[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I know so many good people that I love that aren't Christians. Should I just drop them? All because of that?

Yes.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and I did. Mark had already asked me which ones I disagreed with and I posted them (which you obviously didn't read).

I did read it. I gave you an infraction for it. Were you trying to say you disagree with every single thing in the article?

How's that introduction thread coming along? We'd like to get to know you better.

[mbizaare]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Atheists are among the meanest and most vile people on Earth.

Perhaps you are confusing the fervor of True Christians™ with bullying. Winning souls for Jesus is not a gentle peaceful activity. Sometimes to get through to lost souls, we have to shake things up.

Depends on the person. Being atheist dont automatically make you mean and vile haha. Don't know why you think that. I've seen some pretty mean and vile Christians. But I know not all are.

and shake things up? Wouldn't you just rather live in peace?... Seems a bit better.

[mbizaare]

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Yes.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?



I did read it. I gave you an infraction for it. Were you trying to say you disagree with every single thing in the article?

How's that introduction thread coming along? We'd like to get to know you better.

Sorry, bud. I'm not dropping family. Family is more important, especially right now for me.

and *facepalm* Oh, sir. You definitely put a smile on my face.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Depends on the person. Being atheist dont automatically make you mean and vile haha. Don't know why you think that. I've seen some pretty mean and vile Christians. But I know not all are.

and shake things up? Wouldn't you just rather live in peace?... Seems a bit better.

Sure, it would be easier to sit on our lazy buttocks and just let all non-believers go to hell, but Jesus commands us to preach his message everywhere.

Mark 16:15 (1611 King James Bible)

And he said vnto them, Goe yee into all the world, and preach the Gospel to euery creature.

Acts 10:42 (1611 King James Bible)

And he commanded vs to preach vnto the people, and to testifie that it is he which was ordeined of God to be the Iudge of quicke and dead.

2 Corinthians 10:16 (1611 King James Bible)

To preach the Gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another mans line of things made ready to our hand.

Why do you suggest we disobey Jesus? Have you not studied the Word of God, friend? You seem not to have any idea what it means to be a True Christian™.

[mbizaare]

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Sure, it would be easier to sit on our lazy buttocks and just let all non-believers go to hell, but Jesus commands us to preach his message everywhere.

Why do you suggest we disobey Jesus? Have you not studied the Word of God, friend? You seem not to have any idea what it means to be a True Christian™.

Not sure that I'd want to be. Standing in judgment over others is for God to do. Not us. If you believe then great. You're going to heaven but instead of spending what little time you have on earth in a stressful, hateful battle against others why not just live your life in a loving, peaceful way? Its not the lazy way. Just the better way. And whatever his name can give me infractions all he wants. I'm not crying over it. you're cool,mark. I don't like the other guy.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Not sure that I'd want to be. Standing in judgment over others is for God to do. Not us.

Judging is for us. Where does the Bible say we shouldn't judge?

[mbizaare]

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Judging is for us. Where does the Bible say we shouldn't judge?

if you have actually read the bible then you would know. It says when we die we will stand before him in judgement. Absolutely no where does it say we humans are required to judge the fuck out of people.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

if you have actually read the bible then you would know. It says when we die we will stand before him in judgement. Absolutely no where does it say we humans are required to judge the piffle out of people.

We CAN Judge Others!

Not only can you not find a single instance where judging in itself is prohibited, you find many verses which command us to judge!

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

...And so on. We can see from the verses above that God does allow judgment under certain conditions, namely: Only True Christians™ can judge. We are righteous (notice all the references to righteous judgment) and therefore the only ones capable of judging others. Conversely, those that are unsaved have no right to judge at all. So, God does have limits placed on judgment and those are the limits.

Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge. Period. I hope this exegesis of Matthew 7:1-5 has been enlightening for you and and you will refrain from looking like an idiot in the future by claiming that "Jesus said we can't judge others".

And please watch your language. This is a Christian forum.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Not sure that I'd want to be. Standing in judgment over others is for God to do. Not us. If you believe then great. You're going to heaven but instead of spending what little time you have on earth in a stressful, hateful battle against others why not just live your life in a loving, peaceful way? Its not the lazy way. Just the better way. And whatever his name can give me infractions all he wants. I'm not crying over it. you're cool,mark. I don't like the other guy.

That we are directed by God to judge seems to not be taught in most supposedly Christian churches.

1 Corinthians 2:15 (1611 King James Bible)

But he that is spirituall, iudgeth all things, yet he himselfe is iudged of no man.

We are not to judge our brothers and sisters in Christ, but nonbelievers we are to judge harshly and publicly rebuke.

1 Timothy 5:20 (1611 King James Bible)

Them that sinne rebuke before all, that others also may feare.

By the way, Dr. Pendergast is one of the most knowledgeable and respected of our Church Elders. You would do well to read his posts and learn from his wisdom, as I have. You will find he is as cool as they come.

Now, how about posting that introduction, friend.

[mbizaare]

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And please watch your language. This is a Christian forum.

*** negroidial talk removed *** Pim. I'm pretty sure you are pulling those "verses" straight out of your *** negroidial talk removed *** Sounds like utter *** negroidial talk removed *** . But then everything from the bible is utter *** negroidial talk removed *** and you are a fool believe it literally. I think you are just *** negroidial talk removed *** that the God actually don't want you to judge others. Seeing as the bible says that ALL humans sin and do wrong. Especially Christians.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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*** negroidial talk removed *** Pim. I'm pretty sure you are pulling those "verses" straight out of your *** negroidial talk removed *** Sounds like utter *** negroidial talk removed *** . But then everything from the bible is utter *** negroidial talk removed *** and you are a fool believe it literally. I think you are just *** negroidial talk removed *** that the God actually don't want you to judge others. Seeing as the bible says that ALL humans sin and do wrong. Especially Christians.

