[Christie]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

Man, an opinion is an opinion. I have the right to freely think about some subjects. You asked FOR it. If my own personal opinion isn't the same with the Bible's, then I'm okay with it. God gave us free will for A REASON. He left us a Holy Book with lots of true stories, but it's up to us if we consider the behavior that's presented in there is good or not.

[Cranky Old Man]

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I'm asking for YOUR personal opinion.

Personal opinions are irrelevant. God created us to serve Him. He gave us the Holy Bible with clear instructions on how to do that. You prefer to ignore most of those instructions and you will burn in Hell for that. We follow those instructions and will go to Heaven. That's all there is to it. It's really all THAT simple.

So please stop boasting (a sin!) about reading many irrelevant books. Read the Holy Bible. REALLY read the Holy Bible. Read the entire book from cover to cover. All of it. And repeat that over and over until the day Jesus decides to kill you. That is how actual real Christians do it.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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If you ask for an OPINION, then the hint ISN'T in any source you may give me, because it's my own personal OPINION.

WRONG!

This is what the Bible says about the gaywise.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men , leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind ,
1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Now, I do hope you are not saying that the Bible is wrong because that would mean it is wrong about the Ressurection and Jesus' sacrifice for all who would following Him.

How can you claim to be a Christian when you do not follow the Bible?

Is your faith in the Righteousness and Justice of Jesus so weak that because YOU don't undertand why Jesus hates queers that you should do the exact opposite to what He says in the Bible, just because it upsets YOUR flawed morality?

Jesus is the final arbiter on what is Moral(r) and Just(c), NOT YOU, young lady.

YIC

[Christie]

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Really? Well, how about you ask me some questions, if you're such a "good" Christian as you pretend?

Answer me some questions*

[Christie]

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Why do you keep up with lies about that you are a Christian, when you don't even know the basics of Christianity? It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name.

Really? Well, how about you ask me some questions, if you're such a "good" Christian as you pretend?

What do you think about incestuous sex? And what do you think about letting your guests rape your daughter? ( If you have one, if not, just imagine you have a daughter ). Also, how about TORTURING your children when they make mistakes? ( and torturing is not beating someone up, it's much worse ). Also, what do you think about doctors or cancer kids? And what do you think about protected sex?

I'm asking for YOUR personal opinion. Don't quote the Bible in any of these questions. I want to know what a "True Christian" thinks about these subjects.

[Alphonse Alban]

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I'm a 9.5 student on a 10 scale. I don't flip pages. Reading is my passion. I am smarter than you may think, Old man. I understand your 2 damn sentences.
Also, I am a Christian

Little vain, are you? Why is it that you have never actually read the Bible? Don't come up with more excuses, as it is obvious that you are not familiar with the Good book. Why do you keep up with lies about that you are a Christian, when you don't even know the basics of Christianity? It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name.

[Christie]

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No you didn't. Flipping through pages without understanding them is not reading. You didn't even understand Proverbs 23:13-14 even though I copied it for you over and over again. It's just 2 sentences! You show to the entire world you are not capable of reading 2 little sentences yet you expect them to believe you read 40 entire books. Stop lying please, your pathetic.
And this is the word of God. If you disagree with it you will have to take it up with God instead of wasting the precious time of us Christians. And no, you are not a Christian. You don't even know what being a Christian means.

Don't make me put a list of all the books ever read + the authors I know by heart. I'm a 9.5 student on a 10 scale. I don't flip pages. Reading is my passion. I am smarter than you may think, Old man. I understand your 2 damn sentences.
Also, I am a Christian. And I admit I'm not a perfect one. You don't. You think you're a perfect one, and you're arrogant by pretending you're a "True Christian". Let me tell you something: Most of the Christians you may not consider "true" because you're too selfish to look up from your Bible and see the world around you, are NOT torturing their children AND STILL live in piece with them. And guess what, I know most of these children are happy and honest and love God. I need to remind you, 'cause you're old and you probably can't remember a little thing like: There is nowhere written in your 2 SENTENCES that children have to be tortured. You wrote a guide about how they should be tortured as a punishment.

