[InYourDreams]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

I like the cut of your jib Moabite! It is clear you are getting to grips with the Bible – I hope it’s KJV and not some reconstructed, lefty-lieberal version filled with political correctness though. So many evil men have interfered with the word of the Almighty, The Lord God of Hosts, for their own iniquitous ends.

So many False Christians baulk at such prophecies and histories as

2Ki:8:12: And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.

Or


Ho:13:16: Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Yet without this bloodline, Christ the Saviour might not have come and fulfilled the prophecies and died temporarily for our sins (which are many and grievous.)

God may call on us to perform such heroic deeds again, and we should be prepared to carry them out to the letter, as for example, in Iraq.

I'd like to point out that in 2Kings 8, it is very clear by reading more that Hazael was not speaking to Jesus, and that the man in fact who said these words to her was named Elisha. Also, he was clearly ashamed of the deeds Hazael would commit, and clearly calls it evil, should you read the chapter, rather than just quoting verses out of context.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Deaner, do you believe in Snow white, Cinderella or the BFG? Just because it is in a book doesn't make it fact. Come on I said educated responses, if your not going to take my query seriously how can I, or anybody, ever learn anything about what you guys are espousing?

We are here to praise Jesus. If you would like to know more about Landover Baptist Chruch then I suggest you start off by reading THIS post, and THIS one.

That, plus the Holy Bible.

Then, if you have any specific questions, you can make your own thread in the "Landover Help" section.

[Jim Boob]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Deaner, do you believe in Snow white, Cinderella or the BFG? Just because it is in a book doesn't make it fact. Come on I said educated responses, if your not going to take my query seriously how can I, or anybody, ever learn anything about what you guys are espousing?

[Deaner]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

you can never be 100 percent sure that your god actually exists.

Listen, I know you're not looking for a fight but sometimes I just get peeved at people. If God did not exist 100% why would there be an entire book written about Him?

[Jim Boob]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Lets just take a moment and really think about this guys, and I mean really think.
I don't want to come on your forum and through a load of abuse your way, I'm far too intelligent for that, and I daresay you guys have heard it all before.
However, in the interest of my curiosity, do you really believe that you don't have to a) worry about climate change, and b) think for yourselves, beyond the basic survival thoughts of feeding, clothing and housing yourselves.

My point being that for some reason human kind has the gift of thought, beyond all other animals on this planet and from what I can gather you believe that we should shun this massive gift and put all faith in an unseen, unheard character from a poorly articulated novel written hundreds of years ago. Does this mean that in 2000 years time we will all be worshipping Henry Chinaski, or Winston Smith?
As you can gather I have been raised, not as an aethist rather just without religion, therefore it is very curious and a bit worrying to read such fervant views from people when inspite of all your talk, you can never be 100 percent sure that your god actually exists.

Please don't be offended, I am genuinely interested to hear your responses, but intelligent responses, I am looking for educated points. I don't need to be preached at.

Cheers and have a good day

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

George Orwell, huh? Wasn't he *shock* a... SOCIALIST!?!??!

Hardly the religious fanatic a man like "Pastor Ezekiel" should be such a fan of..

In what way is using Newspeak a sign of admiration for Orwell? Have you bothered to read 1984 before opening your trap about it in our forums? Orwell was against Newspeak. God, of course, was for it, since he invented it, along with other languages, to keep the ancients from building a tower that would reach all the way up to heaven.

[Don the Baptist]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

George Orwell, huh? Wasn't he *shock* a... SOCIALIST!?!??!

Hardly the religious fanatic a man like "Pastor Ezekiel" should be such a fan of..

Not a very wise move to question the judgment of THE pastor like that you knucklehead unregenerate sinner.

[coffee_and_tv]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Obviously, you like George Orwell's Newspeak.

George Orwell, huh? Wasn't he *shock* a... SOCIALIST!?!??!

Hardly the religious fanatic a man like "Pastor Ezekiel" should be such a fan of..

[Freidenker]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Amen and doubleplus Amen!

Obviously, you like George Orwell's Newspeak.

