[tLakota]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Hi LingBling,

I don't belong to this group. At all, actually. We disagree on many points. But I think your questioning of God is understandable. I've been a Christian, just a plain Christian all my life (notice the lack of trademark signs). You won't find what you are looking for on this site, many/most of these people are biased. But I hope that this helps. God exists. If you don't want to call Him/Her 'God' you can say 'Spirit' 'Universe' whatever you want to call your personal sense of spirit/higher power. To answer your question, God allows people to make up their own minds as to whether they will follow him. That was how sin began. Eve 'stole' a fruit from the only thing God asked her not to touch or eat of, and shared it with her 'lover and husband'. He was disappointed and ashamed of them because they made up their own minds to go against Him. He tolerated it though. And he didn't fry them because they chose not to. Every human has their own choices and responsibilities. And God will allow the consequences of those choices to continue without intervention, for better or for worse, if you don't ask for or seek Him. In truth, that is the only power of prayer. When you pray, you're asking for intervention or favor from the Almighty to change a situation for the better.

For me, the things that I've asked for and seen accomplished through prayer is my personal proof that God exists. A girl in my youth group used to be an HIV positive buddhist, she was healed a week after she accepted Christ. I almost didn't believe it until she brought in the paperwork. The first, her HIV bloodwork tests, the second, her cleared bloodwork tests. There were times that I could have broken my neck, starved, killed myself. But things always turned out the contrary to the obvious setbacks. Most recently, I almost got pegged with a $300 cellphone bill. I'm an 18 year old college student without a job. I couldn't pay it. But it turned out alright and I didn't have to pay it. With the exception being these people, I've never met a mean-spirited Christian. My church members are fun, and we follow the bible. My congregation isn't extremist though. We have happy couples and children, everyone is welcome if they are willing to be free from sin (satanists do exist sadly). We follow the commandments and it's a safe, serene environment, free from oppression and anxiety. If you want to debate or just chat, please email or IM me with anything.

(Landoverians, don't flame please. God created both sexes and is called many titles and names in the bible)

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Easy there friend. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

You argue HIV is caused by a virus under your diseases theory. You realize this a quite controversial theory, many prominent people disagree on this. Christian scientists have long held to the demonic possession theory for explanation for disease, a theory that predates your disease theory by many, many centuries.

Please explain to me how my virus theory is controversial, because I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The omnipotent God.

I am merely a teenager, I have much time to perfect my spelling and grammar skills. As sophmoric as I may be, writing is not my intention for this site.

Now back to primary sources. Fossils are primary sources. The HIV virus is also a primary source, because we can see the act of evolution through the virus. When it resists drugs that we attack it with, it's mutating and natrual selection prefers the viruses that are resisting the drug.

Easy there friend. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

You argue HIV is caused by a virus under your diseases theory. You realize this a quite controversial theory, many prominent people disagree on this. Christian scientists have long held to the demonic possession theory for explanation for disease, a theory that predates your disease theory by many, many centuries.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Ah, the primary proof argument... And you have primary proof for your alleged millions of years of evolution..? I think not.

You have to admit that scientists are further away in time from their claim that the world is billions of years old than those who documented the Creation and the life of Christ were from the latter great events.

Your touching belief in science is merely an act of ungodly faith - no primary proof at all.

Now if you have faith, use it wisely - have faith in God.

Amen

Bathfire E.

PS if you use Firefox as your browser, you can get a free spell checker as an add-in. Correct spelling makes you appear more persuasive - and you could do with that.

I am merely a teenager, I have much time to perfect my spelling and grammar skills. As sophmoric as I may be, writing is not my intention for this site.

Now back to primary sources. Fossils are primary sources. The HIV virus is also a primary source, because we can see the act of evolution through the virus. When it resists drugs that we attack it with, it's mutating and natrual selection prefers the viruses that are resisting the drug.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Only primary sources are accountable. There is no way of proving the bible as being a primary source, but there are primary sources that can prove that Ian Fleming existed and wrote the James Bond books.

Ah, the primary proof argument... And you have primary proof for your alleged millions of years of evolution..? I think not.

