[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God does not exist..

Can you perhaps tell me more about this "Prime Mover argument", or just post a link where I can read more about it.. It's kind of unfamiliar to me.. After all, I'm here to learn, and take all perspectives in moderation..

Here it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. Nothing finite and dependent (contingent) can cause itself.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, there must be a first cause; or, there must be something that is not an effect.

That first cause must be God. Basically that we exist proves God exists.

[Deaner]

Re: God does not exist..

yes jesus is the messiah as i discover with the seal of the bible code-but if i found that at the bible code in the old Testament -that mean that you should not neutralize other heritage.


cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa

Cohen; praise Jesus you've come back. Have you repented of your murderous yid ways and are now ready to make a sincere apology to Sweet Baby Jesus?

[cohen avshalom]

Re: God does not exist..

Pretty much, yeah. Normal people don't pray to Satan

yes jesus is the messiah as i discover with the seal of the bible code-but if i found that at the bible code in the old Testament -that mean that you should not neutralize other heritage.


cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa

[Brother Temperance]

Re: God does not exist..

Not really... You know, in Denmark, a very common phrase to shout out is "For fanden da!" or "For satan da!", when you bang your head against something or stumble into the table.. It is the exact same thing as "god damn!".. It's a common thing to say, it does not mean anything..

Does that make the entire danish population satanists?

Pretty much, yeah. Normal people don't pray to Satan.

[Decadence]

Re: God does not exist..

Decadence: We have given you a couple of proofs: the famous Prime Mover argument, an argument from the existence and testimony of Jesus, and alluded to the equally famous watchmaker argument.

It's a favorite tactic of those who do not wish to understand to ignore what evidence is presented and simply keep demanding more.

So here's a real poser. It is the ontological proof of for the existence of God, first codified by (I think) Saint Anselmo.

1. Imagine a being which is greater than all other beings.
2. What is real is greater than what is imaginary: the real has the added dimension of existence that the imaginary lacks.
3. Therefore God must exist in reality; else such a being would be unimaginable.

Please refute the arguments we have given before you whinge about having no evidence for the existence of God.

~~ OEJ

Can you perhaps tell me more about this "Prime Mover argument", or just post a link where I can read more about it.. It's kind of unfamiliar to me.. After all, I'm here to learn, and take all perspectives in moderation..

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: God does not exist..

Decadence: We have given you a couple of proofs: the famous Prime Mover argument, an argument from the existence and testimony of Jesus, and alluded to the equally famous watchmaker argument.

It's a favorite tactic of those who do not wish to understand to ignore what evidence is presented and simply keep demanding more.

So here's a real poser. It is the ontological proof of for the existence of God, first codified by (I think) Saint Anselmo.

1. Imagine a being which is greater than all other beings.
2. What is real is greater than what is imaginary: the real has the added dimension of existence that the imaginary lacks.
3. Therefore God must exist in reality; else such a being would be unimaginable.

Please refute the arguments we have given before you whinge about having no evidence for the existence of God.

~~ OEJ

[Talitha]

Re: God does not exist..

You're right, I ment science.. As mentioned earlier, english is not my native language..
I think it's pretty weak of you to all of sudden attack me personally by calling me a 12 year old, though..


To stay on topic, I still haven't seen any real evidences yet..

I'm really pleased that you added the word "yet" at the end of your sentence.
This says that at least you are open minded enough to see that Jesus does in fact really exist. This is important.
You see, to be a believer in Jesus, his Spirit has to enter you.
Jesus only allows the willing to be entered by HIM.
Keep that OPEN MIND young Decadense and one day, if you allow yourself to be open enough Jesus will enter you and fill you with HIS Love.

Praise Jesus

[Decadence]

Re: God does not exist..

I think he means science because all the other things he says disagrees with the ideals of that cult. I think he is just a underage troll. Ban hammer?

You're right, I ment science.. As mentioned earlier, english is not my native language..
I think it's pretty weak of you to all of sudden attack me personally by calling me a 12 year old, though..


To stay on topic, I still haven't seen any real evidences yet..

[jesuslovesme]

Re: God does not exist..

Wait a minute, friend. You deny the Bible, but you are willing to believe that some fellow named Xenu, ruler of a Galactic Confederacy, brought billions of people to earth 75 million years ago aboard DC-8 planes, chained them to volcanoes, and blew them up with atomic bombs?

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Your credibility is zero here.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I think he means science because all the other things he says disagrees with the ideals of that cult. I think he is just a underage troll. Ban hammer?

[jesuslovesme]

Re: God does not exist..

You still haven't shown me any evidence of you're "almighty" god..

