[OnYourKnees]

Re: I get it know

some parts of the Bible are very old and outdated.

Jesus seemed to think it was all quite current.

Tell me, how do you decide what is "outdated" and what is not?

Do you not think that God -- being omniscient -- could simply revise the Bible at will, if He felt that part of His Perfect, Complete, Unchanging Word was, as you put it, "outdated"?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Thank you Pastor Ezekiel. With all due respect, I already could tell that you understood the Bible. Your answer that I quoted is 100% correct for example. However, I addressed my question to Rae-est to try and get a better read on her. False Christians have a tougher time with those questions.

As for my use of the tetragrammaton, YHWH was the personal name of the God of Israel. I know that you TCs don't use that and I respect that, for some parts of the Bible are very old and outdated. Still, in the Old Testament, God showed a remarkable predilection for dung and slaves compared to in the NT where he starts revealing the horrors of brimstone. I find it elucidating to learn different people's opinions on that subject.

Old and outdated? Please point out which verses of THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD that you find no longer relevant.

We follow every page, paragraph, sentence, word and letter of God's Holy Word.

I would say that God is very consistent throughout the entire Bible on subjects such as slavery.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:9-10
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

[The Adversary]

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The first statement is untrue. God never claimed to be 100% "good", because that would just be mindless pandering.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.--Isaiah 45:7

Thank you Pastor Ezekiel. With all due respect, I already could tell that you understood the Bible. Your answer that I quoted is 100% correct for example. However, I addressed my question to Rae-est to try and get a better read on her. False Christians have a tougher time with those questions.

As for my use of the tetragrammaton, YHWH was the personal name of the God of Israel. I know that you TCs don't use that and I respect that, for some parts of the Bible are very old and outdated. Still, in the Old Testament, God showed a remarkable predilection for dung and slaves compared to in the NT where he starts revealing the horrors of brimstone. I find it elucidating to learn different people's opinions on that subject.

[OnYourKnees]

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But honestly, for this Church to work you guys would of actually had to of read the bible (seings how you seem to know alot of scriptures). Why take it this far? Are people really donating that much money to you were its worth worshipping God about it for this long.

My dear jalmquist, you are quite confused yet about religion and God.

You see, when God wrote the Bible, He intended for each person to read it, learn the rules, and follow the rules on his own. It's really very simple.

However, False Christians came along, and twisted God's word into the horrific, bigoted nonsense you see today.

First were the Catholics. They created a massive, worldwide organization which ran church and government. They instituted boy-buggery as part of their worship, among other Satanic rites such as cannibalism.

In order to wrest control from these perverted monsters, God had King James hire scribes, and re-dictated the Bible to them in English. This way, the common folk could understand it.

Then came many Protestant denominations. They never gained direct control of government, and stayed away from child molestation, but behaved in most other ways just like the Catholics!

All this while, Landover Baptist Church evangelized, but was often shouted down by False Christians who wanted to ignore parts of God's Word. You see, certain things made their members feel bad about themselves. Those people wouldn't come to church, and wouldn't donate any money. So, the False Christians created a False Christianity, which would cherry-pick Bible verses.

Most False Christians kept verses like those about homosexuals, because at the time, they didn't contribute much money to churches anyway. When slavery was popular, they preached about how Negroes were the children of Ham, and serving their God-ordained roles. But more and more of them ignored verses about divorce, or adultery, or any number of other things.

This way, the churches could keep most of their members donating, while also giving their members "worse sinners" to feel better than.

With the advent of the Internet, Landover was finally able to reach many millions of people with its message of hope and complete and utter unquestioning obedience to the Creator.

You see, we only want people to know the Truth about God and Jesus, which is why we spend our time volunteering for the Church. Nearly all of the 2.1 billion people who call themselves Christians are actually following a watered-down abomination, if not Satanism itself.

It is only when they see the Truth that they can choose either to follow Jesus -- by following the WHOLE Bible, every bit, not just that which is convenient -- or make a decision to reject Him honestly. They can decide for themselves, rather than being led down the garden path by liars and thieves, who pick their pockets while sending them along the broad path to Hell!

