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  • #31
    Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

    Dr. Davidson:

    I understand that the bible is not a fairy tale that makes everyone happy and everyone gets what he wants at the end. I understand the biblical rules you outlined above, thanks. I look forward for more biblical rules outlined like above to understand.

    However, do you see my point??

    Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??

    You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.


    How can you not be perfect if you don't sin?? I suppose your bible KJV1611 shows you have to live, if you follow the bible all the time, then you live a perfect life. If you break one of the bible rules, then you sinned because you are not perfect.

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    • #32
      Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

      Originally posted by shert View Post
      How can you not be perfect if you don't sin?? I suppose your bible KJV1611 shows you have to live, if you follow the bible all the time, then you live a perfect life. If you break one of the bible rules, then you sinned because you are not perfect.
      You are confusing perfection with sinlessness. God is perfect in all ways. You can live, make mistakes, and still be sinless.

      Let's say you're trying to fix your car. You believe that it's the altenator, so you replace it. It later turns out that the modulator was faulty. You were honestly mistaken, and that is not a sin.

      On the other hand, if you rob the corner liquor store, there is no way that you can say you thought it was the right thing to do.

      Do you see where I'm going here? There is a large difference between making an honest grammar mistake, and killing your neighbor to sleep with his wife. One is a sin, and the other isn't.
      "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
      (Leviticus 21:6-7)

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      • #33
        Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

        You are right, I did not see the difference between perfection and sinlessness. I understand your point now, which brings me to another point. If you sin, then you are not a True Christian, which means you go to Hell. In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??

        If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.
        If its wrong, then you are wrong and True Christians do sin.

        I'll wait for a response about God being fair about sending bastards to Hell.

        Quoting from my previous post:
        Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??
        You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.

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        • #34
          Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

          Originally posted by shert View Post
          In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??
          In a way, you are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where a sin can be forgiven, but the penalties are harsh indeed. Once you are in the fold, you'd better fly right.


          Originally posted by shert
          If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.
          Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell.

          Originally posted by shert
          Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??
          The bible is explicit about this. The father of that baby is to marry the woman or be stoned to death. If the father does not marry the woman, then the child can not even step inside a church. It may not sound fair, but it is God's law.

          Originally posted by shert
          You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.
          In the bible, the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. Once a bastard is born, they may not enter the church, even to the tenth generation. There are several instances where all future generations were cursed. Ham's descendents for instance.

          Genesis 9:20-28
          And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
          And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
          And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
          And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
          And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
          God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
          "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
          (Leviticus 21:6-7)

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          • #35
            Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

            You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??

            This could happen to any True Christian woman.

            This law seems to be unfair at all, here is why I believe that:
            1 - The baby did not play any role in the crime, and he is sentenced to Hell no matter what.
            2 - The mother might not play any role in the crime too.
            3 - In an attempt to make this fair, a solution was offered in the bible, which is getting married. However, this is not a 100% solution since the woman might be already married. Even if she is a widow or divorced, she cannot be remarried again.
            4 - If I remember correctly, True Christian women are only allowed to marry True Christian men. So, if she was raped by an atheist or a protestant, will the church allow her to get married and fix the mistake that she didn't play any role in?? Probably the church would dismiss her from church if she decided to do that. So, the woman and her son are doomed no matter what they do!!
            5 - If she was raped by a True Christian man, oh wait, that doesn't make any sense since a True Christian man wouldn't break such a commandment in the bible. As you said, and I quote: "Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell."
            I don't know if the church will allow the True Christian woman, assuming she was single, to marry this person who already earned his ticket to Hell.

            In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.

            If I am wrong, please correct me.

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            • #36
              Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

              Originally posted by shert View Post
              You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??

              This could happen to any True Christian woman.

              This law seems to be unfair at all, here is why I believe that:
              1 - The baby did not play any role in the crime, and he is sentenced to Hell no matter what.
              2 - The mother might not play any role in the crime too.
              3 - In an attempt to make this fair, a solution was offered in the bible, which is getting married. However, this is not a 100% solution since the woman might be already married. Even if she is a widow or divorced, she cannot be remarried again.
              4 - If I remember correctly, True Christian women are only allowed to marry True Christian men. So, if she was raped by an atheist or a protestant, will the church allow her to get married and fix the mistake that she didn't play any role in?? Probably the church would dismiss her from church if she decided to do that. So, the woman and her son are doomed no matter what they do!!
              5 - If she was raped by a True Christian man, oh wait, that doesn't make any sense since a True Christian man wouldn't break such a commandment in the bible. As you said, and I quote: "Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell."
              I don't know if the church will allow the True Christian woman, assuming she was single, to marry this person who already earned his ticket to Hell.

