Sister had a Baby

[ALMOS7]

So about a year and a half ago, my sister conceived a child with a man she barely knew. 4 Months later they decided to marry (in the church), and the baby was born about 4 months later.

he is my nephew, named Vince. is he an illegitimate child?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Sister had a Baby

So about a year and a half ago, my sister conceived a child with a man she barely knew. 4 Months later they decided to marry (in the church), and the baby was born about 4 months later.

he is my nephew, named Vince. is he an illegitimate child?

Yes.

If you were a Christian, you would know this. And the little bastard isn't welcome in church, either.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

[Viggo B. Kristoffersen]

Re: Sister had a Baby

So about a year and a half ago, my sister conceived a child with a man she barely knew. 4 Months later they decided to marry (in the church), and the baby was born about 4 months later.

he is my nephew, named Vince. is he an illegitimate child?

Of course he is. Have you asked your sister why she hate her child so much that she want to see him burn in HELL? As his uncle it's your duty to teach him about True Christianity™.

[ALMOS7]

Re: Sister had a Baby

okay.

so he was conceived OUTSIDE of marriage, but born INSIDE of marriage. isn't a bastard one who is born to an unmarried couple?

a little confused, but your input is appreciated! plz help me!

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Yes.

If you were a Christian, you would know this. And the little bastard isn't welcome in church, either.

Now there is a question about what constitutes marriage in the KJV-CFT, and while you have pointed out what that book has to say about the fate of an illegitimate child and its descendants, what is does NOT show is if the child is considered to be illegitimate if it conceived out of wedlock or only if it born out of wedlock.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Sister had a Baby

okay.

so he was conceived OUTSIDE of marriage, but born INSIDE of marriage. isn't a bastard one who is born to an unmarried couple?

a little confused, but your input is appreciated! plz help me!

Is it possible that it was just a very brief pregnancy, and the child was conceived on the wedding night?

It has been known to happen.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Sister had a Baby

okay.

so he was conceived OUTSIDE of marriage, but born INSIDE of marriage. isn't a bastard one who is born to an unmarried couple?

a little confused, but your input is appreciated! plz help me!

ALMOS7

Let me ask you this. When was the abomination against God committed? OUTSIDE the marriage. Do you really think that God will just let that slide because an hysterical shot-gun wedding ensued as a result of your sisters blatant sinful and hateful actions against Him?

A bastard child is one who is conceived as result of fornication and fornication is:

Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not married to each other." (West's Encyclopedia of American Law )
"1. Noun - Unlawful sexual intercourse on the part of an unmarried person; the act of such illicit sexual intercourse between a man and a woman as does not by law amount to adultery." (The People's Dictionary )
"1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other." (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
"Fornication: Sexual intercourse that is "illicit", outside of marriage." (Medical Dictionary )
"fornication n. sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other." (Law Dictionary )

Let us see what The Bible has to say about fornication:

For example, Jesus said that fornication is in the same category as murder, adultery, blasphemy, etc.:

Matthew 15:19-20

"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

Abstaining from fornication was one of the KEY rules given to the Christians by the apostles and elders of the Church:

Acts 15:19-20

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

The apostle Paul told the church at Corinth that they should have mourned the fact that a man among them was committing fornication:

1 corinthians 4:21 -5:2

"What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you."

Now let us see what God has to say about bastard children themselves:

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Fluffy bunny Christians also like to tell people that children don't pay for the sins of their parents. Well this is NOT the case at all.

Exodus 20:5

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

To put it in a nutshell ALMOS7, the lewd actions of your sister and her love-puppet have cursed your nephew to damnation! I mean he would have been born into sin as we all are, but they sealed his fate by making him born OF sin as well!

See what happens when the pleasures of the flesh, caused by satan nipping at one's heel, can do!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Sister had a Baby

ALMOS7

Let me ask you this. When was the abomination against God committed? OUTSIDE the marriage. Do you really think that God will just let that slide because an hysterical shot-gun wedding ensued as a result of your sisters blatant sinful and hateful actions against Him?

A bastard child is one who is conceived as result of fornication and fornication is:

Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not married to each other." (West's Encyclopedia of American Law )
"1. Noun - Unlawful sexual intercourse on the part of an unmarried person; the act of such illicit sexual intercourse between a man and a woman as does not by law amount to adultery." (The People's Dictionary )
"1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other." (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
"Fornication: Sexual intercourse that is "illicit", outside of marriage." (Medical Dictionary )
"fornication n. sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other." (Law Dictionary )

Let us see what The Bible has to say about fornication:

For example, Jesus said that fornication is in the same category as murder, adultery, blasphemy, etc.:

Matthew 15:19-20

"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

Abstaining from fornication was one of the KEY rules given to the Christians by the apostles and elders of the Church:

Acts 15:19-20

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

The apostle Paul told the church at Corinth that they should have mourned the fact that a man among them was committing fornication:

1 corinthians 4:21 -5:2

"What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you."

Now let us see what God has to say about bastard children themselves:

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Fluffy bunny Christians also like to tell people that children don't pay for the sins of their parents. Well this is NOT the case at all.

Exodus 20:5

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

To put it in a nutshell ALMOS7, the lewd actions of your sister and her love-puppet have cursed your nephew to damnation! I mean he would have been born into sin as we all are, but they sealed his fate by making him born OF sin as well!

See what happens when the pleasures of the flesh, caused by satan nipping at one's heel, can do!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

A very clear explanation of fornication and its consequences according to The KJV-CFT.
But as defined in that book even though they had not had a Church Wedding at the time, and she hardly knew him where they not married in accordance with said book at the time?

Was not the moment of marriage when they joined originally? The Church wedding just being an extra.

[ALMOS7]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Thank you Phebe, that is very unfortunate news.

I will go and tell my sister that she is a damned harlot and her son is going to hell for her actions. This will humiliate me and I will be shunned by my entire family but it is said in scripture, God does not love those who do not hate their families! I live for God and God alone!

Thank you for sharing, your input is always of a high value to me.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Thank you Phebe, that is very unfortunate news.

I will go and tell my sister that she is a damned harlot and her son is going to hell for her actions. This will humiliate me and I will be shunned by my entire family but it is said in scripture, God does not love those who do not hate their families! I live for God and God alone!

Thank you for sharing, your input is always of a high value to me.

Do not be so quick, the time of their actual marriage (as opposed to the church wedding) is still a mater of some debate.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Are you SURE the child wasn't just four months premature?

As the ladies in my congregation keep telling me, "The first one can come just about any time. After that, 9 months each."

Why, our own Wash O'Hanley's mother bore him for TWO YEARS! Seems the little tyke just didn't want to come out until his Daddy got back from the war.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Thank you Phebe, that is very unfortunate news.

I will go and tell my sister that she is a damned harlot and her son is going to hell for her actions. This will humiliate me and I will be shunned by my entire family but it is said in scripture, God does not love those who do not hate their families! I live for God and God alone!

Thank you for sharing, your input is always of a high value to me.

ALMOS7,

You are very welcome. However I don't see how it will be humiliating for you as you are only going by God's Will and Plan for you. Sometimes what we see as an unfortunate situation, always tends to work out when you have Jesus in your heart and always on your mind. As for YOU being shunned by your family? Obviously if that is the case, then it proves that their catholic ways are not that OF GOD, if they are judging YOU on the actions of your sister. You're not the one who slept around like a cheap hooker!

As Jesus said in Matthew 8:18

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

He also said this:

Matthew 19:29

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Now as to that Jo Freddie character. Pay him no mind. He is a pastafarian(that joke religion that praises spaghetti and meatballs) and tries to cause as much grief and tension here as he can.

I think that the Pastors only keep him around to show his stupidity.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Now as to that Jo Freddie character. Pay him no mind. He is a pastafarian(that joke religion that praises spaghetti and meatballs) and tries to cause as much grief and tension here as he can.

My what a convincing rebuke Mr DeWitt
With out answering my question about when the marriage actually took place, under the rules of your book, how can you advise ALMOS7 on the status of his nephew?

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Sister had a Baby

Are you SURE the child wasn't just four months premature?

As the ladies in my congregation keep telling me, "The first one can come just about any time. After that, 9 months each."

Why, our own Wash O'Hanley's mother bore him for TWO YEARS! Seems the little tyke just didn't want to come out until his Daddy got back from the war.

Exactly, why my own uncle was a 5 month pregnancy. But Praise Jesus, he was born completely healthy! And we know that it wasn't because of fornication because he was born back in the 20's and people didn't have sex before marriage back then.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Sister had a Baby

My what a convincing rebuke Mr DeWitt
With out answering my question about when the marriage actually took place, under the rules of your book, how can you advise ALMOS7 on the status of his nephew?

Considering this is a thread he has set up to talk about his sister's situation, I didn't think that I had to air your Calvin Klein undergarment wearing homer lifestyle here. However, if you insist!

Of course you would see the SEXUAL coming together of two people as a viable (in the eyes of God) "marriage" because you and your "partner" have no chance of God's blessings on ANY count. You, not only break MANY of the ten commandments; if not all with your sinful ways, but you continue to brazenly spit in the eye of God with your constant mockery of His Word!

Of course you will try to justify the actions of his tramp sister, but it is not to comfort him in any way, but merely to justify your own sordid actions and sicko "lifestyle".

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.