Is that not a worthy goal, jalmquist?

Would you prefer that we let the confused be deluded by Father Feelgood with lies and false comfort?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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But honestly, for this Church to work you guys would of actually had to of read the bible (seings how you seem to know alot of scriptures). Why take it this far? Are people really donating that much money to you were its worth worshipping God about it for this long.

We do not worship God for money, you fool. We worship God because if we don't, we'll all end up in hell for eternity with the likes of you.

Have you ever actually read the Bible?

[jalmquist]

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But honestly, for this Church to work you guys would of actually had to of read the bible (seings how you seem to know alot of scriptures). Why take it this far? Are people really donating that much money to you were its worth worshipping God about it for this long.

[Brother Temperance]

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Brother V, thank you for clarifying on the account questions I had. I appreciate the information. Also, I appreciate your interpretation of the verse from Hebrews as well.

To answer your question, let me say that I don't think there's any way Jesus would take comfort in knowing any soul was headed to hell. He was probably extremely sorrowful, and He didn't want any of them to go to hell despite the fact He knew His death had to happen to assure salvation.

It's a shame you're not sticking around, you seem reasonably bright, and I hate to think of you leaving here to continue your hellbound ways. Just a question: who do you think condemned the soldiers to Hell, if not Jesus? See, your artist analogy doesn't really work, because the artists probably wouldn't be the one condemning their own work to the incinerator, unless they were some crazy Gogol type, in which case they probably wouldn't mind burning it. But it is God (or, to put it another way, Jesus) that judges us and condemns sinners to Hell. Do you really think there's no way Jesus could have saved those soldiers' souls, if He really wanted to?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I agree that you come across as a salad bar Christian. Perhaps the disparity is due to the fact that you are both quoting a book that was written across time by many different authors? I'm new here too, but perhaps you could stick around long enough to answer a few questions? I am genuinely curious about people like yourself.

1) Do think the New Testament Holy Trinity you worship is the same god as YHWH, the god of the Old Testament?

Of course. God never changes.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

I'm not sure where you get this YHWH nonsense.

2) If so, why do you think that YHWH was so into slavery, obedience, martial slaughter, dung and the conflagration of live human bodies while Jesus & pals merely want to consign sinners to eternal damnation of the soul after they fail a Free Will test?

God is Jesus. There is no difference between them. Also the Holy Ghost.

3) I object to your statement that Jesus did not discriminate among humans when he clearly was slumming at all times. If he was not discriminatory, then why would he say things like "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man enter the Kingdom of Heaven"? Think about how many people you know that have personal wealth such as their own home. Jesus is planning on sending them to Hell unless you figure out a way to send large pack animals through small pocket dimensions right quick.

Jesus is an equal opportunity Saviour©. If you love Him and give your life over to Him and obey all 33,689 of His commandments as outlined in the Holy Bible, then there is no problem. If you don't, then you are asking for it.

4) You are bi-curious. How does this tie into your faith? The Bible commands "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Now, if you are female, this injunction doesn't really stop you from indulging in any manner of behavior with another woman. But don't you find this orientation of yours a bit hypocritical since men in your faith don't get away so easily?

"Bi-curious" is just another name for sodomite. With His great compassion, Jesus condemns all homers, including lesbians.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible.


5) God is ALL good. God is ALL powerful. Evil exists. Which of these 3 statements is untrue?

The first statement is untrue. God never claimed to be 100% "good", because that would just be mindless pandering.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.--Isaiah 45:7

You sound like a smart-mouth monkey-worshiper who thinks he knows more than True Christians™ do about the Word of God. As such, you are clearly hellbound and unable to comprehend the glorious message God has for you.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. --John 8:43

[The Adversary]

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Don't quote Scripture at me when you know very well there are other verses that back up my own claims. You people claim that I use only verses that I like, but look at what you're doing? Explain to me the disparity between the verses you posted and the ones I did, Pastor Ezekiel.