Let us preserve this thread for posterity, that the multitude of vile sinners, heathens, God-mockers and joos who infest our forum, that they may find the love of Jesus quickly.

Obviously, you like Jews, too...

Heil Ezekiel!
(Heil means - With best wishes)

[Nobar King]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Here is an article that is making the rounds of the internet. Some fool with a crazy name (is he Basque?) put together the usual retard arguments against Christianity and has the nerve to publish it online. Don't bother to read it all, I only posted it so people would be aware that this kind of rubbish is out there:

The Final Debunking Of Christianity


By DARILAC SEMARGO-BLOBI

If you listen to Christians in the United States you might come away with the impression that they're a persecuted lot. They'll point to things like the opposition to the displaying of the Ten Commandments in public buildings, the opposition to prayer in public schools, and attempts by others to remove references to God from our currency, etc... However, if you take a close look at the real picture what you'll see is that it's really the other way around. It's the Christians who go around trying to persecute everyone else all the time.


The fact is it's the Christians who are always using the written text in the Bible, or their interpretation of it, to lash out at everyone else all the time. It is they who are always waging a war against gays. It is they who are always waging a war against people who are pro-abortion. It is they who are always waging a war against what our kids are taught, or aren't taught, in school - evolution, for instance. It is they who are always waging a war against gay marriage. And on and on...


I don't have anything against people worshiping Christianity. If the Christians would just go off amongst themselves and worship amongst themselves and mind their own business there would be no problem. But, unfortunately, that just simply is not the reality.


In recent years the Christians have taken to reminding us that the United States was founded by Christians. I interpret that to mean that they think that that gives them the right to force their ways down everyone else's throat. The Christians have also made it crystal clear that they even want to control the government in this country. They continuously threaten to withhold their support from political candidates who don't conform to their agenda. They give all the appearances of wanting to turn the United States into a Christian theocracy, a religious state. Some have even stated as much on record.


Well, my thinking is that if the Christians are always trying to force their ways on everyone else all the time, it's only fair that we take a close look at just exactly what the foundations are that their beliefs are based on. As much right as the Christians have to make claims about their faith, others have just as much right to question those claims. Although I can't go over all the issues that I have with it here, what follows is my take on Christianity.


Christianity's roots go back to a period of time when people weren't as enlightened as we are today. They go back to a time when people didn't understand things like why it rained, why the wind blew, why the sun came up, and even why people got sick, etc... The only explanation that those people could come up with was that there must've been some supreme being who was responsible for all of the things that they witnessed in the natural world, including life itself. It was that mentality that spawned the god that the Christians worship.


I'm not faulting the ancients for that mentality; it takes the human race time to acquire knowledge.


The ancients struggled with establishing rules and laws for governing human behavior. To try to generate some semblance of stability, they cooked up a list of what they thought were the most important areas of concern regarding human behavior that needed to be addressed. To try to give the list the image of higher authority, they made it appear to have originated from that supreme being I mentioned and not ordinary men. We know that list to be the Ten Commandments.


Here again, I'm not faulting the ancients for that mentality; it takes time for the human race to establish some semblance of law and order.


Christianity is based on the premise that an individual named Jesus Christ was the son of that same supreme being that the ancients believed in, the being the Christians refer to as God. I intend to demonstrate with relative ease how Christianity's foundations have all the stability of a house of cards.


Everything that we know about Jesus Christ is based strictly and entirely on hearsay. So right off the bat there's a credibility problem there - see how far hearsay evidence would get you in a court of law. However, if what the Christians say about their god and Jesus Christ is correct, there are certain things that one would reasonably expect to observe when one looks back in time.


The first issue that I have with Christianity is if Jesus Christ was the son of God then why didn't he tell the people during his time that the Earth was round and that it orbited the sun? It isn't unreasonable to expect that the son of the being who supposedly created the solar system would have known that. Why didn't Jesus tell people that there were huge continents on the other side of the planet that were inhabited by tens of thousands of people? Why didn't Jesus tell his followers about the things that make people sick? Wasn't healing supposed to be one of his things? Well, why didn't he tell people about viruses and bacteria? The reason, of course, is because Jesus obviously knew little about the natural world.


I'm sorry, folks, but that would've been a complete and total impossibility for someone who was really the son of the Creator. And to drive that point home even further, keep in mind that Christian scholars even claim that, according to certain passages in the Bible, Jesus and God were actually one in the same. God was Jesus. Jesus was God. The bottom line is that there's certain things that Jesus Christ should've known if he was really who the Christians say he was, but he didn't.


And there can be no question that Jesus' followers would've had all kinds of questions for him about the natural world, too. One would reasonably expect his teachings to be laced with an in-depth knowledge of nature, but where is it? Name one thing that we learned about the natural world or the solar system that we can attribute to coming from Jesus Christ. I mean, if he had just told people what the moon was doing up there I might be able to stretch my imagination a little bit. But the plain and simple truth is the so-called son of God didn't even know that the Earth was round. The reason, of course, is because Jesus was just an ordinary person, just like everyone else.


And that isn't the only thing about Jesus Christ that appears to fly in the face of what one would reasonably expect to observe from someone who was supposed to be the son of the Creator.


This might be open to debate, but I don't believe that it's possible for anyone to be the son of a being who supposedly had the capabilities that the Christians claim their god had without every mortal human being who comes in contact with him not instantly being overwhelmed by awe. I would have to believe that even people who came in contact with Jesus who didn't believe he was the son of God would've still been lit up. Irrespective of the Bible, those people would've wrote something like: "OK, we don't believe he's the son of God, but boy will he knock your socks off other ways." But we know that that just simply was not the case.


Outside of his inner circle, the Jews who came in contact with Jesus didn't believe he was the son of God. And I guarantee you that if they had they never would've been able to bring themselves to crucify him at the behest of the Romans. In fact, to this day some 2000 years after the fact, with the exception of the Messianic variety, the Jews still don't believe Jesus was the son of God. And apparently the Romans who came in contact with Jesus didn't believe he was the son of God, either. In fact, to them he was just some sort of rebel who had become such a nuisance that they had him crucified. But if Jesus had really been the son of God, the Romans would've been too overwhelmed by awe to have had him crucified. A more believable reaction would've been for them to bring him back to Rome and give him a parade worthy of a god.


People just need to use a little common sense here. There are certain events or reactions that an intelligent person would reasonably expect to see if the claims that the Christians make about their god and his son were true. The fact that there was apparently a very significant number of people who came in contact with Jesus who were not awestruck is more proof that he was just an ordinary person.


The next issue that I have with Christianity is why that place, that time and that method? If there was a god who created the universe and all life and that god wanted to send a message to the human race why choose a time when people still believed that the Earth was flat, when there wasn't any mass communications, and when people still rode camels to get around? When you throw in the language barriers that God's messenger would've encountered outside the region of contact, the method chosen seems to be a pretty poor choice for getting the job done. That would explain why to this day some 2000 years after the fact there's billions upon billions of people on this planet who still haven't gotten the message - in particular, Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists.


Pretty poor effort for a being who was supposed to have the capabilities that the Christians claim their god had. On the one hand he was supposed to have created the universe and all life, but on the other, when it came to being able to get a message across to the humans he was supposed to have created, the best he could do was to resort to a method that had zero chance of reaching everyone on the planet at that time, and even to this day.


That point in and of itself shoots down the credibility of the Christian god. I don't subscribe to the notion that a being could create the universe, create life, know everything there is to know about every human being, heal all the people he's attributed to healing, cast judgment on everyone when they die, do all that but only have relatively feeble capabilities when it comes to getting his message across to everyone on the planet at the same time. It just simply flies in the face of the capabilities that the Christians claim their god had.


If there is a god that has the capabilities that the Christians claim their god has and is as concerned about people as the Christians claim theirs is, we wouldn't have to rely on hearsay accounts of that god's existence that are thousands of years old. That god would, and could, make himself known in the here and now, in realtime, for everyone on the planet to see with their own eyes. Any god that can't do that will never have any credibility with me, nor will any religion that happens to be based on that god. The only evidence for the Christian god is supposedly people who thousands of years ago supposedly heard a voice.


