[Jack Rankan]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

When will I know that I'm abusing my kids and not torturing them? Can torturing become abuse?

If you stick to the Bible, word for word, and Crankyoldmans guide, you will not abuse your children, but you will educate them to be good decent Christians. And besides, the whole "abuse" thing, it's those LIEberals idea. There never was or is such a thing, but as Jesus has ordered us Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

[Miriam Nelson, Whore]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

When will I know that I'm abusing my kids and not torturing them? Can torturing become abuse?

[Jack Rankan]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

You raise an interesting point. What meaning would it have to have the love of god simply programmed into us? And what else is it that CrankyOldMan suggests? He wants to torture children into worshipping god (his words, not mine). If you do something because otherwise you get tortured, it is not on free will. So besides doing that exact thing, making children into robots rather than people with their own free will, he is also trying to alter the programming we came with when we are born. The means he employs imply that a great resistance has to be overcome to achieve that goal. He forcefully alters god's creation which is perfect since it was created by god. That is blasphemy.

Crankyoldman doesn't wan't us to torture our children, he only wants to help us save them from the fires of hell. And if the torture is the only way, so be it. Are you that blind and twistedly evil, man? Do you want to see our children burn in hell?

[Didymus Much]

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...He forcefully alters god's creation which is perfect since it was created by god...

Errr, no.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

[winstonthewhiner]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

God gave man free will. He wanted man to worship him willingly. What meaning would worship have if it was simply programmed into us? Think man, think.

You raise an interesting point. What meaning would it have to have the love of god simply programmed into us? And what else is it that CrankyOldMan suggests? He wants to torture children into worshipping god (his words, not mine). If you do something because otherwise you get tortured, it is not on free will. So besides doing that exact thing, making children into robots rather than people with their own free will, he is also trying to alter the programming we came with when we are born. The means he employs imply that a great resistance has to be overcome to achieve that goal. He forcefully alters god's creation which is perfect since it was created by god. That is blasphemy.

[Jack Rankan]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

Anyway According to you, he made us all. So he made me. In this case, he had some intentions by making me the way I am (unless I am broken in which case he is not unfallible because he made a mistake when he made me) for a reason. Which means, all I am posting I am posting in his interest and these are actually his ideas I spread. This doesn't make any sense at all from my prespective, but from yours, it does.

Yes, he made you for one reason - to worship him on your own free will.

Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

1 Samuel 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the Lord with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the Lord, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.

2 Chronicles 19:3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.

God gave you a choice, worship Him or perish. It's all in your own free will.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Sic! ;-) Anyway According to you, he made us all. So he made me. In this case, he had some intentions by making me the way I am (unless I am broken in which case he is not unfallible because he made a mistake when he made me) for a reason. Which means, all I am posting I am posting in his interest and these are actually his ideas I spread. This doesn't make any sense at all from my prespective, but from yours, it does.

God gave man free will. He wanted man to worship him willingly. What meaning would worship have if it was simply programmed into us? Think man, think.

[winstonthewhiner]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

Just what do you think gives you the right to make demands here?

Sic! ;-) Anyway

You're confused, dear. We're not interested in anyone's thoughts outside the those of the Holy LORD of Lords!

According to you, he made us all. So he made me. In this case, he had some intentions by making me the way I am (unless I am broken in which case he is not unfallible because he made a mistake when he made me) for a reason. Which means, all I am posting I am posting in his interest and these are actually his ideas I spread. This doesn't make any sense at all from my prespective, but from yours, it does.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

so that other people who actually want to use this forum to exchange their thoughts can do so.

You're confused, dear. We're not interested in anyone's thoughts outside the those of the Holy LORD of Lords!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

You have no arguments

I gave plenty of arguments, all based on Holy scripture.

That you are incapable of seeing what is right in front of you, doesn't mean it isn't there. Unfortunately there is no way to make you see that. You either figure it out or you don't.

[Didymus Much]

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...so that other people who actually want to use this forum to exchange their thoughts can do so.

Just what do you think gives you the right to make demands here?

[winstonthewhiner]

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Your remarks would be funny, if they weren't so sad.

You didn't read my original post, you didn't read my reply to your post and you certainly didn't read the Bible. At most you browsed it a bit while masturbating over a photo of Justin Bieber.

It's time to get a bath and get a job girl. The free ride is over.

You have no arguments, at least you don't post any. You don't seem to read the posts you reply to, which is not very clever. Please abstain from posting unless you have something to say that is actually on topic, so that other people who actually want to use this forum to exchange their thoughts can do so.

[ManWhoFoundGod1922]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

Thats how my parents raised me and how I'm raising my son.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

if you are actually able to read

Your remarks would be funny, if they weren't so sad.

You didn't read my original post, you didn't read my reply to your post and you certainly didn't read the Bible. At most you browsed it a bit while masturbating over a photo of Justin Bieber.

It's time to get a bath and get a job girl. The free ride is over.

[winstonthewhiner]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

If you think I made a mistake, just claiming I am wrong is not very useful. Can you explain why you think I am wrong, or is that beyond your limited capabilities?

I can, but since even reading my post is beyond your limited capabilities, I doubt you would understand. However, if you are actually able to read, you will see that I listed quite a comprehensive list of terroristic attacks that happened sinc September 2001. So your statement that since that time the USA was kept free of terroristic attacks due to Bush's politics is uninformed, since there were actually terroristic attacks.

It helps if you read an entire sentence before you respond instead of only reading the first half. What I said was "a decent Christian beating is a friendly cuddling compared to the horrors of burning in Hell". See how much difference looking at the entire sentence makes?

Sure, you try to relativize beating your children by using the image of friendly cuddling, which in fact is a lie. So you are apart from being a coward, you are actually a liar, too.

Where did you get that idiotic idea? Please stop making up things and limit yourself to the actual facts of the matter.

You write an entire paragraph how you want to punish your children by stripping them naked in the cold. You use a false pretext to justify watching nude children, because even though you won't admit it, you enjoy this sight. Here is some scripture to back it up:

Mt, 7, 15: Be on the watch for false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inside they are cruel wolves.

Depends. Everyday food is very cheap compared to, say a new car. I like statistics, so here are some facts that might interest you: developped countries can feed their population on their own and how many people work in agriculture there? 3-5%. Yes, that is the population that is needed to keep everybody well fed. If all spent 95 % of the day doing nothing and the rest, roughly 1 h and 12 minutes working, we'd still have enough to eat.

You wrote

Food is a luxury

Well, well, well, uneducated old man. You should study some book besides the bible so that you know what you are actually talking about. Like here

Luxury goods are products and services that are not considered essential and are associated with affluence.

So food is not essential? And associated with affluence? When today obesity is a bigger problem than hunger in developped countries like the USA?

You have a lot to learn, before you can make any qualified statement. And stop piffling your children. It is one of the most severe crimes we know and against the bible!