I agree that you come across as a salad bar Christian. Perhaps the disparity is due to the fact that you are both quoting a book that was written across time by many different authors? I'm new here too, but perhaps you could stick around long enough to answer a few questions? I am genuinely curious about people like yourself.

1) Do think the New Testament Holy Trinity you worship is the same god as YHWH, the god of the Old Testament?

2) If so, why do you think that YHWH was so into slavery, obedience, martial slaughter, dung and the conflagration of live human bodies while Jesus & pals merely want to consign sinners to eternal damnation of the soul after they fail a Free Will test?

3) I object to your statement that Jesus did not discriminate among humans when he clearly was slumming at all times. If he was not discriminatory, then why would he say things like "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man enter the Kingdom of Heaven"? Think about how many people you know that have personal wealth such as their own home. Jesus is planning on sending them to Hell unless you figure out a way to send large pack animals through small pocket dimensions right quick.

4) You are bi-curious. How does this tie into your faith? The Bible commands "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Now, if you are female, this injunction doesn't really stop you from indulging in any manner of behavior with another woman. But don't you find this orientation of yours a bit hypocritical since men in your faith don't get away so easily?

5) God is ALL good. God is ALL powerful. Evil exists. Which of these 3 statements is untrue?

[Star Finder]

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Rae-Est! don't leave!

You being here makes me look better. The pastors are always making fun of me because I am a cripple, and, well, because I worship rocks, but that's not important.

what's important is that you stick around to defend all the children which LBC is damming to hell. It's unfair and a voice of reason needs to stop it.

They won't listen to me.

[Rae-Est]

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You cannot delete your account. You can leave, but your account will live forever.

Which verse? the one about bastards? Nope, that's definately about God (who has been relatively hands off for the past 2000 years) letting others do the work for Him.

I've been wondering this for the past few days. Perhaps you can help me understand it.

When Jesus was being beaten by the Jews, and the Romans and all during the crucifixion days. Do you think he took a little comfort in knowing that the Romans who were doing the punishment would all be going to hell, as he hadn't opened up christianity to anyone other than Jews at the time?

YIC
V

Brother V, thank you for clarifying on the account questions I had. I appreciate the information. Also, I appreciate your interpretation of the verse from Hebrews as well.

To answer your question, let me say that I don't think there's any way Jesus would take comfort in knowing any soul was headed to hell. He was probably extremely sorrowful, and He didn't want any of them to go to hell despite the fact He knew His death had to happen to assure salvation.

In a different answer, let me ask you this. Would you be vindicated in knowing that the least of the artworks you had created, the ones that had caused you the most grief in the making, were headed to an incinerator? As an artist, you would be appalled, and Jesus, as Creator and thus artist, had to have been just miserable thinking about it.

Now that I have answered your question, I am leaving. I do not want to cause any more trouble or pose any more questions. I suppose my account will just have to remain without me behind it.

Thank you for your time and consideration in the matters I have posed. Brother V, I hope my question answers the one you posed, and if you were going to say that was how Jesus felt about me, then I would agree, to a point.

Jesus was grieved because He knew that I was going to hell, and then, I accepted Him into my heart. I claimed the Bible's truth that Jesus Christ is the only way for any man, woman, or child to be saved, and I acknowledged that, as a sinner, I had no part in heaven without His salvation. I prayed that Jesus would forgive my sins and fill my heart with His Holy Spirit, and He did. I know I am going to heaven when I die, and I strive to live for Jesus in everything I do. I am now a child of the King, and He alone casts judgment on me; I do not pretend to be perfect because I am not, and I hope I have made my case. You might still think I am headed for hell, but God and I both, not any other person, are the ones who really know. Until that day when I see Him face-to-face, you cannot assume anything other than the fact that I do not believe as you do.

Again, I thank you for your time. You are welcome to comment on this post, but know that I will not be responding anymore. You are welcome also to say what you will about me; I cannot and will not try to stop you. I pray that the amazing love and incredible grace of God flows into this place and overwhelms you all with the truth of God's Holy Word.

