[HTannor]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Is there a Christian attorney here in good standing with the Iowa Bar?

Brother Harold, I'm disappointed you included that pesky bit about the Iowa Bar.

I spent a great deal of time studying law from the comfort of my own living room.

This fine university..........



..........provided me with the skills, knowledges, and abilities to stand among the great barristers of the time.

But all was for naught because those jack-booted thugs at the Iowa Bar refused to recognize me - even after I showed them my degree (which, curiously, was also printed on a matchbook cover).

They actually had the gall to bring up the actions of the SEC that ultimately closed this fine institution of higher learning.

So, alas, I am unable to help. You would really have liked my billable hour rate.

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Brother Harold, I've followed your post with avid interest. Like all new distributors, IBOs, Independent Business Owners, you were eager and ready to set the world on fire and create your very own wealth making machine. Added to that fever was the joy of working with a fine Christian organization and people who loved talking about Jesus. We all were when we first heard of The Opportunity.

Then my heart sunk when I read that you were misled and wasted so much time and money in forming a public company. I can't blame you nor Brother HTannor for the enthusiasm with which the two of you were caught up. I blame your sponsors and up-line. You were misled. I'm assuming that they were Christians because I know you try to keep your personal contacts restricted to Christians, so your sponsors and up-line were probably just a bit behind on the rules and regulations of The Opportunity. Those rules and regulations seem to change every time the Company gets sued and loses.

I very much wish I would be allowed to sponsor you and your downline personally but under present rules you will not be able transfer under me. You must have stopped operating your IBO for at least six months and stopped talking to anybody about The Opportunity for the same length of time. You are not even allowed to encourage your downline, if any, for six months previous to your transfer. Finally you were not allowed to buy any products for the six months previous to asking to be transferred. For educational purposes I could tell you the exact form you need to fill should you like to transfer to another sponsor who knows how to build a real organization, and realize the success of your dreams, be they financial or charitable. But from my calculation you would have to wait at least until April. If anyone tells you that they transferred sooner and without permission of their present sponsor and your own personally sponsored legs (downline) and your up-line Direct Distributor (aka Platinum Level pin) and maintain that there is no criminal activity involved, then they are not being honest with you. You will hear a lot of false claims that people transferred to other sponsors after weeks of failure. It is simply not true.

Can you create great wealth with The Opportunity? The answer is definitely YES. But experience dictates it will take at least five dedicated years of constant work unless of course you get lucky and sponsor a few of those world class motivators. That does happen. I've seen it. But don't count on it. I think you have been convinced The Opportunity is a quick way to wealth. As you have personally experienced it could well be a quick way to ruination and trouble. Having said that I could teach you how to find those very special people and sponsor them

Even though you are stuck with an up-line that is not exactly up on the details nor methods of building a solid, sustaining business for the next couple of months, I would be happy in the meantime to tell you exactly what went wrong and how to correct it. Don't worry if you hear the phrase Dream Stealer callously, zealously, and cavalierly tossed about. It is a method to make people feel guilty when they haven't yet discovered all of their own talents that will make them successful. The only way to kill a dream is to wake up in the morning. And as we all have experienced, some dreams that are important to us are repeated other nights.

If you would like me to talk about what corporations, LLCs, or trusts are allowed, and good, tried and true methods I use with my downline to build a solid, recurring income, just ask and I will continue to write, perhaps making this a sort of series of posts.

[HTannor]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Brother Harold, I've followed your post with avid interest.

Oh, my, Brother BS, I read with great interest your message to Brother Harold. I will sit on the sidelines and eagerly await his response.


(Interestingly, I just adjudicated a case involving some sort of Ponzi-easque scheme and had to do extensive research in my law library.

For precedence I relied on State v. Shyster, 2000, Eastern District.

In this action Ms. Keenshazza Shabazz brought suit against one Israel Shyster (a joo, I believe) for luring her into a scheme wherein she gave him her child support check to purchase a "starter kit" to set her upon the "road to riches".

Ms. Shabazz quickly found that none of her friends and relatives could afford even the tiniest box of detergent.

The court found for Mr. Shyster citing Ms. Shabazz's lack of graduating from grade school even though she claimed she was majoring in Afro-Centric studies.

