[ExGay Alex]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Splotchy, you have an ugly tendency to take a perfectly reasonable position, recast it as an extreme, put words in other people's mouths, and then point and say "SEE??!! An extremist!" I re-read the original post. It tells children how to make a donation, but at no point does it say "without your parents' permission." You made this whole thing up.

.... namely encouraging children to break the law of the land (by means of theft)

Where does the offer encourage children to break the law? There is nothing in there about stealing.

.... and also, encouraging children to hate their parents, when both of these actions are in DIRECT VIOLATION of your own laws and doctrines as stated in your own bible.

Goodness, you are tiresome, Spitchy.

There is absolutely no contradiction in the Bible. Honor thy father and mother is a commandment of God, and yes children should do that. HOWEVER, Lord Jesus tells us that we must STILL love Jesus MORE than our own parents, and this is perfectly reasonable since our parents did not die for more than two whole days for our sins. This is in Matthew 10:37.

Luke 14:26, which is cited in the original offer, is simply another way of stressing the greatest commandment to us, to Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37). When we love Christ above all, we point people to Christ and His undying love in the gospel.

Therefore, there is no contradiction in a child choosing to tithe and give to the church, in particular a True Christian church such as ours, when in so doing the child will demonstrate a love for Christ that is greater than the love for his parents. In fact, doing so will demonstrate this love to Jesus and encourage the child's own salvation.

In fact, failure to donate to Landover as described in the offer is dangerous for the soul of the child as it encourages the child to put his parents ABOVE Jesus!! Why are you so cruel and heartless that you want to send children to HELL, Spoogey??.

The Bible passages you cite to not mention Christ at all. They apply as a general rule, but not when compared to the love for . You must read THE WHOLE BIBLE, Spoogeyface, not just cherry-pick the parts you like.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, your jealousy is really quite disgusting. Have you spoken to a Pastor about it? You know, if you give to Jesus, he will return the gift tenfold!

Somehow, my most previous reply has been deleted - not for the first time. Well, this is a "mystery" indeed. Perhaps it's God himself! Or... perhaps it is a bunch of Pastors and/or moderators who are afraid of the truth and their own sins.

Nevertheless, I am happy to set the sinners straight so will type my reply out again.

Your copy & paste is an amusing read, but does not address either of the two issues i have raised in my previous post; namely encouraging children to break the law of the land (by means of theft) and also, encouraging children to hate their parents, when both of these actions are in DIRECT VIOLATION of your own laws and doctrines as stated in your own bible. If you are confused about this, i can directly quote you from King James bible again to point out the violations that are taking place.

Tell me, what type of church is this, where the bible and the words of Jesus is not respected? Is this church so desperate for money / donations that they render the words in the bible as meaningless?

You're a smart guy, no doubt, so instead of skating around the topic, how about you actually address these two issues i have highlighted?

To clarify: i have NO ISSUE with giving money in the name of God, and i fully support this. I have AMPLE ISSUE with the means of how said money is being accrued.

I have provided you (in my previous posts) with proof and direct quotes from your scripture as to how this act which this church has carried out is not in line with the teachings of Christ, and yet not one of you have been able to successfully refute these claims. No surprise there.

Why is that, good people of Landover Baptist Church?

Can any of you justify your immoral and illegal acts (according to your own scripture)?

[James Hutchins]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, your jealousy is really quite disgusting. Have you spoken to a Pastor about it? You know, if you give to Jesus, he will return the gift tenfold!