I don't know what being a christian is, you say? My name itself is Christie. I was born in a family where we all live in peace. If I do mistake, my parents TALK to me, and try to show me the right way, no matter how big my mistake is. As a reward they talk to me and not TORTURE me as you suggest, I listen to them . Children will appreciate more if you show the right way to them by talking than if you show them cruelty for what they have done. They are TRUE christians, not YOU, who are ONLY reading the Bible, but instead of helping people, you prepare them of how to torture their sons and daughters.

As I said, wake up! We're in another century. Now children are smarter and UNDERSTAND when you talk to them. No aggressivity required anymore.

[Cranky Old Man]

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You should wake up! I'm too lazy to actually open the Bible? Man, I read 40 books

No you didn't. Flipping through pages without understanding them is not reading. You didn't even understand Proverbs 23:13-14 even though I copied it for you over and over again. It's just 2 sentences! You show to the entire world you are not capable of reading 2 little sentences yet you expect them to believe you read 40 entire books. Stop lying please, your pathetic.

I am going to try this one more time. Please note it's only 2 (that's two) sentences: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" (Proverbs 23:13-14).

And this is the word of God. If you disagree with it you will have to take it up with God instead of wasting the precious time of us Christians. And no, you are not a Christian. You don't even know what being a Christian means.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I love God. I'm Christian. I do make mistakes, as everyone does, that's the idea. You, also, make mistakes. You're human. Not everything you may do is right. You're not God, and you also are not Jesus to be perfect. Nobody is.

We are all the same. We make mistakes, we're sinners, we pray for forgiveness when we find out how wrong we were at some point in our lives. Nobody's perfect. The same rule is applied to children: they do make mistakes. We, the other sinners, have no right to punish them by TORTURING them. That's cruelty. No one deserves that.

I'll grant you, this is a nice idea (I think it would be nicer still to have created a world where sin was avoidable altogether, but that's neither her nor there), but it's not particularly accurate. You cannot support any of these fantasies with the Holy Word of God. These are your own personal beliefs, which are nice I agree, but not exactly relevant. After all, it will be to God to whom we must justify ourselves, not to each other. You might want to look into what God Himself actually thinks about this, dear. Here's a hint - read the Holy Bible to see what God Himself actually thinks.

[Christie]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

I love God. I'm Christian. I do make mistakes, as everyone does, that's the idea. You, also, make mistakes. You're human. Not everything you may do is right. You're not God, and you also are not Jesus to be perfect. Nobody is.

We are all the same. We make mistakes, we're sinners, we pray for forgiveness when we find out how wrong we were at some point in our lives. Nobody's perfect. The same rule is applied to children: they do make mistakes. We, the other sinners, have no right to punish them by TORTURING them. That's cruelty. No one deserves that.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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So are you.

You're a Jewess? I thought you loved God.

So is me. So is everyone in this entire world.

Speaking to a crowd of Jews?

Are you quite sure?

Even some of the saints were sinners at first, but they got forgiveness, with a lot of work. Don't tell me you have no sin. Everyone has at least ONE.

Yes, everyone is born a sinner! And yes, many people have been forgiven! Praise Jesus!

But the work is not hard. It has been completed on the Cross (John 19:30). Those who have been forgiven are no longer led into temptation (1st John 5:18).

[Christie]

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Jesus was speaking to a crowd of Jews (John 8:7), so obviously none of them were without sin.

So are you. So is me. So is everyone in this entire world. Even some of the saints were sinners at first, but they got forgiveness, with a lot of work. Don't tell me you have no sin. Everyone has at least ONE.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin. We are all sinners, and we are all trying to get rid of them by praying. You are a sinner too, Cranky Old man. You have no right to torture other sinner. Is that thing for the Bible made to wipe you behind?

You're confused, dear. Jesus was speaking to a crowd of Jews (John 8:7), so obviously none of them were without sin.

[Christie]

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God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin.

If you're a sinner *
My bad.

[Christie]

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God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin. We are all sinners, and we are all trying to get rid of them by praying. You are a sinner too, Cranky Old man. You have no right to torture other sinner. Is that thing for the Bible made to wipe you behind?