Ms. Shabazz claimed her "honky teacher" was a racist since the teacher was "raised in North Dakota" and had no sense of "diverse opinions." - (whatever the hell that means.)

Appealed to the US Supreme Court, the court refused to intervene. The token spade, Justice Clarence Thomas, had no comment - as usual.)

[TheWingsOfStupidity]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

You surely do have a penchant for cherry picking misleading verses. Let us try something more germane to the topic.

Matthew 25:13-30 -- Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 19:11-27 -- And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

In the Gospel of Matthew a talent comes from the Greek word ταλαντον (talanton) which is worth about 60 minas of gold. As explained below a mina is worth about $25,515 so 60 of them is about $1,530,960 right about now. Five talents would then be worth $7,654,800.

The word pound in the Greek text of Luke is μνα (mna) which is equivalent to 567 grams of gold. At recent prices a gram of gold is approximately $45. So one pound in Luke is worth $25,515. Multiply that figure by 10 for the man who had ten pounds. We are not talking about an insignificant amount of money.

In both of these parables Jesus is praising the men who made money. He did not praise people who did not. Now I know Fluffy Bunny Christians like you pretend that Jesus is talking about skills and abilities and in a small way you are right. He is talking about skills and abilities in so far as they generate MONEY. You have to pay attention to the context and the audience of the scripture instead of plucking cherries like you do.

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Oh, my, Brother BS, I read with great interest your message to Brother Harold. I will sit on the sidelines and eagerly await his response.


(Interestingly, I just adjudicated a case involving some sort of Ponzi-easque scheme and had to do extensive research in my law library.

For precedence I relied on State v. Shyster, 2000, Eastern District.

In this action Ms. Keenshazza Shabazz brought suit against one Israel Shyster (a joo, I believe) for luring her into a scheme wherein she gave him her child support check to purchase a "starter kit" to set her upon the "road to riches".

Ms. Shabazz quickly found that none of her friends and relatives could afford even the tiniest box of detergent.

The court found for Mr. Shyster citing Ms. Shabazz's lack of graduating from grade school even though she claimed she was majoring in Afro-Centric studies.

Ms. Shabazz claimed her "honky teacher" was a racist since the teacher was "raised in North Dakota" and had no sense of "diverse opinions." - (whatever the hell that means.)

Appealed to the US Supreme Court, the court refused to intervene. The token spade, Justice Clarence Thomas, had no comment - as usual.)

Your Honor, I wonder if I might obtain a transcript of your adjudication. It might come in handy in future business transactions. It seems that a particular heathen, posting in this thread, might cause turmoil and adversity for me in the near future. I won't mention names but he has a penchant for cherry picking scripture. I fear he might pretend to want me to sponsor him in order to sabotage The Opportunity.

[HTannor]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Your Honor, I wonder if I might obtain a transcript of your adjudication.

Of course. I'll have one of my clerks deliver it to you. The clerk will be either Dotty or Dolly (the Dingle sisters), depending upon whichever one is not suffering her unclean time.

It seems one or the other of them is always on the rag a bit "off her game" as it were. I'll delegate the delivery to the less grouchy of the two.

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

I've been waiting for Brother Harold's response before I continued my posting. It seems however that he is up to his ears with problems involving the suspected kidnapping of Brother James DeWitt. In the meantime, I am getting email from others who read my previous posts which is surprising in that I have made well over 1000 posts and nothing else has prompted a response like the one in this thread. In the email the writers state they are confused by the terminology I've employed while writing about The Opportunity. Sorry, I am so use to the buzzwords used in this industry that I forgot many people have never heard them. I should not have been surprised as many things we do have buzzwords. Computer people use them; gamers use them; medical people use them; and so on.

I hope the Honorable HTannor can excuse my little side track for I am sure he is interested in the legal entities that might be used while pursuing The Opportunity. But I don't want those reading my posts here to get lost more so than they already are.

So let me start off with the basics. The Company makes lots of great products, the best you can buy. Everybody uses hundreds of dollars worth of these products every single month. I can tell you that when people come to my home and see these products in every nook and cranny they want them for themselves. They want to know where to get them. If you had them in your house, your friends, neighbors and family would want to get them too.

