[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I never said ignore. What I am saying is that it is not as relevant to us today. That was the whole purpose of God creating a New Testament. You see, thats why people create new things, because the old things are not working as well. Thats why we are not riding around in Model T's anymore. That is why we use a mailing system instead of the Pony Express, that is why we fly in airplanes instead of hot air balloons, and that is why God created the New Testament. I dont see why it has to be explained like your a 3 year old. When things get old and outdated, you get new things. The Old Testament is called that because it is OLD. Therefore we have the NEW Testament, because it is new and fits our needs.

Please post the Scripture that backs up your ridiculous claims.

The New Testament is over 1,000 years old, so by your reckoning, we can ignore that as "outdated" too?

Scripture or it never happened, pal.

[sloppyjotbone]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Please post the Scripture that backs up your ridiculous claims.

The New Testament is over 1,000 years old, so by your reckoning, we can ignore that as "outdated" too?

Scripture or it never happened, pal.

All you do is claim scriputre, scripture, scripture. Can you not think on your own or do you need scripture to tell you what to do constantly. You see, God made us intelligent for a reason. If God did not want you to do anything other than read scripture He would not have given you a brain, however I am afraid to see that His work has gone without reward.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

All you do is claim scriputre, scripture, scripture. Can you not think on your own or do you need scripture to tell you what to do constantly. You see, God made us intelligent for a reason. If God did not want you to do anything other than read scripture He would not have given you a brain, however I am afraid to see that His work has gone without reward.

God gave us His Holy Word for a reason; So we would have a clear and specific reference to ensure we are following His Divine Will. God does not want us to use our imagination when it comes to being a Christian. It's all or nothing, pal.

Matthew 12:30:
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You are blaspheming by making up all this nonsense about which parts of the Bible to obey and which to ignore. I strongly urge you to read THIS sermon on the subject.

[sloppyjotbone]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

God gave us His Holy Word for a reason; So we would have a clear and specific reference to ensure we are following His Divine Will. God does not want us to use our imagination when it comes to being a Christian. It's all or nothing, pal.




You are blaspheming by making up all this nonsense about which parts of the Bible to obey and which to ignore. I strongly urge you to read THIS sermon on the subject.

I will pass thank you. You are a sick twisted person. You hide behind God, and the Bible and Religion, throwing scripture around to mask your inner hate. You are a hateful person, who attempts, (stupidly I might add) to do 'good' with religion, but your version of 'good' is harming children, and defending hateful acts. Well, you may think that thats how God works, but its not. I just hope that enough people realize your cult for what it is. And believe me, just because your not preaching the Second Coming, or making people drink kool aide doesnt mean your not right up there with the rest of them. All I know is that I will live my life as I think God sees fit, and I will know that no matter what I do, I will never be like any of the hateful, evil people who are believers in what you deem as religion. What you do is not religion my friend. Its hate. Pure, and simple hate. I do pity you though, I pity your lack of a heart. I pity your blindness when it comes to the Lord, and most of all I pity your lack of compassion, for without compassion we are nothing more than animals.

[shadeofwinter]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Move to a state/country where the form is legal. Other than that, you can't do much!

[Dove321]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

"Thou shalt not murder."

That is all.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

"Thou shalt not murder."

That is all.

Murder and killing are two different things. God abhors a murderer but commands us to kill in His name.

1. The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
   
2. The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19
3. And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35
4. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....
   And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
5. And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34
6. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16
7. If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15
8. When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17
9. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21
10. So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40
11. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20
12. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3
13. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9
14. He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34
15. That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23
16. Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1
17. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
18. He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

I have more if you need it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

"Thou shalt not murder."

That is all.

If you think "that is all" to God's Holy Word then you've got another think coming.

I'd like to share one of my favorite stories from the Bible with you. It's one we often use as our Sunday Bible School lesson for the True Christian(tm) children who attend Landover Baptist.

Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins --captive girl children virgins! ---- Numbers 31:1-54

[gm jack]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Murder and killing are two different things. God abhors a murderer but commands us to kill in His name.

1. The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
   
2. The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19
3. And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35
4. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....
   And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
5. And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34
6. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16
7. If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15
8. When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17
9. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21
10. So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40
11. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20
12. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3
13. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9
14. He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34
15. That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23
16. Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1
17. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
18. He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

I have more if you need it.

But which of these refer to the murder of young children?

Mark 10:13-16, People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them.

[VoiceOfReason5]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

The OP is just sick. Those parents KILLED their children and your praising them, saying they were merely "disciplining" them.

Oh, and one more thing...

America was never formed on Christian values. Get that into your thick skulls.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

The OP is just sick. Those parents KILLED their children and your praising them, saying they were merely "disciplining" them.

Oh, and one more thing...

America was never formed on Christian values. Get that into your thick skulls.

No, it's the fact that they're going after the Pearls for something somebody else did. The couple took a book out of context and an accident ensued. I don't know, maybe their children cursed them.

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I have several questions after looking through this forum, but my biggest problem is your definition of discipline.
Discipline, by definition, is not punishment. It comes from the greek root disciplinaire, which means "to teach".
Children do not learn by what they are TOLD, but by what they are SHOWN. They learn values and beliefs from actions that they can observe,
What then, are you teaching a child by striking them?
The child (who, as I said before draws lessons from actions) will only learn that you use force and violence to solve problems and disagreements.
So, if your goal is teach violence, particularly violence against someone smaller, weaker, than yourself, keep on hitting your kids.
If your goal is to raise a well-rounded and loving Chrisitan, consider HOW kids learn, and WHAT hitting TEACHES.
I understand that the Lord's Holy Word is everything to you, but if the Lord commands discipline, than please do what he commands and TEACH your children right from wrong...

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I have several questions after looking through this forum, but my biggest problem is your definition of discipline.
Discipline, by definition, is not punishment. It comes from the greek root disciplinaire, which means "to teach".
Children do not learn by what they are TOLD, but by what they are SHOWN. They learn values and beliefs from actions that they can observe,
What then, are you teaching a child by striking them?
The child (who, as I said before draws lessons from actions) will only learn that you use force and violence to solve problems and disagreements.
So, if your goal is teach violence, particularly violence against someone smaller, weaker, than yourself, keep on hitting your kids.
If your goal is to raise a well-rounded and loving Chrisitan, consider HOW kids learn, and WHAT hitting TEACHES.
I understand that the Lord's Holy Word is everything to you, but if the Lord commands discipline, than please do what he commands and TEACH your children right from wrong...

What a bunch liberal feel of mumbo jumbo. The Bible says to hit children early and often.

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

The Bible proscribes death for sassy children who won't listen.

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

First, phrases like "liberal mumbo jumbo" are useless in an intelligent argument. What does "liberal mumbo jumbo" mean? It means that you do not have a logically sound argument, so you have to find something to use in place of one.
My view on discipline is unrelated to my political stance.

The bible presents a lot of interesting ideas that I can't understand.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

I just have to ask a couple more questions...Do you guys (members of your church) follow all of the above suggestions as well?

And, I'm sure in all of your intensive bible studies you've read this one:

'We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. "
Jeremiah 8.8.

I am not here to bash your religious beliefs. I am glad you have a strong faith and respect your belief system in general.

I do not, however, support and will not tolerate to see, hear, or read anything about children being hurt.

I will pray for the greater good for all of you, especially the children.
God Bless!

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I found your signature ironic. I had to point out who a few of those passages refer to.


“nor ABUSERS of themselves with mankind,” 1 Corinthians 6:9
“unmerciful” Romans 1:31
“full of envy, murder, DEBATE” Romans 1:29
“inventors of evil things” Romans 1:30…I know this is a stretch, but whoever came up with the evil idea of using the bible as an excuse to hurt, and even kill children would probably qualify.
“nor revilers” 1 Corinthians 6:10