[Jedediah]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer? All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

Wrong again, Jezebel. Only Roman Catlickers go to confession, and they can hardly be considered Christian. A True Christian™ has no need for confession, because we are sinless, as has already been explained to you on multiple occasions.

As for the LORD's Prayer, you are taking this out of context. Jesus instructed His disciples to say this prayer at a time before His temporary death on the cross. They were not absolved of sin at this point. But we, the children of God who have been washed in the BLOOD of JESUS, have been washed of our sins and abide in True Christian Perfection™. Scriptural affirmation is available upon request, or you could just read the previous posts in this thread.

As for our Christian prerogative to judge, please take the time out of your busy schedule of smoking drugs and fornicating with your mudslime boyfriend to read this illuminating clarification of God's position on judgment.

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

Son, can you back any of that up with Scripture? Was Aristotle washed in the Blood of Jesus? Take a look at the verse in my signature. You would do well to ponder that.

Also consider this verse from I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Your fancy book learning will win you no arguments here, boy. Take that garbage back to your liberal elite cocktail parties where it should stay.

[Higgins]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

No. Most sins are quite purposeful. Did the homosexual mistakenly fall on the other guys tallywhacker? Did someone mistakenly lie? cheat? steal?

A sin is breaking one of Gods commandments, yes some can be done mistakenly, but not all mistakes are sins.

I stand corrected, thank you. I should note that I was giving Aristotle's view on the subject after all he has been linked to Christianity thorough some of its history (for the last 8 centuries give or take).

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so.

If they sinned, it is a sign that they were never saved to begin with.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession

We don't. Catholics do that. They are not Christians.

and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer?

1. Christ has taught us to pray for entire, in the sense of perpetual sanctification.

2. He designed, that we should expect this prayer to be answered, or that we should mock Him by asking what we do not believe is agreeable to His will, and that too which we know could not consistently be granted; and that we are to repeat this insult to God as often as we pray.


3. The petition for forgiveness of our trespasses, it is plain, must apply to past sins, and not to sins we are committing at the time we make the prayer; for it would be absurd and abominable to pray for the forgiveness of a sin which we are then in the act of committing.

4. This prayer cannot properly be made in respect to any sin of which we have not repented; for it would be highly abominable in the sight of God, to pray for the forgiveness of a sin of which we did not repent.


5. If there be any hour or day in which a man has committed no actual sin, he could not consistently make this prayer in reference to that hour or that day.

6. But at the very time, it would be highly proper for him to make this prayer in relation to all his past sins, and that too, although he may have repented of, and confessed them, and prayed for their forgiveness, a thousand times before.

7. And although his sins may be forgiven, he ought still to confess them, to repent of them, both in this world and in the world to come.

All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

Nonsense.

If you think the Bible forbids judging others, then you haven't read it. The Bible forbids superficial judgment based on appearances and it forbids hypocrisy, but it does not forbid judgment. On the contrary, the saved are commanded to pass judgment on others.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Liberal Christians frequently take Matthew 7:1 out of context by claiming that it is prohibition against judging others. The full context is Matthew 7:1-5, and it is a prohibition against hypocrisy.

All that matters is the Golden Rule. Do that, and you're on a good spiritual path.

If that we true, then why not just make the entire Bible the "Golden Rule"? Why did God write all the rest of it?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Aren't all sins mistakes though? As they go against the will of God?

No. Most sins are quite purposeful. Did the homosexual mistakenly fall on the other guys tallywhacker? Did someone mistakenly lie? cheat? steal?

A sin is breaking one of Gods commandments, yes some can be done mistakenly, but not all mistakes are sins.

[Higgins]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Aren't all sins mistakes though? As they go against the will of God?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

And while yes, accepting Jesus as our Savior cleanses us of our sins, we still sin. No one but Jesus is perfect, and as I said earlier, to claim to be on the same level as Jesus is totally arrogant, and not honoring to him at all...