[Brother V]

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I'll take God's rebukes as He gives them, and trust me, He has definitely rebuked me in the past. I don't think that verse you quoted is referring to human chastisement though, and I still would appreciate if you would tell me how to delete my account.

Beyond that, I suppose I should also be thankful that I am suffering persecution, but even Jesus wiped His hands of His own hometown when they rejected Him so severely.

You cannot delete your account. You can leave, but your account will live forever.

Which verse? the one about bastards? Nope, that's definately about God (who has been relatively hands off for the past 2000 years) letting others do the work for Him.

I've been wondering this for the past few days. Perhaps you can help me understand it.

When Jesus was being beaten by the Jews, and the Romans and all during the crucifixion days. Do you think he took a little comfort in knowing that the Romans who were doing the punishment would all be going to hell, as he hadn't opened up christianity to anyone other than Jews at the time?

YIC
V

[Rae-Est]

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Feel free to insult us (ME) as much as you want. It lets me know that I am doing the right thing.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

You should accept the criticism, scorn, and name calling from who-ever you think is not a follower of Jesus Christ. You should EMBRACE it. That is how you know you are doing well.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

Friend, that's Jesus speaking.

Friend, the name calling weeds out those who just come here to see if they can shock us with a simple story of depravity (normally by a 12 year old who then will make some kind of "OMFG i totally am 12 and you ppl sck" post)

Remember, only the children of God that are loved are rebuked.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Is that what you want?

YIC
V

I'll take God's rebukes as He gives them, and trust me, He has definitely rebuked me in the past. I don't think that verse you quoted is referring to human chastisement though, and I still would appreciate if you would tell me how to delete my account.

Beyond that, I suppose I should also be thankful that I am suffering persecution, but even Jesus wiped His hands of His own hometown when they rejected Him so severely.

[Brother V]

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Brother V, I thank you for your kind message, and I appreciate what you have said. I am familiar with John 3:18, and I do believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I do not consider myself a part of those who do not believe.

Even so, I see no point to remain here. The judgment of people who don't know me is a bit harsher than I'd expected, and there is no point for me to be here when we will never come to an agreement.

My claim to be a Christian seems to be ignored in favor of calling me all kinds of names, and while I admit that I have insulted people here, most of those insults were out of frustration that I could not get a legitimate debate. I apologize for the name-calling, though; that was rude and immature of me.

Again, I apologize for insulting the people here; it's not like me to do things like that. I will do my utmost not to insult anyone again. As I said before, if you will kindly show me the way out of here, I will be gone, and you can get back to what you were doing.

Feel free to insult us (ME) as much as you want. It lets me know that I am doing the right thing.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

You should accept the criticism, scorn, and name calling from who-ever you think is not a follower of Jesus Christ. You should EMBRACE it. That is how you know you are doing well.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

Friend, that's Jesus speaking.

Friend, the name calling weeds out those who just come here to see if they can shock us with a simple story of depravity (normally by a 12 year old who then will make some kind of "OMFG i totally am 12 and you ppl sck" post)

Remember, only the children of God that are loved are rebuked.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Is that what you want?

YIC
V

[Bobby-Joe]

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Again, I apologize for insulting the people here; it's not like me to do things like that. I will do my utmost not to insult anyone again. As I said before, if you will kindly show me the way out of here, I will be gone, and you can get back to what you were doing.

Friend,

There is no need to apologize to us because as TRUE Christians™ we have already forgiven you in ways and sinner like you could never understand without Jesus' help. Friend, all my brethren were doing was applying some tough love to you in the hopes that you could see the strangle hold Satan has over your soul. You claim to be a Christian and love Jesus, do you not want to learn THE TRUTH™ of His Goldy word? By THE TRUTH™ I do not mean the cut and paste nonsense what ever so called preacher dumped on you but THE TRUTH™ so precious we have to type it capital letters because it comes from His mouth.

You will only find it hear friend for we are the only people who do not put ourselves before God.