Landover and the Old Testament

[Luther T Washington]

I am well aware that Landover Baptist's doctrine states that the Bible, the AV 1611 specifically, is the unerring Word of God and is to be obeyed. There are 613 specific laws or "mitzvot" in the Torah portion of the Old Testament, including many that you quote with regularity. Leviticus 18:22 comes to mind. There are others which I never see any reference to including Leviticus Chapter 11 which details what can and cannot be eaten. Do you you abstain from eating pork and shellfish? Leviticus 19:27 tells us how to maintain our beards. Do you all have beards that are properly maintained?

This is not any effort to challenge you beliefs. I am personally comfortable with Article 5 of the Methodist Articles of Religion which states, for the most part, that Christians are fee from the rules of the Old Testament, with the exception of the Commandments. We are specifically free from "the ancient laws for ceremonies and rites, and the civil precepts for the nation Israel." (the quoted text is from here:
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/methodar.htm)

The full text of the Methodist Articles of Faith is here:

http://www.ame-church.com/about-us/beliefs.php

My question to you is, what parts of the Old Testament do you consider to be binding, which parts do you consider not to be binding, and how were those decisions made?

I thank you in advance for your helpful responses.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Nothing but scripture-twisting Salad Bar Christianity. Strange how they claim we don't have to listen to the OT (If so, why even include it in the Bible?) when the Bible makes it clear that the ENTIRE Bible, including the Old Testament needs to be followed.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

That's the New Testament right there and Jesus talking most of the time. Old Testament is still completely valid. See, this is what happens when you let negroes make their own church. They have a hard time reading, so how can you expect them to form a true Church?

[Brother Lazarus]

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Interesting comment. Rev. Jim do you obey each of the 613 laws Luther speaks of? If so you have both my admiration and sympathy.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Luther T Washington]

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Nothing but scripture-twisting Salad Bar Christianity. Strange how they claim we don't have to listen to the OT (If so, why even include it in the Bible?) when the Bible makes it clear that the ENTIRE Bible, including the Old Testament needs to be followed.

That's the New Testament right there and Jesus talking most of the time. Old Testament is still completely valid. See, this is what happens when you let negroes make their own church. They have a hard time reading, so how can you expect them to form a true Church?

I am interested to see what you think about Brother Lazarus' response. Do you actually live by each of the 613 Mitzvot?

You refer to "Negroes" black people "owning" their own church. We of course don't "own" Wesleyan Methodism. The A.M.E. Church came into existence in 1787 as a fully Methodist but separate Church due to racism that was prevalent at the time. A refers to African, M refers to Methodist (our Wesleyan tradition), and E refers Episcopal (our church structure and organization).

[eliot mayfield]

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Interesting comment. Rev. Jim do you obey each of the 613 laws Luther speaks of? If so you have both my admiration and sympathy.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

And you DON'T???
Only if secular law doesn't allow it!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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And you DON'T???
Only if secular law doesn't allow it!

Amen Brother Eliot! It never ceases to amaze me when folks present themselves as "Christians" but then proceed to tell us which parts of the Holy Word of God they DON'T follow. Cherry pickers! Liars! Blasphemers all!

[Brother Lazarus]

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And you DON'T???
Only if secular law doesn't allow it!

I see Brother Eliot that you do not have a beard. I looked up Luther's reference and it sure looks like God requires a beard. I for one, am not going to shave anymore. How about you?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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And you DON'T???
Only if secular law doesn't allow it!

Exactly, Brother Eliot! I follow all that I can -- legally. And if everything in the OT was made legal, then by golly, I would follow those too. The Bible makes it clear we must respect secular law, so I can be forgiven if I don't stone to death a homosexual, even though I'd really like to.

And Luther, stop being so uppity (Put a house negro in college and he starts thinking he knows everything, just like that Obama fellow). You know the AME Church is just voodoo dressed up as Christianity right? If it wasn't for our people, you'd still be in the jungles of Africa, chucking spears and banging drums...and burning in Hell. We gave you True Christianity(tm) to be Saved(c). Indeed it was White Man's Burden we we've never got the proper appreciation and gratitude from your people for all our hard work.

[Brother Lazarus]

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Amen Brother Eliot! It never ceases to amaze me when folks present themselves as "Christians" but then proceed to tell us which parts of the Holy Word of God they DON'T follow. Cherry pickers! Liars! Blasphemers all!

So we are all growing beards? And not eating pork? Or crawfish?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I see Brother Eliot that you do not have a beard. I looked up Luther's reference and it sure looks like God requires a beard. I for one, am not going to shave anymore. How about you?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

Please quote the Scripture that says God commands us to grow a beard. As far as I know, we are commanded not to "round the corners" of our beard if we have one.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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So we are all growing beards? And not eating pork? Or crawfish?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

Are True Christians(tm) required to keep kosher?

No, since our Lord has specifically abolished those laws:

Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Since sea creatures are not mentioned in that passage, we have no idea whether or not lobsters and shrimps have been cleansed in the blood of Jesus, so we avoid eating them. But God has definitely cleansed all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Someone needs to listen more closely during Sunday Sermons.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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See, this is why I don't have a beard. I'm less photogenic. Would you donate to this guy? I don't think so.

My mission in life is to witness for Christ and bring souls to Him. How can I do that when I look like a creepy pedophile?

[eliot mayfield]

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Exactly!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Exactly!

Brother, you look like one of them Muslim Terrorists in that picture! It's a good thing you don't have a beard otherwise you'd never get past airport security.

[Brother Lazarus]

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Please quote the Scripture that says God commands us to grow a beard. As far as I know, we are commanded not to "round the corners" of our beard if we have one.

I would think that if we shave, we must be rounding the corners. Rounding them to the extent that they no longet exist. Since Leviticus 19:27 states that we cannont round our beards, does it not stand to reason that we must have a beard?

I found a place to review each of the 613 Mitzvot Luther mentioned. None appear from what I can see in violation of secular law. Perhaps the Pastors need to put out a helpful list to let us know to which Jesus says we are no longet bound to. I Know I could use one.
Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus