Debunking common myths about Christianity

[SalvationSeeker]

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Salvation Seeker, I'm very curious as to how you translate "all" to mean "all sins but one." You make good points elsewhere in your post, and I'm thinking about them, but I don't see how all can mean all but one. All is not an ambiguous word.

Because that's what the Bible says.
So one could indeed say that God forgives all sins, except one. (See verse below)

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Mark 3:28-29

Maybe I should rather call it an unforgivable blasphemy or such;
But it's obviously an exception to a rule. (That God forgives all sin.)
(And exceptions to rules aren't unheard of, now are they?)
Thus: God forgives all sins, except one.

[Sanctus]

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Salvation Seeker, I'm very curious as to how you translate "all" to mean "all sins but one." You make good points elsewhere in your post, and I'm thinking about them, but I don't see how all can mean all but one. All is not an ambiguous word.

[SalvationSeeker]

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But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Luke 6: 26-27)

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. (Romans 12:14)

The reasons for this behavior can be summed up by these verses:

If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
Proverbs 25:21-22

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 5:11

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink:
For in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Romans 12:20

When you curse us and persecute us, you really bless us.
So we bless you right back, and heap some coals of fire on your head while at it.
Praise Jesus!

I will pray for your poor soul.
May God bless you.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
Matthew 5:9

Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
Psalms 34:14
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

And we ARE peacemakers and we DO seek peace. And just like our glorious hand-picked-by-God-president, the honorable George W Bush, has realized:
We too know the best way to attain peace is to slaughter everyone who may cause trouble.

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
I John 4:7-8

God is love and MORE. God is more than ONE thing, friend.
And we do love, we love our brothers and sisters.. Even you infact. -
Really, why do you think we try to save you from hell?
It's cause we love you, even though you are a disgusting scumbag.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

"The world" doesn't equal everyone and everything in it, I suggest you read the Holy Bible more..
Try reading verses in context sometimes?

This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

I John 4:9-11

This verse applies to us True Christians only.
For it says "since God so loved us" and since God hates sinners (Psalm 5:5) it means those who are sinfree.
And who's sinfree? True Christians like us. (1 John 3:6)
And it says that we True Christians are to love one another. And we do.

Notice that he loved us before we loved him. If God only loved the saved, he would never have sacrificed his Son- before the death of Jesus, we were all sinners.

You forget that God knows all things, and thus knew who would repent and love Him IN ADVANCE.
Thus, God died for those who would become Saved.
To think otherwise is to blaspheme His omnipotence.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I John 1:9

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:13

Yes, all sins except one.

There are many myths about Christianity, and the verses you presented do a good job of disproving them. But, according to the scriptures, these 3 topics are not myths, but the Word of God.
So, which Bible verses do we believe?

I believe the entire Bible, 100%.
And unlike you.. I'm not in the habit of taking verses out of context.

[Sanctus]

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Obviously you should follow EVERY verse in the Holy Bible, not just a few taken out of context like you are doing.

Could I not say the same to you? What are the verses listed above but a few verses, no more or less out of context than mine are?

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Luke 6: 26-27)

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. (Romans 12:14)

I'm not trying to attack Landover, and I apologize if that's the tone that's coming across. I'm trying to start a serious discussion. How can one verse saying that God hates sinners and another saying that he loves all people both be true? How can I accept that blasphemy is unforgiveable and that all sins will be forgiven?

If I'm misinterpreting the verses I'm quoting, please tell me where I'm wrong. But please don't just dismiss me with a condemnation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Hello

Please say your "hello's" in the Introductions thread. Feel free to introduce yourself there. One word posts are frowned upon.

[Peacely]

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Hello

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Obviously you should follow EVERY verse in the Holy Bible, not just a few taken out of context like you are doing.

And by the way, did you know that God hates a liar? Why do you keep trying to sneak back in here, when you are underage?

[Sanctus]

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1. "Jesus was all about peace."
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
Matthew 5:9

Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
Psalms 34:14

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

2. "Jesus loves everyone."

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
I John 4:7-8

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
I John 4:9-11

Notice that he loved us before we loved him. If God only loved the saved, he would never have sacrificed his Son- before the death of Jesus, we were all sinners.

8. "Jesus will forgive every single one of your sins if you repent."
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I John 1:9

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:13

There are many myths about Christianity, and the verses you presented do a good job of disproving them. But, according to the scriptures, these 3 topics are not myths, but the Word of God.
So, which Bible verses do we believe?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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What about the ten commandments? I would be more for christianity if it wern't a slave religion, and more of a militant one (especially after reading things I really feel it predicted), but the ten commandments seem to sound like it's trying to make people suckers.

I believe it's ok to do anything I want (to people who aren't like me) but to preserve myself first, and then my own kind.

Then you are a satanist, and thus hellbound.

[SedoAnteaProcella]

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What about the ten commandments? I would be more for christianity if it wern't a slave religion, and more of a militant one (especially after reading things I really feel it predicted), but the ten commandments seem to sound like it's trying to make people suckers.

I believe it's ok to do anything I want (to people who aren't like me) but to preserve myself first, and then my own kind.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Myth: God wants us to be tolerant.

We hear this lie from the pit of hell so often, and it's so plainly anti-Scriptural, that it has its own thread.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Glory! Amen and doubleplus Amen! Let us preserve this thread for posterity, that the multitude of vile sinners, heathens, God-mockers and joos who infest our forum, that they may find the love of Jesus quickly.

Christ was tortured, suffered and temporarily died for the Salvation© of those who worship him.

[Wash O'Hanley]

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Praise HIM and this glorious post that you have made on the most holiest of holidays.

[SalvationSeeker]

1. "Jesus was all about peace."
This is a common false teaching with no Biblical base.
Jesus Himself tells us, in a way that cannot be misunderstood, that we are not to believe it:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:34

And how could anyone forget Exodus 15:3?
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:3


2. "Jesus loves everyone."
WRONG! The Holy Bible tells us that God hate sinners.
And hate is the opposite of love, wouldn't you agree?

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psalm 5:5-6

The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

And as seen above, He hate the sinners themselves, not just their evil works.
God draws no difference between works and person, as everyone will be judged and rewarded according to their works:

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 16:27

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
And the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:12


3. "Christians aren't allowed to judge anyone."
Incorrect.
Instead, the Holy Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge, as long as we judge according to, and in, righteousness.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:15

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment:
Thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty:
But in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Leviticus 19:15


4. "Christians hate you if they rebuke you."
No, we don't! We are actually the only ones to love you enough to try and SAVE you!
We are the only ones who care enough about your worthless hide to bother and help you avoid hell.
Jesus Saves! And we urge you to accept Him before you die, as it will Save you from eternal hellfire.
True love is defined by God in the Holy KJV1611 Bible:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:2-3

Truly, God knows what's best for His own creations; to accept Jesus and all His commandments, rather than burn in hell.
We carry all of His commandments out, and we love Him, thus we love you; the unsaved trash, just as we try to Save you.
We may show you tough love.. We'll rebuke you, and chasten you. But we do it BECAUSE we love you.
Very much like God Himself:

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.
Job 5:17-18

Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;
Psalm 94:12

My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Proverbs 3:11-12

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Hebrews 12:6

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Revelation 3:19

So rebuking and chastening is the will of God, just as we are commanded to rebuke.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
But after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:2-4

^ This (2 Timothy 4:3-4) is what we see happening today:
The love of God and His commandments is gone, and thus, the love of His creation:
People are being led towards eternal hellfire by feelgood preachers teaching pretty lies to "spare feelings."
Fags are being married in false churches! Women try to act like teachers!
Alll forbidden by God in His sound doctrine, His eternal truth, His Word; the Holy KJV1611 Bible.

It is as the Holy KJV1611 Bible, the Word of God says:
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 7:5-6

AM I THEREFORE BECOME YOUR ENEMY, BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH?
Galatians 4:16


5. "Jesus did away with the Old Testament law."
Not true in any way.
Jesus Himself denies it on several occasions.

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? How readest thou?
Luke 10:25-26

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:
But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3-4

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:17-18

And so, when will heaven and earth pass, and all be fulfilled?
REVELATION, CHAPTER 21!

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
And God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
And there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 21:1-6

Some will tell you that by being the fullfillment of the law, Jesus removes it (i.e destroys it) not only is this contradicted by the verse itself.
But also because sin is the transgression of the law!
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4

^ So without law; there could be no sin!
But there is sin, and as the Holy scriptures say:

What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:15

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1 John 3:6

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
1 John 3:7

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:13


6. "You need only believe in Jesus to get into heaven."
This is true, but very misunderstood.
True faith ALWAYS carry works, so if your faith is true, works will ALWAYS follow.
Works without faith however, cannot save you anymore than faith without works!

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say,
Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:17-20

So if your faith lack works, your faith is dead, and you have the faith of a devil;
You know of God, but you do not follow Him. And it will do you no more good than it does a devil.
Your reward will be eternal hellfire.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 6:46

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:13


7. "You don't need to believe everything in the Bible."
Absolutely wrong, Jesus tells us that's EXACTLY what we must do!
We must believe EVERY little word: all of the Holy Bible, 100% of it!
It is as important for your Salvation, as eating food is to sustain your life.

But he answered and said, It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know;
That he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deuteronomy 8:3

If you don't believe in every word, it is like not beliving in a part of Jesus Himself, for Jesus is the Word made flesh!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14


8. "Jesus will forgive every single one of your sins if you repent."
This is an unbiblical lie straight from the pits of hell! The Holy Bible tells us that there is a sin which is never forgiven.
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Mark 3:29


9. "Babies always go to Heaven if they die."
This is unbiblical crybaby nonsense that has no scriptural support whatsoever.
For nobody is innocent, clean, pure, or sinfree in God's eyes by their own accord:

How then can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Job 25:4

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
There is none good but one, that is, God.
Mark 10:18

Babies can be wicked, and most wicked were BORN wicked. This is a Biblical fact.
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3

As is the fact that everyone (that includes babies) who doesn't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Saviour, will perish!
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16