Another issue regarding Christianity concerns what the Christians say happens after a person dies. According to them, after a person dies he or she is then judged by the Christian god to determine what their fate will be. Oh? I hope the Christian god has a lot of free time... he's going to need it.


In 2007 alone, the U.S. Census Bureau estimated that the total number of people who would die around the world that year would be equal to approximately 55,238,376 people. That breaks down to 151,338 a day, 6305 an hour, or 105 people a minute. To keep up with that rate of death God would literally have to cast judgment at a rate of almost two people per second. That would give God just .57 seconds to judge someone before having to move on to the next person. And because people don't stop dying, God would have to maintain that rate around the clock, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Is this starting to sound just a wee bit on the absurd side to you?


And keep in mind, at the same time God is supposedly casting judgment on people as they die, he's also supposedly doing all the other things the Christians claim he does such as healing people, watching out for people, memorizing everything that every person on the planet has done every minute of their life, etc...


(Insert joke here)


God must've had a particularly busy day back in December of 2004 when a powerful earthquake shook the Indian Ocean resulting in a massive tsunami that killed over 200,000 people in one day. That would've been on top of the 150,000 people around the world who might've died that day under normal circumstances. To keep up with the load that day God would've had all of a quarter of a second to judge a person before moving on to the next - and that would include travel time!


(Insert joke here)


Not only that, if what the Christians believe is true, because the vast majority of the people killed by the 2004 tsunami worshipped faiths other than Christianity, God would've just stepped in and sent those people on to hell. Boy, what a bad day those people must've had. First they lose their lives in a wall of water thirty feet high and then God comes along and says, "Oh, yeah, and by the way, Sucker, you're going to go to hell now, too."


(Insert joke here)


(That deserves two jokes)


I'm sorry but I cannot accept nor will I accept that a being could create the universe and all life and then have nothing better to do then to spend every second of the day, 365 days a year, just sitting back and waiting for people to die so that he can then step in and determine whether they've been good little Christians or not. If the Christians want to believe that that's fine. Just don't try to ram it down my throat.


And then there's the "hocus-pocus" syndrome. Despite the fact that you can point a telescope at the sky on any given night and see how stars and planets are born over time, the Christians prefer to believe that God waved his magic wand and went "hocus-pocus" and puff an Earth appeared.


And then there's the little red guy sprouting horns and a tail and carrying a pitch fork who the Christians refer to as the Devil. You know, the little guy who supposedly runs around trying to whiz in everyone's cornflakes all the time. One thing that the Christian god and the Devil have in common is that no one has ever seen either one of them. You just have to assume that they're there.


And then there's the matter of the dinosaurs. According to the biblical account of creation, humans and dinosaurs would've been created on the same day. What that would mean would be that at some point in time throughout human history, human beings and dinosaurs would have had to have coexisted with each other. Some Christians grasp at straws by pointing to disputed fossils in Texas that appear to show what look like human footprints alongside dinosaur tracks. But if dinosaurs and humans had ever coexisted no one would have to grasp at straws to prove it. Humans are meticulous record keepers. Even before there was written text people drew pictures to convey messages. In particular, prehistoric humans drew pictures on the walls of caves of the animals that they coexisted with. You won't find any pictures of dinosaurs.


In fact, if the biblical account of creation was true then dinosaurs might still be walking the Earth today because Noah would've tossed them on the Ark with him, right? And one could even argue that, if the biblical account was true, humans never could've existed beyond Adam and Eve and their immediate offspring because they almost certainly would've been eaten by dinosaurs. I can see T-Rex foaming at the mouth now!


It's just another question that confronts anyone scrutinizing the foundations of Christianity. In fact, it seems that everywhere one turns when it comes to Christianity they're confronted with more questions but little in the form of answers. The question is how many questions does there have to be before any intelligent person just writes it off for what it really is - fairy tale!