              In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.

              If I am wrong, please correct me.
              And exactly where in the Bible does God imply that He is "fair" by your standards?

              Consider yourself corrected. You don't understand the Holy Bible for a reason.

              John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
              Who Will Jesus Damn?

              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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              • #37
                Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                You are right, I did not see the difference between perfection and sinlessness. I understand your point now, which brings me to another point. If you sin, then you are not a True Christian, which means you go to Hell. In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??
                One unforgiven sin and you go to Hell. You can ask Jesus to wash you free of sin at any time.
                If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.
                If its wrong, then you are wrong and True Christians do sin.
                You have constructed a false dichotomy there. God hates false dichotomies. He sends sinners to Hell, but He is also a merciful God who allows sinners to become sin-free True Christians.
                I'll wait for a response about God being fair about sending bastards to Hell.

                Quoting from my previous post:
                Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??
                You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.
                Another example: A baby is born in China. Since Jesus isn't very big in China, he never hears about the gospel of Jesus Christ, but only what the locals consider to be right and moral. He spends his entire life trying to be the best, most morally upstanding little yellow Chinaman he can be. Then he dies and goes straight to Hell for not accepting Jesus. Is that his fault? Is that fair?
                You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??

                This could happen to any True Christian woman.

                This law seems to be unfair at all, here is why I believe that:
                1 - The baby did not play any role in the crime, and he is sentenced to Hell no matter what.
                2 - The mother might not play any role in the crime too.
                3 - In an attempt to make this fair, a solution was offered in the bible, which is getting married. However, this is not a 100% solution since the woman might be already married. Even if she is a widow or divorced, she cannot be remarried again.
                4 - If I remember correctly, True Christian women are only allowed to marry True Christian men. So, if she was raped by an atheist or a protestant, will the church allow her to get married and fix the mistake that she didn't play any role in?? Probably the church would dismiss her from church if she decided to do that. So, the woman and her son are doomed no matter what they do!!
                5 - If she was raped by a True Christian man, oh wait, that doesn't make any sense since a True Christian man wouldn't break such a commandment in the bible. As you said, and I quote: "Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell."
                I don't know if the church will allow the True Christian woman, assuming she was single, to marry this person who already earned his ticket to Hell.

                In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.

                If I am wrong, please correct me.
                Yes, this situation, and the one I outlined above, may seem unfair to the untrained eye. That is why we are mere mortals, and God is not. Have you ever made a decision about a question of morality or fairness and then turned out to be wrong, or realised that the matter is more complicated than you thought? Me too. God hasn't, though. So if a fallible human who makes mistakes and God disagree, who do you think is wrong?
                O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                • #38
                  Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                  Originally posted by shert View Post
                  You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??

                  This could happen to any True Christian woman.


                  In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.

                  If I am wrong, please correct me.
                  Fortunately, my friend, the Bible tells us the law.

                  As Christians, we are free from considering "fair" or "unfair", or trying to figure out why God said the things He said. He did. That's it.

                  If you wonder about some hypothetical outcast bastard, then what do you think of Job? (There's a whole book of the Bible about him. Here's the Cliff Notes version.)

                  One day, Satan chats up God and God mentions that He's been wandering the earth, watching His favoritest servant, Job. Job's a very good follower. Satan says, "Well, he's only such a good follower because he has everything he could want! Many cattle, fine house, hot women, handsome sons . . . I bet if I take those away, he won't love you so much."

                  God thinks about this and says, "I'll take your bet, you're gonna regret, cuz Job's the best servant there's ever been."

                  So, Satan kills off Job's cattle, and hot wives, and handsome sons, and burns down his house, and so on. Job's now a pauper and alone, but still praising God.

                  God says, "See, Satan? He still loves me. Gimme that fiver you owe me."

                  "But God," Satan replies, "I'll go double-or-nothing that if you let me torture him, he'll turn from you."

                  God, seeing a chance to show Satan wrong a second time in short order, says, "Well, as long as you don't kill him, go do whatever else you want."