Within the last fifty years many thousands of people have read John Hoshor's wonderful, SEED MONEY: THE LAW OF TENFOLD RETURN AND HOW IT WORKS. They have grasped the scientific principle behind the Seed Money Formula and have successfully applied it in their daily lives to end their money troubles. Others have not, for various reasons. This book is to help people get to prosperity, who didn't get it the first time.
John Hoshor wrote [in a booklet published by the Church of Religious Science] : "Let us imagine that we have $50 in U.S. currency. We could put the money in a savings bank and it would return us approximately $2 a year. We could buy a mortgage certificate and get a return of $3 or even $4 a year. Or we might use the money to buy a share or, depending on the price, several shares of stock in some corporation, perhaps get dividends and, provided we bought at the right time and sold at the right time, make a profit on the transaction."
"Of course, we could also use the $50 for food, rent, clothing, books, tools or for other needs or just for pleasure. . . . That is why money is the medium of exchange. It can be used for many things."
"One of the things for which money can be used--which at this writing is not generally known--is as SEED MONEY. This means that we can so use money thaqt we reap a harvest of multiplied money."
Here are a few of the blocks that some people have had using the Seed Money Principle.
A retired man called me long-distance from California. He said that he has read SEED MONEY, followed the formula faithfully, but could not get a return. It seemed that his greatest joy in retirement was driving his car on vacation. One day the old car just gave out--it couldn't go another mile and it had to be towed to a wrecking yard. For two months the man tried to use Seed Money to demonstrate enough money to buy a new car. He gave his Seed Money to his Church, believing he would get a tenfold return. But nothing happened.
He seemed to understand the principle clearly and to have complete faith in its workings. He puzzled me for a while. Then he said, "I better hang up. The call costs too much filthy money."
I asked, "Why do you say that money is filthy?"
His reply gave me the answer to his failure to receive his tenfold return: "Isn't money the root of all evil?" [1 Tim 6:10] he asked.
I told him: "The Bible doesn't say that 'money is the root of all evil.' It says, 'the love of money is the root of all evil,' and even that needs explanation. In Biblical days money as we know it today was very seldom used. Most exchanges were on the barter system. A carpenter would exchange a table for some bushes of grapes. A farmer would exchange grain for clothing, and so on. Money, in gold and silver, was only used for large transactions.
Today money is a universal medium of exchange for all goods and services. When we fix it firmly in our minds that the service that money provides is different from the love of gain, profit and advantage, then we can positively view money as a tool, not as a goad or something to hoard.
The Bible says you 'cannot serve God and mammon.' [Luke 16:13] Mammon represents hoarded money--that which is not placed into circulation. Money in circulation is God in action. Money which is hoarded is useless, for money is merely the medium of exchange.
I said to the man who called me, "You have had a hatred of money because you thought it was evil. Since like attracts like, you have attracted the hatred of money back to you, returned you no good even for the good you have done."
"Don't think of money as a dead object of greed. Think of it as a living means of acquiring your needs--good for yourself and for others. Right now, money should represent for you the car that will give you mobility and options--both of which are good."
He thanked me and two weeks later I heard from him again. "It's marvelous," he said with great joy in his voice. "I received my tenfold return. Yesterday my married daughter drove up from Los Angeles in her Volkswagen. She gave me the keys, telling me that her husband had just bought her a new station wagon so that they and their children could go on camping trips in the mountains. She knew that my old car had given out, so insted of selling the Volkswagen, she gave it to me."
"Wonderful," I said.
"You know," he said, "once I realized that it wasn't money for money's sake that I wanted but the good I could buy with it, I overcame that mental block. The Volkswagen is worth even more than ten times my Seed Money, and on top of that it doesn't use as much as as my old car--I can travel much farther for the same money."
This is just one illustration how a person's changing their concept of money enables the use of the Seed Money Principle.
Every creative act begins with a thought. Have you been thinking of money as evil? Or, have you been thinking of money as the good that it represents and manifests in your life?
John Hoshor wrote: "Just how do we plant seed money? What happens when we do plant it? . . . We give it to our Church or to a hospital, school or college or to any of the Social Service organizations which subsist on donations. Or, if we wo wish, we could give it to any needy person, friend or stranger."
Then we follow a specific mental formula derived from the Great Teacher aqnd proven absolutely true and dependable by such financial giants as the first John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Julius Rosenwald, Andrew Mellon and others of great wealth."
"With perfect safety, without any risk whatever, our seed money so planted will return to us tenfold. We will receive back $500."
The second block often found in people who have not yet succeeded in practicing the Principle of Seed Money is this: many people don't understand how the giving of Seed Money produces its tenfold return without any risk whatever. But it is a fact. The Law of Tenfold Return always works. There is absolutely no risk whatever in the Principle of Seed Money. If you do not follow the formula precisely, there is risk, but then you are not actually practicing the Principle.
I received a rather irate letter from an airplane stewardess flying on charter flights out of Chicago. She wrote: "Mr. Hoshor's Seed Money doesn't work. I know because I tried it. When I fly to Las Vegas I play the slot machines. Sometimes I win. With Seed Money I don't get back a dime."
Writing back to her I gently informed her that the Seed Money Principle itself always works but that she apparently is not really practicing it.
As illustration I wrote that the Principle of the Parachute is itself infallible. A properly made, properly packed, properly checked, and properly used parachute never fails to open.
If the parachute is not made properly, is not packed properly, is not checked properly or is not used properly it will not open. That is not the fault of the Principle of the Parachute or of the parachute itself. It is the fault of the persons or persons who made, packed, checked or used the parachute.
The Principle of Seed Money works in the same way as the Principle of the Parachute, or as any other Principle, for that matter. If the Principle isn't properly applied you aren't working the Principle.
The Seed Money Principle is not a gamble such a slot machine or a lottery. When you think that you may get your tenfold return from "planting" some Seed Money -- you won't. When you believe that you will get a tenfold return on your Seed Money, you will.
Jesus said, "What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." [Mark 11:24] He did not say that you won't have them. He did not say that you might have them. He said that you shall have them.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, giving to God and His disciples is good. Do you really hate God so much to begrudge hime a few pennies?