Matthew 5:28 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 10: 34 Jesus answered, "It is written in your law that God said, 'I said, you are gods.'[a] 35 This Scripture called those people gods who received God's message, and Scripture is always true.

And even though I don't have a Bible in front of me THIS VERY MOMENT, doesn't mean that I'm automatically wrong.

www.biblegateway.com There you go. Prove me wrong.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

You think Aristotle was a True Christian(TM)?

And no, the Bible specifically says that once you are awash in the blood of Christ, you cannot sin. False christians sin all the time, they're the ones promoting that it's okay to sin as long as you've been baptized. They want to promote baptism as a "get out of hell free" card. Trust me, baptism is only the beginning.

Who said anything about being perfect? We all make mistakes, a mistake is not a sin. Tripping over the dog is a mistake, sleeping with him is a sin. I am really concerned with secular society that people like you cannot understand the difference.

[ManyPaths]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

I totally agree. One of the 3 marks of existence is Buddhism is "anicca" or change. Everything changes.

This is spiritual wisdom found in many paths.

[Higgins]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

[Rainbow<3]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

ManyPaths:

Thanks so much! Finally, I feel appreciated! lol

Everything you said in that post is exactly what I've been trying to say one way or another. =]

[Rainbow<3]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

By "we" I meant everyone on here who seems to be afraid to say the real thing. Just because I said that doesn't mean I'm a "homer." It's just stating that everyone on here seems afraid to say the real word. *shrugs*

Did Jesus lean down and whisper in your ear "Rainbow<3 is gay"?

No, I don't ignore Scripture. Don't jump to conclusions.

There, blue font's gone. Happy? *rolls eyes*

[ManyPaths]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Hey Rainbow I love your name! It's funny how these "true christians" don't even know that its a symbol of God's covenant after the aligorical Noah flood. They automaticaly assume everything is about being gay.

And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer? All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

All that matters is the Golden Rule. Do that, and you're on a good spiritual path.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

And while yes, accepting Jesus as our Savior cleanses us of our sins, we still sin. No one but Jesus is perfect, and as I said earlier, to claim to be on the same level as Jesus is totally arrogant, and not honoring to him at all...
And even though I don't have a Bible in front of me THIS VERY MOMENT, doesn't mean that I'm automatically wrong.

It is painfully obvious you never read much of the Bible, if any at all. In fact, our youth pastor Levi Jones wrote an excellent thread explaining why True Christians(tm) are Perfect. And yes, he uses Biblical references to support this position. Unlike you, however, who say that claiming we are perfect is a sin but cannot show us Scripture where it says that.

Finally, you say "we still sin". No, we don't. If we are indeed a True Christian(tm) we will not sin because we abide in Christ.


1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Every time ya'll say "homers" I just wanna laugh, cause it brings to mind Homer Simpson. XD Are we so afraid to say the real thing that we have to give it a cute nickname to make it less scary?

"we"? Well I guess that confirms that you're an ass-raping, child molesting, shit loving faggot. There, is that better than homer? Are you happy with that? Are you so filthy and depraved that you're only happy when we call you filthy disgusting things? Did you get a stiffy from me calling you such a thing.

You disgust me you pervert.

And as for making an exception for me, what proof do you have that I'm gay? Give me proof and we'll see, but until then it's just immature name calling.

Because I walk with Christ and he told me so.

And while yes, accepting Jesus as our Savior cleanses us of our sins, we still sin. No one but Jesus is perfect, and as I said earlier, to claim to be on the same level as Jesus is totally arrogant, and not honoring to him at all...
And even though I don't have a Bible in front of me THIS VERY MOMENT, doesn't mean that I'm automatically wrong.

So you just ignore all of the scripture presented to you. You know better than God.

Go back to your filthy lifestyle and leave us alone. I can see that you are only here to mock God and have no interest in learning about Jesus.

Edit:
I'm putting you on my ignore list, because I hate having to mess around with formatting just to respond to someone.