                  So, Satan goes and tortures Job with sores and boils and urinary tract infections and constipation and forces him to listen to American Idol rejects.

                  Still, Job praises God.

                  God says, "See, Satan! I won your bet again!"

                  Then God gave Job some penicillin, and some new wives and cows and such.

                  As you can see from this story, God loves His followers enough to use them in bets with Satan. If that's not FAIR, I don't know what is!!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                    "What about the babies?!!?!" God is omniscient! He knows EVERYTHING! Do you think He would allow a baby who will grow into a Godly True Christian be born to a mother who will be rapes? No! He knows already that if these children were to grow up, they would be monstrous sinners just like their parents! Even with everything else going against them, that alone makes them worthy of Hell.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                      Ok, I'll try my best to comment on all points mentioned above, however, I might forget one or two due to time constraints.

                      If God is Fair in way that he Himself only understands, then why worship Him?? Why would God gives us laws that He Himself only understand or sees to be Fair, then asks us to follow it. In this sense He is playing a Dictator, which contradict with what Dr. Davidson said about God loving his followers.

                      How come God is mercy full that he will grant someone a "Wash Free From Sins" that this person committed, but not grant him a "Wash Free from a SINGLE sin" that he didn't play any role in it, neither his mother who has been a True Christian person her whole life??

                      I am sure that there are standards in the world that most intelligent human beings agree on, e.g., Kicking little babies for fun is wrong. And I am sure that if give this example about the married True Christian woman being raped and her son being sentenced to Hell no matter what he does is Not Fair.

                      About the Chinese boy, yes it is unfair to let him go to Hell. If God is so great, then He should be popular EVERYWHERE, not only in Freehold. You have to understand, you cannot say that God is perfect, but not fair!!

                      About True Christians and Sins, I don't get it. One person says that True Christians don't sin, and that if they do, they get a ticket to Hell. The other one says, you can sin and ask Jesus to wash you free of sin ANY TIME.

                      If I make an example or an argument that MOST people agree on, even you said that "It may seems unfair", then I may question the God, who is perfect and knows the past/present and the future to lay such a law that most people disagree with!!

                      About Job:
                      From my little understanding, Job was tested, and he was judged by his actions. However, when you tell someone "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL" just because someone drunk raped your "Married" and "True Christian" mother, even the bible offers a solution that is questionable, refer to the 5 points I wrote above. Does this sound fair?? Is the little boy given a chance??

                      To Sister Mary Maria:
                      In my example I mentioned multiple times, I kept saying that the mother is a True Christian married woman. Even a True Christian man might commit such a sin with a True Christian woman, But I am still not sure about that because one person says True Christians don't sin and the other one says they sin and ask for a "Wash free from sins".
                      If you really believe that God won't allow a to-be True Christian baby be born outside of marriage, then what happens to our "Free Will".
                      In this web, one of the rules "if I remember correctly" is that you have to save a soul every week or so. What is the point of that if God destines people to Hell or Heaven before they are even born?? Why would God sentence someone to Hell without even giving them a chance?? Basically God is punishing this person just because "He Says So".

                      To any True Christian people reading this: Have you ever taken a fertility test to see if your parents are really your parents??
                      If you say no, then there is a chance you are going to Hell, no matter how good you were, you are, or you will be!!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                        Originally posted by shert View Post
                        In my example I mentioned multiple times, I kept saying that the mother is a True Christian married woman.
                        What a stupid question. Because God wouldn't allow a True Christian woman to be raped, then if a supposed True Christian woman is raped, she's not really a True Christian and God sent the rapist to punish her for lying.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                          Ok, I'll try my best to comment on all points mentioned above, however, I might forget one or two due to time constraints.

