[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Well thank you for deciding what my argument is(it was wrong but I appreciate the help) my argument was not that "God doesn't exist because the government has no record of him" nor where those examples used to disprove God in any way, if you had read the argument before you would see that I mention those four examples as proving myself as existing outside of me saying I do I did not claim that God does not exist because he is not apart of the draft. For the record there are atheist websites however I see no use in talking to people with eh exact same viewpoints as me in-fact there is a reason not to and it is called polarization. That means that when a group of like minded individuals talk together on a subject in which they all share the same opinion then they only increase their belief sin that and add to their bias I am trying to learn and lessen my biases so instead of being on an atheist website I am here.

You talk like a Jesuit.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you for correcting me on that quote I thought it meant the bible. And just because the bible is Jesus' way of telling us his will it cannot be proof that he is who he says he is. If I say that I am a ten foot tall lava eating man(which I am not for the record) and I say well here is my proof that I am and I hand you a book and in that book it says that whatever I say is true, then does that make me a ten foot tall lava eating man?

I would ask you this: are you perfect? Well Jesus is. Is it more logical to trust a perfect being or a human being (flawed, like all of us)?

I mean no disrespect but Jesus created the whole world in seven days 6500 years ago (or so) so that you and I could live out our lives in fulfilment of His vision.

Do you really have the right to gainsay your creator?

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Well thank you for deciding what my argument is(it was wrong but I appreciate the help) my argument was not that "God doesn't exist because the government has no record of him" nor where those examples used to disprove God in any way, if you had read the argument before you would see that I mention those four examples as proving myself as existing outside of me saying I do I did not claim that God does not exist because he is not apart of the draft. For the record there are atheist websites however I see no use in talking to people with eh exact same viewpoints as me in-fact there is a reason not to and it is called polarization. That means that when a group of like minded individuals talk together on a subject in which they all share the same opinion then they only increase their belief sin that and add to their bias I am trying to learn and lessen my biases so instead of being on an atheist website I am here.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

So then, your point is that since God didn't register for the draft, had no drivers license or passport and was unknown to the God forsaken Federal Government, that He could not have existed. That is what we call circular reasoning. You are making assumptions and then basing your other assumptions on the first assumptions and citing those assumptions as proof of your later assumptions.

You are another atheist, here to splain it all to us. Many have come before you. All have honored their own intellect and talked down to us Christians, as if we are fools. And yet we have this nifty website and you don't have one at all. You are drawn here by the intense magnatism of God's Truth and yet you are too blind to see it right here before you. We have seen all this many times.

You are a smart atheist, an intellectual in your own mind. Hell is full of smart atheists and there is always plenty of room for more.

God Bless!

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you for correcting me on that quote I thought it meant the bible. And just because the bible is Jesus' way of telling us his will it cannot be proof that he is who he says he is. If I say that I am a ten foot tall lava eating man(which I am not for the record) and I say well here is my proof that I am and I hand you a book and in that book it says that whatever I say is true, then does that make me a ten foot tall lava eating man?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

profitable for reproof and correction,

...of sinners.

It must not be changed because it is the very voice of Jesus. Jesus tells us His will via the Bible.

Can't you see that?

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

Well that's not true I am telling you what I am saying God uses a few moderators between him and the bible not to mention all of your scripture quotes except the first simply talk about not editing the bible, while the first one says that is profitable for reproof and correction, which is the opposite of the others.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

We have no more proof than that that you exist. If you say you exist, we believe you because you must exist to say you exist. God said He exists, ergo, He exists.

What are you, some kind of idiot?

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Trust me sweetsweetlordy, I have confirmed that these are right-winged extremists. If they are not, than I fail to see how so many share their opinions. This is why I preferred being agnostic (Before anyone calls me a heathen, research what agnosticism is).

You are a heathen.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.

We have no more proof than that that you exist. If you say you exist, we believe you because you must exist to say you exist. God said He exists, ergo, He exists.

What are you, some kind of idiot?

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.



Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

First off I don't hate God I don't believe in him there is a difference and second you cannot prove that God exists on the fact that the bible says so. To consider the bible as proof you first have to believe it is true, which I do not. And this is circular reasoning because you are saying "God exists because the bible says so and God says the bible is true."

[Basilissa]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.

Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

Right. There's nothing circular about it. See?



(Copied from this thread).

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 (1611 King James Bible)

All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,

Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.