[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

It's like saying how come an apple is round, but a banana is still delicious?

Easy, because God created them that way.

[winstonthewhiner]

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You refer to the loving Creator that gave you life as "something that doesn't exist

I am alife because my parents had unprotected sex. Weren't you told how mammals procreate in school?

He sent Himself to be sacrificed to Himself in a grueling death so that we would not be an intolerable abomination to Him...how is this unsympathetic?

That sentence does not make sense. It's like saying how come an apple is round, but a banana is still delicious?

You deny His existence...you therefore must hate Him.

No. I deny the existence of unicorns, too, but I don't hate unicorns.

Well, He hates you too

Why would I care if an imaginary figure form a semi fictional book hates me?

God exists outside of the causal order of the universe.

You were talking about his word. Why is there a need for a word when nothing is left where it can be heard? I suggest, you follow your own advice.

Think before you post, to avoid making yourself look even more foolish.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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I don't hate something that doesn't exist. If you mean the fairy tale figure in the old testament, I think actually a bit of reading will reveal why this character isn't the most sympathetic one.

You refer to the loving Creator that gave you life as "something that doesn't exist" and as an "unsympathetic fairy-tale figure."

He sent Himself to be sacrificed to Himself in a grueling death so that we would not be an intolerable abomination to Him...how is this unsympathetic?

You deny His existence...you therefore must hate Him. Well, He hates you too:

2 Peter 2:1 (1611 King James Bible)

But there were false prophets also among the people, euen as there shall bee false teachers among you, who priuily shall bring in damnable heresies, euen denying the Lord that bought them, and bring vpon themselues swift destruction.

Your forum name suggests you have a PhD. I was under the impression that getting a PhD requires you to do research and research requires you to look things up that have already been done on the field that you are working on.

Now, if you actually bothered to do that, and you had looked here

http://thesaurus.com/browse/reason

The first synonym you find for reason is

You want to reason with me, meaning you want to use logic? Yet you deny its importance for science? Okay....

You seem to have a rather quirky understanding of reasoning. If god destroyed the universe, then where exactly will his word be around? There is nothing left because everything is destroyed.

God exists outside of the causal order of the universe. God is not a subset of the universe, rather the reverse is true. How do you think God could exist before He created the universe? Think before you post, to avoid making yourself look even more foolish.

[winstonthewhiner]

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Friend, why do you hate God?

I don't hate something that doesn't exist. If you mean the fairy tale figure in the old testament, I think actually a bit of reading will reveal why this character isn't the most sympathetic one.

Until you learn that at the foundation of EVERYTHING is the Holy Word™ of God, then there is simply no reasoning with you.

Your forum name suggests you have a PhD. I was under the impression that getting a PhD requires you to do research and research requires you to look things up that have already been done on the field that you are working on.

Now, if you actually bothered to do that, and you had looked here

http://thesaurus.com/browse/reason

The first synonym you find for reason is

Logic

You want to reason with me, meaning you want to use logic? Yet you deny its importance for science? Okay....

The Word of God came before the universe, and will be around after God destroys it.

You seem to have a rather quirky understanding of reasoning. If god destroyed the universe, then where exactly will his word be around? There is nothing left because everything is destroyed.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Nope. At the foundation of science, there is always empirical evidence and logic. Scientist never struggle with anything that goes against the so called word of god because the word of god is irrelevant for what they do. Creationists do struggle with science contradicting the holy book, but they are not scientists, because they don't base their findings on logic and empirical evidence.

Until you learn that at the foundation of EVERYTHING is the Holy Word™ of God, then there is simply no reasoning with you.

John 1:1 (1611 King James Bible)

In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God came before the universe, and will be around after God destroys it. The Word of God is eternal and infallible. If something conflicts with the Word of God, then it is SIMPLY WRONG!!

Friend, why do you hate God?

[winstonthewhiner]

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What's even more entertaining is to see scientists struggle with "science" that goes against the Word of God. At the foundation of all science is the Word of God.

Nope. At the foundation of science, there is always empirical evidence and logic. Scientist never struggle with anything that goes against the so called word of god because the word of god is irrelevant for what they do. Creationists do struggle with science contradicting the holy book, but they are not scientists, because they don't base their findings on logic and empirical evidence.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Then either you agree with them or you don't. It is that simple. There is no other option. You made a decision of free will when you chose the ethics you follow now.

I chose to follow God's guidelines. That can be very tough, especially when the child you are beating up is crying in agony. Christian parenting is very tough on both the parent and the child. But the Bible clearly states the alternative is eternal damnation, so for the future of your child a Christian parent simply has to endure it.

You can't hide behind anything.

I am not hiding anything. What I do and why I do it is all here. And yes, I used my free will to choose to obey God to prevent my children from burning in Hell. And I am proud to be a Bible obeying Christian.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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It is always entertaining when creationists think they know stochastics, physics, chemistry or any actual real science for that matter. Do go on.

What's even more entertaining is to see scientists struggle with "science" that goes against the Word of God.

At the foundation of all science is the Word of God. If you find that your conclusions disagree with God, then guess who has to be wrong? Is the man wrong, or is the Almighty Creator of everything wrong...hmmm...seems like an easy choice to me.

[winstonthewhiner]

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For supposedly being so logical, these atheists do not seem to understand math very well.

It is always entertaining when creationists think they know stochastics, physics, chemistry or any actual real science for that matter. Do go on.

It is like paying 50 cents for a 1% chance of winning a trillion dollars (actually more than this, but I've just used arbitrarily small and large math figures to not hurt the heads of so called logical atheists.)

1% of a trillion is 10 billions. See, I can do math ;-).Apart from that, your calculation only makes sense if the bible is true. Atheists don't do that.Life ends when your brain stops working, there is nothing after that. And from that perspective (even though you may deem it misjudged) you can't deny that CrankyOldMan does advices somethingthat is despicable.

I call tell you from personal experience the pain from not being beaten by your father.

I am sure you are suffering from emotional wounds no sane person can understand or cure.

Just the thought frightens me back into obedience to our sweet and loving savoir Jesus.

See? No worshipping out of free will. It is fear that keeps you doing it.

[winstonthewhiner]

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You are mistaken. I did not choose this way of parenting. I chose to obey God and His Holy Bible. My parenting is just what God wants me to do! So if you disagree you will have to take it up with God, not with me.

Ok, the beating is in the bible. Where is the humiliation, starving and freezing mentioned? Can you back that up as well?

It is funny that you tell an atheist that he has to take it up with god.

Anyway, let's for the moment and for the sake of the argument accept, that your premise is right, that the methods you mentioned in your introductory post are the ones god wants us to use.

Then either you agree with them or you don't. It is that simple. There is no other option. You made a decision of free will when you chose the ethics you follow now. And you can't blame that on a supernatural being whose existence has been neither empirically nor a priori successfully proven. So if you beat your children, YOU decided that when you chose to follow a certain path in your life. You may think, you are fulfilling the will of a divine being, but after all it is YOUR hand that is holding the stick, YOU lock your children out in the cold, YOU deny your offspring nourrishment, YOU embarrass them publicly. You can't hide behind anything.

I now understand why you are such a convicted christian. I don't know wether you have done all these things you write about, but if you did, you could never even slightly consider the option that you are wrong. Because if you are,you would have to deal with the fact that you have done a lot of truly evil misdeeds, worse, sins you are never going to be able to make up for. The religious delusions are just yourway of dealing with the torment of your conscience.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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For supposedly being so logical, these atheists do not seem to understand math very well. Hell is an unending eternity of suffering and torture. Any form of pain on Earth what so ever to avoid going to Hell is therefore justified, no matter how terrible and no matter how lengthy.

If you have to be tortured for 50 years, and it results in even a 1% chance of avoiding Hell's eternal fires, that is well worth it. It is like paying 50 cents for a 1% chance of winning a trillion dollars (actually more than this, but I've just used arbitrarily small and large math figures to not hurt the heads of so called logical atheists.)

Brother, these are the wisest words in this entire conversation. Who in their right minds could argue with such simple, straight-forward logic like this? The way in which you explain this is reminiscent of how I explain to my children the necessity of pulling out a splinter even when it hurts. Would they really rather leave a splinter in, letting it infect the skin, turn the limb gangrenous, just to avoid the relatively tiny discomfort of plucking it out? Avoiding Hell is the same thing, only on a much bigger scale.

Such a shame that people would hold on to that splinter of sin. I'm so glad you could explain this in terms even a simple-minded atheist can [hopefully] comprehend.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Thank you Sir.

You're welcome!

[The Flowerpot]

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This guide was exactly what I needed for my little brother! Thank you Sir.

I have both that exact pipe and the perfect belt! My father and mother do not condone this, so I can't make it perfect, but with God as my witness I will save my brother's soul!
Being naked around me should be sufficient, as I know for a fact he is utterly humiliated when I see him that way.

[Thomas Taylor]

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Words from the crazier freak in this place, certainly I won't never let my future children be near of people like you. I'm very impressed how life is so worthless for you that you're even able to beat and torture innocent children, sometimes to death, to serve you "God", this place sucks and is full of crazy criminals

And it will be because you refuse to condition/train your children that they will become hellbound heathen brats. You truly are an absolute monster.

[Cranky Old Man]

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I'm very impressed how life is so worthless for you

Duh! Of course life is worthless. The only purpose of life is to determine who will be allowed in Heaven and who will burn in Hell for all eternity. Please stop wasting your short life on masturbating all the time and start focusing on what really matters, you immortal and eternal soul!