Please show me IN CONTEXT where Jesus tells us to NEVER judge.

Trust me: I'll check your math on this one.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Didymus Much]

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*** negroidial talk removed *** Pim. I'm pretty sure you are pulling those "verses" straight out of your *** negroidial talk removed ***...

If you hover your mouse or cursor over the verse link, it will pop up in a little window, and you will plainly see that Dr. Pederast has altered NOTHING. Not one word, not even a lowly comma.

Even better, check every last Bible reference on the site against that KJV you supposedly read (yeah, right).

They match perfectly, don't they?

So, who is giving you teh REAL DEAL, the Word of God™ (as revealed to us in the King James Bible)?

This will go so much easier is you don't fight it, just let it happen. Good. Like that, yeah.

...Seeing as the bible says that ALL humans sin and do wrong...

WHERE??!? Scripture or STFU, thanks!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Have you not studied the Word of God..?

I don't think he has a Bible to study. Here's a link for him.

Sorry, bud. I'm not dropping family. Family is more important, especially right now for me.

Isn't that called patriolatry? Jesus is quite clear about families:

LUKE 14:26 [Jesus speaking] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Don't take my word for it. Look it up here .. context

Mr Snyde, he keeps saying things like:

They are human and the bible says to love everyone equally.

..and I'm very sensitive and am worried that The Bible which guarantees Eternal Life might have been misrepresented to me. I've never read that in The Bible, and was hoping to see the cruel remark supported in some way. Has he posted any Scripture at all yet? Then it just gets worse and worse:

Being atheist dont automatically make you mean and vile haha. Don't know why you think that.

Yes it does. No, that's not some idea I just cooked up and it's not something that any Christian ever needs to "think" BECAUSE we know it's true. God is most explicit:

PSALM 14:1-3a (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: look up

That's some pretty solid provenance right there. Let's see what God has to say about atheists:

• Atheists are all fools . .. . . http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/fool
• Atheists are corrupt . . . . . http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/corrupt
• Atheism is abominable . . . http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/abominable
• Atheists are solid bad there is none that doeth good
• Atheists lack understanding
• Atheists do not seek God
• Atheists have all gone aside
• Atheists are all filthy . .. . . http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/filthy

God made the world and knows everything about it. He knows all about atheists. And God does not want me groping around in the dark like a mole or earthworm. God has told me what He knows about atheists so that I will know too. He has told every Christian (and anyone else who reads The Bible for that matter). No need for ideas. No need to distill ½ baked "opinion" here.

But I don't think he's read anything at all.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Sadly Sister, there are many who simply refuse to seek the wisdom God has so graciously provided to us in His Word. They seem to be willing to walk way out of their way to avoid God's beautiful truths.

Sister Mitza, you need not worry, you seem to have an excellent grasp of God's Word.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Sadly Sister, there are many who simply refuse to seek the wisdom God has so graciously provided to us in His Word. They seem to be willing to walk way out of their way to avoid God's beautiful truths.

Yes. But why, if they either haven't read it or don't believe it, do they prate as Scriptural things The Bible does not say?

For example, not knowing much about communism, I'm trying to read the communist manifesto [Marx & Engels 1848] it is very boring. Not to mention tart central:

But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus . . . nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce free love; it has existed almost from time immemorial. Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other's wives. (Ah, those were the days!) Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized system of free love. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of free love springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.

It's in SECTION II

Talk about obsessional!! . . . . . Jesus knew what was coming up and warned us.

I'm also reading Mein Kampf [Hitler 1925] which is even more boring, and having to associate with nutters more frequently these days lead me to glance over Madness and Civilization [Foucault 1964]

pp93ff In madness, the totality of soul and body is parceled out: not according to the elements which constitute that totality metaphysically; but according to figures, images which envelop segments of the body and ideas of the soul in a kind of absurd unity. Fragments which isolate man from himself, but above all from reality; fragments which, by detaching themselves, have formed the unreal unity of a hallucination, and by very virtue of this autonomy impose it upon truth . . . The act of the reasonable man who, rightly or wrongly, judges an image to be true or false, is beyond this image, transcends and measures it by what is not itself; the act of the madman never oversteps the image presented . . . The man who imagines he is made of glass is not mad, for any sleeper can have this image in a dream; but he is mad if, believing he is made of glass, he thereby concludes that he is fragile, that he is in danger of breaking, that he must touch no object which might be too resistant, that he must in fact remain motionless, and so on. Such reasonings are those of a madman; but again we must note that in themselves they are neither absurd nor illogical. On the contrary, they apply correctly the most rigorous figures of logic.

https://archive.org/details/MichelFo...ndCivilization

So when talking to maniacs, such as atheists and socialists, I may at least have some notion of what they're on about. Jesus explains that both groups (socialists, nazis, atheists and mad people) are really just one group and that they are demon possessed. It is unnecessary for any Christian to look farther than Jesus of course, but I do have to feed myself so wind up in awkward situations occasionally. Quoting from any of those works clears up misunderstanding I have found in the work environment.

Which brings me back to the original point: why, if they either haven't read it (ignorance) or don't believe it (madness), do they prate as Scriptural things The Bible does not say?