would be washed away?

Where in the KJV Bible does it say this?



Oh wait: you're just making a failed attempt at shocking us, right?



You're gonna have to dig a little deeper than that, kid.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smith

[TheMasterofSwig]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNd_S3iXfs

This video is a good example of an intellectual debate between atheists and theists who defined themselves as Christian. The biggest point in the debate that was highlighted was that there is no actual scientific proof behind god. The bible is not scientific proof or proof at all merely because you claim it was "created by god", as you have no proof of that besides it telling you so.

[Didymus Much]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

...The biggest point in the debate that was highlighted was that there is no actual scientific proof behind god...

AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnd: there's no scientific proof against God (go investigate the difficulties involved in proving a negative before responding to this, please).

Is that fact going to change your mind?

So why should your fact change their minds?

... The bible is not scientific proof or proof at all merely because you claim it was "created by god", as you have no proof of that besides it telling you so.

Go look up "faith" (which is what the Bible says God wants) and "proof".

If it's not immediately (blatantly, painfully, etc.) obvious to you that they are incompatible, ask here for a fuller explanation.

[Jedediah]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNd_S3iXfs

This video is a good example of an intellectual debate between atheists and theists who defined themselves as Christian. The biggest point in the debate that was highlighted was that there is no actual scientific proof behind god. The bible is not scientific proof or proof at all merely because you claim it was "created by god", as you have no proof of that besides it telling you so.

Atheists love to debate because they're insecure. When we have Truth which is plain as day to anyone willing to look at the world with eyes unclouded by sin and hatred for all that is righteous, why should we be compelled to debate or prove anything?

The proof of God's existence is all around you, friend. The Truth is inside you too, friend, whether you like it or not. You're just suppressing it because you are addicted to sin.

Romans 1:18-25
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[Chantal]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there lives. Just for the record I am not an atheist.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there lives.

Their opinions DON'T matter, but we have a duty to expose the folly of their thinking and to be prepared to answer their questions.

2 Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2 Pet 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

[Elmer G. White]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there lives. Just for the record I am not an atheist.

Dear Chantal,

It is not about debate. This is NOT a debate forum but a place for WORSHIP. It the the goal of all True Christians(tm) to save as many souls as possible from eternal damnation and Hell. An atheist is condemned (similar to religious people who have not been able to perform the relatively simple leap of deduction JESUS = GOD) and it is our DUTY to make him see the Light that is JESUS.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


I'm not necessarily fond of atheists but I LOVE THEM enough to want to save them from damnation. I don't hate or despise them. God does.

Deuteronomy 5:9
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there lives.

That's not what the Holy Word of God tells us.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

[Ex-soccer player]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there lives. Just for the record I am not an atheist.

What would you if you met a person who wants to commit suicide? He stands there at the edge of a roof, threatening to jump. What would you do? Would you be unconcerned and cold-heartedly say "I don't care if you kill yourself, you can believe and do what you want"? This indifference makes Jesus sad. Atheists commit spiritual suicide. Why not rescue them from eternal death? Let's wake them up by slapping them with the Holy Bible, they will thank us later!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: How to defend your faith and destroy atheism in one hit

I am curious why you find the need to debate with atheist in the first place about religion. If you are sure in your beliefs then why does there [their] opinion matter so much. There would be a lot more peace in the world if everyone just let people believe what they want to believe and go about there [their] lives.

I have no interest whatsoever in "debating" with atheists. Their opinions are vexatious and devoid of value or significance. I would certainly never dream of going to an atheist forum and arguing with them: I am far too busy! And I think you will find this holds true for all of us at Landover Baptist, both Pastors and congregation.

But when atheists come here, uninvited, to this privately-owned Christian forum, what are we expected to do? Usually they are simply here to persecute us, but sometimes God has sent them here for a reason. We are not such cold and uncaring people that we would reject them out of hand. We do the best we can.

I hope this helps?

Yours in Faith,
Joanna