I believe in scientoligy, I belive that the universe was caused by the big bang.
And regarding to this bible of yours; I do not deny the existence of jesus, there are many evidences that he once lived.. He was just another wise man, like so many others, who managed to piss off people, and therefore got remembered..

And yes, the bible is overdramatizised stories of different events, that most likely took place..

But god and the supernatural.. Makes no sense to me..

You believe in scientology? you believe that aliens souls got blown up by nukes in a volcano and there souls are no inside us and that is what makes us sad? (that might be a little off i don't care to read cult scifi satanist books). You are obviously a troll because Scientology doesn't believe in the bi bang(which is a joke). supper natural makes no sense? uh Scientology was based on a book by l ron Hubbard a sci fi writer. Did you mean you believe in science? lol are you a twelve year old troll?

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: God does not exist..

George Gapon: "Get it right it was something from a small point of high concentrated energy FAIL! NOW TELL ME THE EVIDENCE!"

That is incorrect. You do not understand the theory. The current most-favored scenario runs something like this:

1. Quantum fluctuation (possibly) causes the creation of a "false vacuum" bubble.
2. The false vacuum is empty of matter and energy; it has a negative energy density. Thus gravity acts as a powerful repulsive force, and the bubble of false vacuum expands with exponential speed.
3. However, the false vacuum is inherently unstable (like a pencil balanced on the sharp end, it will sooner or later fall). When the universe is about the size of a grapefruit the false vacuum falls into "normal" vacuum.
4. The decay of the false vacuum releases an immense amount of energy, which is what gives rise to the "hot particle soup". (This is where your description of the Big Bang starts.)
5. The inertial boost given to the universe by its initial exponential inflation continues to drive its expansion, although now gravitation is universally attractive rather than repulsive, and so begins to slow the expansion.
6. Eventually the "hot particle soup" cools enough so that atoms can form. From this point nucleosynthesis creates hydrogen, helium, deuterium, and just a tiny trace of lithium. This is the beginning of the "condensed matter" epoch of the universe, in which we live.

The problem is, the initial quantum fluctuation in and of itself contained a miniscule amount of matter-energy. Virtually none. So where did the matter and energy of the universe come from?

There is a pretty simple answer in physics, actually. Do you know it?

~~ OEJ

Addendum: Actually, your understanding of the Big Bang appears to be similar to Georges Lemaître's "primeval atom" theory, dating to 1927, and to the 1960s versions which replaced the "primeval atom" with a singularity. That is somewhat outdated, I think, and has been replaced by the inflationary theory of Guth and Linde.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: God does not exist..

I believe in scientoligy,

Wait a minute, friend. You deny the Bible, but you are willing to believe that some fellow named Xenu, ruler of a Galactic Confederacy, brought billions of people to earth 75 million years ago aboard DC-8 planes, chained them to volcanoes, and blew them up with atomic bombs?

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Your credibility is zero here.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God does not exist..

Not really... You know, in Denmark, a very common phrase to shout out is "For fanden da!" or "For satan da!", when you bang your head against something or stumble into the table.. It is the exact same thing as "god damn!".. It's a common thing to say, it does not mean anything..

Does that make the entire danish population satanists?

Proof is in the pudding is in the eating as we say. You wouldn't call up God to tell Satan to take something unless you really believed it would happen. Otherwise what is the point? It is like Richard Dawkins singing a Christmas Carol.

[Decadence]

Re: God does not exist..

You denial doesn’t sound very convincing to me. Are you aware of Pascal's Wager? If your’ right and we die nothing happens, it’s the end. If I am right and when we die you go to Hell. Now which is the safer bet?



Hard to tell, since atheists reject God the source of all morality he could be lying. However I have personally heard him shout out “God d**n” enough so I know he really believes in his heart of hearts.

Not really... You know, in Denmark, a very common phrase to shout out is "For fanden da!" or "For satan da!", when you bang your head against something or stumble into the table.. It is the exact same thing as "god damn!".. It's a common thing to say, it does not mean anything..

Does that make the entire danish population satanists?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God does not exist..

I don't believe in hell, why should I fear it?..

You denial doesn’t sound very convincing to me. Are you aware of Pascal's Wager? If your’ right and we die nothing happens, it’s the end. If I am right and when we die you go to Hell. Now which is the safer bet?

This Bob L friend of yours, you think all atheists are like him? Praying everynight and shit? Please refrain from generalizing athiests like that...

Hard to tell, since atheists reject God the source of all morality he could be lying. However I have personally heard him shout out “God d**n” enough so I know he really believes in his heart of hearts.