                          If God is Fair in way that he Himself only understands, then why worship Him?? Why would God gives us laws that He Himself only understand or sees to be Fair, then asks us to follow it. In this sense He is playing a Dictator, which contradict with what Dr. Davidson said about God loving his followers.
                          When you were a child at school, did your teachers make you do things you didn't want to? Did you resent them for it at the time? Are you grateful for it now? There you go then. God loves us, but He also knows what's good for us better than we do. And we worship Him because the alternative is eternal suffering. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

                          About the Chinese boy, yes it is unfair to let him go to Hell. If God is so great, then He should be popular EVERYWHERE, not only in Freehold. You have to understand, you cannot say that God is perfect, but not fair!!
                          But where would be the challenge in that? If God made everyone love him, there would be no need for free will. It is necessary for billions and billions of unsaved Chinamen to burn for eternity that we should be able to rise above the animals and accept God of our own free will.
                          About True Christians and Sins, I don't get it. One person says that True Christians don't sin, and that if they do, they get a ticket to Hell. The other one says, you can sin and ask Jesus to wash you free of sin ANY TIME.
                          Not at any time. Asking Jesus to wash your sins away isn't like asking one of your buddies for a light. It is a serious commitment involving turning your entire life over to Him and asking Him to come into your heart and keep you free from sin. If you think you can spend all week sinning, spend half an hour kneeling in Church and begging for forgiveness, then go out and do the same thing all over again next week, you've got a big surprise waiting for you on Judgement Day!
                          If I make an example or an argument that MOST people agree on, even you said that "It may seems unfair", then I may question the God, who is perfect and knows the past/present and the future to lay such a law that most people disagree with!!
                          You are perfectly free to question God. However, you should bear in mind that God is likely to make you suffer eternally for your blasphemy. God's ways are not the ways of the world, so of course most people will reject the path of righteousness. Here's some Scripture to make things clearer for you:
                          John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
                          19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


                          Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
                          14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

                          You see? God will cause the vast majority of the world's population to go down into destruction rather than choosing the path of Eternal Life. Why He would do this is beyond our understanding, but He tells us He will.
                          About Job:
                          From my little understanding, Job was tested, and he was judged by his actions.
                          He was judged according to his actions, but he was not punished or rewarded according to his actions. He was an innocent man who God punished and tortured hideously. You ask how God could punish innocent children for their parents' sins, but Job's children were punished and killed even though their parents were completely innocent! You understand?
                          However, when you tell someone "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL" just because someone drunk raped your "Married" and "True Christian" mother, even the bible offers a solution that is questionable, refer to the 5 points I wrote above. Does this sound fair?? Is the little boy given a chance??
                          As much as a chance as the heathen Chinee in my previous example. Face it, the number of people who're going to Hell because they never even heard about Jesus is probably far far larger than the amount of people who're going to Hell for being bastards, so why not worry about that instead?
                          To Sister Mary Maria:
                          In my example I mentioned multiple times, I kept saying that the mother is a True Christian married woman. Even a True Christian man might commit such a sin with a True Christian woman, But I am still not sure about that because one person says True Christians don't sin and the other one says they sin and ask for a "Wash free from sins".
                          No, True Christians don't sin, I never said that. I said that sinners could become True Christians and give up sin, but I never claimed that True Christians sin, that'd be ludicrous.
                          If you really believe that God won't allow a to-be True Christian baby be born outside of marriage, then what happens to our "Free Will".
                          In this web, one of the rules "if I remember correctly" is that you have to save a soul every week or so.
                          What web? I think you may be remembering things that don't exist.
                          What is the point of that if God destines people to Hell or Heaven before they are even born?? Why would God sentence someone to Hell without even giving them a chance?? Basically God is punishing this person just because "He Says So".
                          Now you're starting to show some kinds of understanding?
                          To any True Christian people reading this: Have you ever taken a fertility test to see if your parents are really your parents??
                          If you say no, then there is a chance you are going to Hell, no matter how good you were, you are, or you will be!
                          Reminds me of Sister Ellymae. She was a good and faithful member of the congregation, then she discovered she had some unmarried ancestry. She died a while back, and now she's in Hell. It's pretty sad, but as the great Donald Rumsfeld said, stuff happens.
                          O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                          God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                            To sister Mary:
                            If you believe that God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen, such as rape, to True Christian people, then what is the point of living in a "Gated" Community??
                            So, if you are right, then can we assume that True Christians don't get raped?? And that if you were raped before and got pregnant, then thats a sign that you are not a True Christian?? Therefore you are going to Hell just because you got raped??
                            If the answer is yes to the above question, then can we add this to your rules: "Raped Women are not True Christians, therefor they are going to HELL"??