Now you might be asking, "What is so great about a couple of products?" and it is a good question. But let us forget about the products for a moment. What is important is The Opportunity. Let me introduce you to a very unusual business opportunity. It is an opportunity where:

1. You can build a business without leaving your present work.
2. You do not have to risk capital.
3. You can build a sizable royalty income in a few years, which will stay with you indefinitely. (unless we go under)
4. You can relocate and your business will follow you.
5. You can be your own boss and set your own hours.

Unusual, isn't it? I won't mention income figures, but I can assure you that you can earn more in this business on a part-time basis than you can earn in your present line, full-time. (does not apply to high class escorts)

I don't know what your concept of a business is, but I'm sure that after you look into this unique program, you will have an entirely different idea of what a business can be. There is no other like this in America today.

Would you like to try your hand at building up a business? Are you willing to set aside an evening a week if it would mean financial independence?

IF YOU ARE -- THE NEXT
MOVE IS YOURS

Every one of us measures success differently. For True Christians(tm) it is determined by how many souls we have led to Baby Jesus. So why am I seemingly talking about such worldly things then? Quite simply it is this. When you are up to your dorsal end in alligators it is difficult to remember that your primary objective is to drain the swamp. If people are hungry they won't concentrate long enough to hear the Good News about salvation and their eternal souls. Did you ever wonder why missions that cater to the homeless always provide a warm, hearty meal before the service? Well that is why.

In order for us to provide for all those lost, hungry souls we have to reach their stomachs and other comforts. That takes money. Just ask any of our pastors and reverends here at Landover Baptist Church. How much more rewarding would it be to be able to finance a mission without begging for donations each week?

For others, success might be measured by financial gain and/or stability. Now detractors might say that money will not buy happiness, but as Leo Rosten wrote long ago, neither will poverty. And I can tell you from personal experience that while money will not buy you happiness, it sure lets you suffer in comfort. Consider too that happiness will not buy you money either.

[to be continued]

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

I can set my own hours, don't need to risk any monetary capital, and my business is with me wherever I go!?

I can honestly say I've never been a part of something like that!

Brother Bible Student, is there room for women in The Company?

[Ravel Puzzlewell]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

I can set my own hours, don't need to risk any monetary capital, and my business is with me wherever I go!?

I can honestly say I've never been a part of something like that!

Really? Because that doesn't sound too far off from your previous line of work...

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Originally Posted by Bible Student
Your Honor, I wonder if I might obtain a transcript of your adjudication.

Of course. I'll have one of my clerks deliver it to you. The clerk will be either Dotty or Dolly (the Dingle sisters), depending upon whichever one is not suffering her unclean time.

It seems one or the other of them is always on the rag a bit "off her game" as it were. I'll delegate the delivery to the less grouchy of the two.

Your Honor, how very impolite of me. I forgot to thank you for such a timely delivery. The only excusereason I can offer is that I was caught up with preparing a Biblical dissertation and also answering email about The Opportunity. Please forgive me for this small indiscretion.

Dottie or was it Dolly was so very, er, ah, charming. [I think you know what I mean.] I know she wanted to spend more of the evening discussing my etchings and artwork but I had to cut the time short as the Love of my life simply would never understand why an unescorted lady was visiting me. I'm afraid I couldn't consider both Dingle sisters as escorting each other either. That would have led to even more involved explanations. Please offer my apologies to Dottie, or was it Dolly?

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant
I can set my own hours, don't need to risk any monetary capital, and my business is with me wherever I go!?

I can honestly say I've never been a part of something like that!

Really? Because that doesn't sound too far off from your previous line of work...

Mr. Puzzlewell, do you realize that Sister Lycia is a True Christian(tm)? As such, seeing that you are merely Unsaved Trash, she is not to be contradicted. Remember loose tongues bespeak of loose morals. You don't want us to get the wrong impression of you, do you?

[Bible Student]

Re: I'm An Independant Business Owner!

I can set my own hours, don't need to risk any monetary capital, and my business is with me wherever I go!?

I can honestly say I've never been a part of something like that!

Brother Bible Student, is there room for women in The Company?

Sister Lycia, you certainly have a knack for opening up a can of worms sometimes. For married women the answer is definitely yes. The Company in fact encourages both husband and wife to take advantage of The Opportunity and work together.