Scientists have already determined that based on what we know about the solar system and life, events as depicted in the 7 days of creation in the book of Genesis were a complete and total impossibility. And if that part of the Bible doesn't have any credibility then how does anyone attach any to anything that comes after it? I most certainly don't.


The thing that amazes me about Christianity is that some 2000 years after the fact people still believe this stuff. I can thoroughly understand how ancient civilizations became entrenched with that mentality. But now, still?


In conclusion I'm not going to mince any words here. At the risk of offending a lot of people, I'll state right up front that the foundations that Christianity is based on are sheer myth and sheer fantasy. The observable facts fly in the face of the claims. Anyone who really believes deep down in their mind that Jesus Christ was the son of God is delusional. Anyone who really believes the claims that the Christians make about their god is delusional. Anyone who believes in a little red guy sprouting horns and a tail and carrying a pitch fork is also delusional. And if Christians try to lay that guilt trip on you that Jesus died on the cross for you so that you could go to heaven, believe that only if you believe that the Christian god can judge people at a rate of almost two people per second, or greater, and maintain that rate for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.


I don't expect Christianity to go the way of the dinosaur anytime soon. There appears to be a natural human desire to want to believe that there's some sort of supreme being looking over your shoulder keeping an eye out for you. Religion fills that void; it's a crutch for some people. There's also a lot of people making a lot of money off Christianity. It's in reality just like a business or enterprise. As long as there's a buck to be made from it there'll be people who are going to pitch it. And as long as there's people who are willing to throw their hard-earned dollars at them, there's no telling how long it will go on.


One thing that I would like to see enacted is a worldwide ban on subjecting children to religious propaganda of any and all kind. Let people grow up free of religious brainwashing. After they become adults if they decide at that point in time that they want to become delusional then that's their prerogative.

These are obvioulsy just the insane rantings of some lowly anti-Christian.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

If it calls for stoning children to death, hey, who are we to say it's wrong ?

I like the cut of your jib Moabite! It is clear you are getting to grips with the Bible – I hope it’s KJV and not some reconstructed, lefty-lieberal version filled with political correctness though. So many evil men have interfered with the word of the Almighty, The Lord God of Hosts, for their own iniquitous ends.

So many False Christians baulk at such prophecies and histories as

2Ki:8:12: And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.

Or


Ho:13:16: Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Yet without this bloodline, Christ the Saviour might not have come and fulfilled the prophecies and died temporarily for our sins (which are many and grievous.)

God may call on us to perform such heroic deeds again, and we should be prepared to carry them out to the letter, as for example, in Iraq.

[moabite]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

If it calls for stoning children to death, hey, who are we to say it's wrong ?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Don't you ever do that again, heathen. This is a CHRISTIAN forum, not a place for you to post evilness for innocent Christians to see.

By the way, did you know that your buddy Anton LaVey was actually a hook-nosed joo who died penniless and insane?

Try that again and you'll get tossed into Quarantine, with the other demon pipsqueaks who thought they could strike fear into the hearts of True Christians™.

[snowblind]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

Myth: God wants us to be tolerant.

We hear this lie from the pit of hell so often, and it's so plainly anti-Scriptural, that it has its own thread.

WIth comments like that you would be better versed from this group of rules!!

The Nine Satanic Statements

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969

by Anton Szandor LaVey

[français]

1. Satan !
2. Satan !
3. Satan !
4. Satan !
5. Satan !
6. Satan !
7. Satan !
8. Satan !
9. Satan !


Stu

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Debunking common myths about Christianity

<Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Mark 3:28-29>

Brother Salvation Seeker,

It appears to my untutored eye that in his Holy Word, Jesus Christ is here differentiating between sins and blasphemies:- “All sins … and blasphemies” - the two are separate.

Blasphemies, I suppose, are dealt with as per Rev:21:8: “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

Sins are forgiven and blasphemies are mostly not.

I regret that Sanctus is now eternally damned having not only persisted in his blasphemies but also having rejected sage counsel, by refusing to accept The True Word™ of God.