                            Brother Temperance:
                            Yes my teacher asked me to do things that I didn't understand when I was a child, but I do now. Also, my teacher provided reasonable explanations that people agreed on. In our case here, the only explanations here are contradictions. For example, God gives "Wash free from sins" to people who chose to sin in the past, and on the other hand, He punishes people for a sin they didn't commit, He didn't even offer them a chance!!

                            Thank you for mentioning "The Challenge", in your second comment. Where is this challenge that the bastard and the Chinese boy had before going to HELL?? Remember that the Chinese boy was born in China where he didn't hear anything about Jesus, and that the bastard couldn't follow the laws Dr. Davidson pointed out because this bastard's mother is married or he is bastard because of early generations.
                            Also, where is the Free will you are talking about when Sister Mary said that any raped woman is not a True Christian??

                            In your third comment, I agree that people cannot just sin the whole week and ask for forgiveness the next week, then repeat. However, people are not perfect, sometimes they are tempted to do something wrong because of heat of the moment. For example, change a grade or an expiration date on some goods to sell. Even if you turn your life over to God, there must be some of these moments.

                            The vast majority of people in the world hates killers, kids rapists, dictators, etc etc. That doesn't make them good people because the vast majority of the world hates them.

                            About Job, no I don't understand this God who is punishing innocent kids and innocent people!!

                            About the Chinese example, you are right. We should worry about this instead because the example shows worse justice than the bastard case.

                            True Christians don't sin?? Whats the point of forgiveness then?? What happens to a True Christian who changed the expiration date of some goods and sold them to another True Christian. Then, this person asked for forgiveness then after 5 years did it again??

                            What web? I think you may be remembering things that don't exist.
                            No, I don't remember things that don't exist. Go here: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/beliefs.html and search for the word soul. You will get, and I quote "
                            failure to win at least one soul a week" which is one of the Baptist Behavior 101 and Fines for Misconduct.

                            if you are telling that you are following a God who is a Bully who wants us to follow things because "He Said So" then I would understand. However, I don't because based on Dr. Davidson the God you are following is a God who truly loves His followers!!

                            Again, have you taken a fertility test?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

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                              Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                              Originally posted by shert View Post
                              What web? I think you may be remembering things that don't exist.
                              No, I don't remember things that don't exist. Go here: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/beliefs.html and search for the word soul. You will get, and I quote "
                              failure to win at least one soul a week" which is one of the Baptist Behavior 101 and Fines for Misconduct.

                              if you are telling that you are following a God who is a Bully who wants us to follow things because "He Said So" then I would understand. However, I don't because based on Dr. Davidson the God you are following is a God who truly loves His followers!!

                              Again, have you taken a fertility test?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

                              Friend, calm yourself.

                              I have been reading all of your posts and following your progress on the road to Christ. It seems that you are filled with rage, and the above example from your most recent posting exemplifies that.

                              It seems to me that you are a pretty busy sinner. You spend lots of time and energy laying your traps and trying to catch us in some imagined contradiction. You are just thinking too much. And it adds up to stinkin thinkin.

                              Since you are not yet saved, you have exactly zero hope of understanding God's Holy Word. Exactly zero. You are doing lots of jumping up and down, thrashing about, thinking that you can. But I am here to tell you, you are misguided, friend.

                              John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

                              Son, what is your point? Just come out with it.
                              Who Will Jesus Damn?

                              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                              Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                                Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

                                Originally posted by shert View Post
                                To sister Mary:
                                If you believe that God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen, such as rape, to True Christian people, then what is the point of living in a "Gated" Community??(1)
                                So, if you are right, then can we assume that True Christians don't get raped?? And that if you were raped before and got pregnant, then thats a sign that you are not a True Christian?? Therefore you are going to Hell just because you got raped??
                                If the answer is yes to the above question, then can we add this to your rules: "Raped Women are not True Christians, therefor they are going to HELL"??(2)
                                (1) Peace and quiet. Not having to put up with mooselimb priests wailing from rooftops that it's time to pray to Satan. And I didn't say God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen. He likes to test us all the time. Why, just a couple of months ago He started to test my friend Abigail by causing her 4-year-old son Peter to be caught in a shed fire, resulting in third degree burns over 65% of his body and her 2-year-old daughter Rebecca to die in the fire. He didn't give Abigail any more than she can handle, and she's been proving herself strong in her faith by still being joyous in the Lord's love through all of Peter's agonizing screams of pain.
                                (2) Yes.
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