I Corinthians 7:34 -- There is difference also between a wife and a virgin: the vnmaried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that shee may be holy, both in body and in spirit: but she that is married, careth for the things of the worlde, how shee may please her husband.

I Corinthians 7:13-14 -- And the woman which hath an husband that beleeueth not, and if hee be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leaue him. For the vnbeleeuing husband is sanctified by the wife, and the vnbeleeuing wife is sanctified by the husband; else were your children vncleane, but now are they holy.

Ephesians 5:21 -- Submitting your selues one to another in the feare of God.

Ephesians 5:28 -- So ought men to loue their wiues, as their owne bodies: hee that loueth his wife, loueth himselfe.

Ephesians 5:33 -- Neuerthelesse, let euery one of you in particular, so loue his wife euen as himselfe, and the wife see that she reuerence her husband.

Ephesians 4:4 -- There is one body, and one spirit, euen as yee are called in one hope of your calling.

Now I am going to go out on a limb here and say yes even for unmarried women under certain circumstances. Now I know that there are some Landover pastors and reverends who are about to get irritated about what I just wrote. I ask them to wait until I explain The Opportunity so that they can see why I think it appropriate. After all, scripture tells us of some single women who played a part in God's church.

Acts 17:33-34 -- So Paul departed from among them. Howbeit, certaine men claue vnto him, and beleeued: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Acts 9:36-42 -- Now there was at Ioppa a certain disciple, named Tabitha, which by interpretation is called Dorcas: This woman was full of good works, and almes deeds, which she did. And it came to passe in those dayes that she was sicke, and died: whome when they had washed, they laid her in an vpper chamber. And forasmuch as Lydda was nigh to Ioppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent vnto him two men, desiring him that he would not delay to come to them. Then Peter arose and went with them: when he was come, they brought him into the vpper chamber: And all the widowes stood by him weeping, and shewing the coats and garments which Dorcas made, while shee was with them. But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled downe, and prayed, and turning him to the body, said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter, she sate vp. And he gaue her his hand, and lift her vp: and when hee had called the Saints & widowes, presented her aliue. And it was knowen thorowout all Ioppa, and many beleeued in the Lord.

Likewise scripture tells us of the works of Euodias and Syntche, Martha and Mary and Lazarus’ sisters, Phoebe, Lydia, Susanna, and Mary Magdalene. There are others in the New Testament too.

The Old Testament has:

Nehemiah 6:14 -- My God, thinke thou vpon Tobiah, and Sanballat, according to these their workes, and on the prophetesse Noadiah, and the rest of the prophets, that would haue put me in feare.

II Chronicles 9:1-12 -- And when the Queene of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon, shee came to prooue Solomon with hard questions at Ierusalem, with a very great companie, and camels that bare spices, and golde in abundance, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, shee communed with him of all that was in her heart. And Solomon tolde her all her questions: and there was nothing hid from Solomon, which he told her not. And when the Queene of Sheba had seene the wisedome of Solomon, and the house that he had built, And the meate of his table, and the sitting of his seruants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparell, his cup-bearers also, and their apparell, and his ascent, by which hee went vp into the house of the Lord; there was no more spirit in her. And she said to the King, It was a true report which I heard in mine owne land, of thine actes, and of thy wisedome: Howbeit, I beleeued not their wordes, vntill I came, and mine eyes had seene it: and behold, the one halfe of the greatnesse of thy wisedome was not tolde mee: for thou exceedest the fame that I heard. Happy are thy men, and happy are these thy seruants, which stand continually before thee, and heare thy wisedome. Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be King for the Lord thy God: because thy God loued Israel, to establish them for euer, therefore made hee thee King ouer them, to doe iudgement and iustice. And she gaue the king an hundred and twentie talents of gold, and of spices great abundance, & precious stones: neither was there any such spice as the Queene of Sheba gaue King Solomon. And the seruants also of Huram, and the seruants of Solomon, which brought gold from Ophir, brought Algume trees and, precious stones. And the king made of the Algume trees, terrises to the house of the Lord, and to the kings palace, and harpes and psalteries for singers: and there were none such seene before in the laud of Iudah. And King Solomon gaue to the Queene of Sheba, all her desire, whatsoeuer she asked, besides that which she had brought vnto the king: So she turned, and went away to her owne land, she, and her seruants.

And Miriam has a few important verses too.