Once again, sadly, you are very mistaken.

I did not say that one shouldn't give money in the name of God, did i? Feel free to point to my post which stated that you (or anyone) should not be donating money in the name of God and his infinite charitable causes.

My issue, which i am sure you are well aware of, is to do with the MEANS of how this money is being obtained.

Is this church so desperate for donations that they blindly break their own laws and doctrines, as i have highlighted and you have failed to refute? Namely: encouraging children to steal from their parents and break the law of the land, and to also hate their parents, which directly contradicts what your Saviour has taught and preached.

It has not gone unnoticed how you how side-stepped these points i raised in my previous post.

I look forward to you directly addressing those points.

[James Hutchins]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, giving to God and His disciples is good. Do you really hate God so much to begrudge hime a few pennies?
Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Haggai 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Mark 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
Mark 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
Mark 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mark 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

1st Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
James 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

How can a person steal what is already owned by them?

Friend, you are an incredibly selfish and deluded person.
James 3:14-16
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.


This about sharing with God. Don't you think God deserves a token of our gratitude?
2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

I think you're mistaken friend.

In the law of the land (America, shall we say), if a child takes money from the parents without permission, it will be theft, and will be treated as theft. There have been thousands, if not millions, of instances of this happening.

Now, tell me, does it not state in your doctrine that you must follow and obey the secular laws? Is this not stated in your bible?

So why would you encourage children to break secular laws? This is against your own doctrine.

On top of this, i have quoted from your bible verses praising and promoting respect to parents. Why has this church been asking children to hate their parents? This is again breaking your own doctrine. Very strange.

I am sad to see such misguided people with confused ideas.

Of course, we both know why this is the situation.

[James Hutchins]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

According to Basilissa, and Luke, apparently not:

Luke 14:26 - If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Theft is theft.

Or, if you should you return home one day, and find that your son has sold your house and kept all the money for himself, i'm sure that would be perfectly acceptable to you?

How can a person steal what is already owned by them?

Friend, you are an incredibly selfish and deluded person.
James 3:14-16
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.


This about sharing with God. Don't you think God deserves a token of our gratitude?
2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, are not children part of a family? Is not money a possession of the family, like a slice of bread? Do you want to deny the sharing of daily bread?

According to Basilissa, and Luke, apparently not:

Luke 14:26 - If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Theft is theft.

Or, if you should you return home one day, and find that your son has sold your house and kept all the money for himself, i'm sure that would be perfectly acceptable to you?

[James Hutchins]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Friend, are not children part of a family? Is not money a possession of the family, like a slice of bread? Do you want to deny the sharing of daily bread?

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

What sins? Hating our parents is what Himself told us to do:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 15:4 - For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Ephesians 6:1 - Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Ephesians 6:2 - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

It would seem there is a contradiction in your own bible, which of course does not make sense. How can there be a contradiction? How can you hate your father and mother, if also, it is warned that should you curse your parents, you will die. It has also been commanded to honour your parents. Hmmm.

Lets move onto the next sin shall we? The one you conveniently didn't mention. That of stealing.

Exodus 20:15 - Thou shalt not steal.

Romans 13:9 - For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 19:18 - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Leviticus 19:11 - Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

Just but to name a few.

This particular thread has encouraged children to use their parent's money without any permission.

Nice set of morals there.

[Basilissa]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

So, you're asking children to turn against their parents, to lie and steal their money, in order to send you guys a donation?

Classy.

We can just overlook the sins they would be carrying out, cant we?

What sins? Hating our parents is what Himself told us to do:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

So, you're asking children to turn against their parents, to lie and steal their money, in order to send you guys a donation?

Classy.

We can just overlook the sins they would be carrying out, cant we?

[Brother Larry]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

The Praystation 3 is the only game system fully endorsed by Jesus. Maybe the Sega Genesis, but definitely not the Sintendo or the SexBox360.

The JesOS for PC only supports Christian video games like Super Noah's Ark 3D and Captain Bible.

Billy Bob,

Did you ever get past the morphed rhinoceros on level 395 of Super Noah's Ark 3D? I am still stuck on the mountain in level 43. Do I use the prayer defense at the same time the water starts to go down or am I supposed to steer around Ararat for now? I'm so confused, since it looks like I would go off the edge of the earth if I steer around it.

Brother Larry

[krunsch]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

I look in the christian entertainment forum and ask myself: Even if this koscher, then what software that isn't damnable would run on that thing? Pretty much everything that's fun, err, I mean, satan's deed according to you is stuff that would run on it.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

well consoles are evil why not give them a boring old book no one really reads or something useful like a high end gaming pc?

The Praystation 3 is the only game system fully endorsed by Jesus. Maybe the Sega Genesis, but definitely not the Sintendo or the SexBox360.

The JesOS for PC only supports Christian video games like Super Noah's Ark 3D and Captain Bible.