You have to admit that scientists are further away in time from their claim that the world is billions of years old than those who documented the Creation and the life of Christ were from the latter great events.

Your touching belief in science is merely an act of ungodly faith - no primary proof at all.

Now if you have faith, use it wisely - have faith in God.

Amen

Bathfire E.

PS if you use Firefox as your browser, you can get a free spell checker as an add-in. Correct spelling makes you appear more persuasive - and you could do with that.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

These fine Christian members of Landover speak wisely, LingBling. I can add only a little to their righteous testimony.

On October 5, 1977 Maria Rubio of Lake Arthur New Mexico discovered that the tortilla she had just cooked bore the image of Jesus the Christ. That is a miracle. Only God could have cooked that amazing likeness into the Mexican treat.

Do not doubt God, LingBling, for His divine hand touches even the lowly tortilla.

Sometime atheist doubters say, "If God miraculously cured all the poor Africans who have been horribly mutilated by evil men**, then that would be a miracle worth talking about. THAT would convince me that God exists."

But they are unrepentant, God-denying unbelievers. If they don't believe the miracle of Jesus-on-a-tortilla, they won't believe anything else either.

Yessir! God is just as real as the merciful love He shows His children.

~~ OEJ

**"The [Sierra Leone Revolutionary United Front's] signature tactic was amputation of civilians: Over the course of the decade-long war, the rebels have mutilated some 20,000 people, hacking off their arms, legs, lips, and ears with machetes and axes."

The parody religion, Pastafarianism, also has witnessed a miracle such as that. And with even more proof than you have, I will provide you with a picture. http://www.venganza.org/page/2

Molecules can arrange themselves into many ways, and given enough time, they will create any shape, even that of Jesus Christ.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: The omnipotent God.

These fine Christian members of Landover speak wisely, LingBling. I can add only a little to their righteous testimony.

On October 5, 1977 Maria Rubio of Lake Arthur New Mexico discovered that the tortilla she had just cooked bore the image of Jesus the Christ. That is a miracle. Only God could have cooked that amazing likeness into the Mexican treat.

Do not doubt God, LingBling, for His divine hand touches even the lowly tortilla.

Sometime atheist doubters say, "If God miraculously cured all the poor Africans who have been horribly mutilated by evil men**, then that would be a miracle worth talking about. THAT would convince me that God exists."

But they are unrepentant, God-denying unbelievers. If they don't believe the miracle of Jesus-on-a-tortilla, they won't believe anything else either.

Yessir! God is just as real as the merciful love He shows His children.

~~ OEJ

**"The [Sierra Leone Revolutionary United Front's] signature tactic was amputation of civilians: Over the course of the decade-long war, the rebels have mutilated some 20,000 people, hacking off their arms, legs, lips, and ears with machetes and axes."

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Ah, so you do see the falseness in those atheists and that AIDS is GOD's vengeance upon those abominable homers.

PRAISE THE LORD!

If that were true the HIV virus would only inffect those that had a sexual preference towards each other, but in reality the HIV virus infects both homesexuals and people who are interested in the opposite sex.

[see_the_light]

Re: The omnipotent God.

And yet the spiders are innevitably still here. Also those parasitic wasps only existed for a short time, long after the dinosaurs became extinct.
With your faulty logic, we would expect the human race to already be immune to the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Of course this not the case, because the HIV virus only very recently started infecting humans. Over the course of many generations, the humans that acquired a trait that resisted the HIV virus would be the individuals that survive and reproduce.

Ah, so you do see the falseness in those atheists and that AIDS is GOD's vengeance upon those abominable homers.

PRAISE THE LORD!

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Now friend according to the theory of evolution those thousand generations have already happened. According to the evolution theory spiders were among the earliest land animals and wasps date from the theoretical time of the dinosaurs. Yet no change in all those theoretical millions of year. Face the facts friend, the hand of God is very clear here with the hideous death of all those millions upon millions of spiders.

And yet the spiders are innevitably still here. Also those parasitic wasps only existed for a short time, long after the dinosaurs became extinct.
With your faulty logic, we would expect the human race to already be immune to the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Of course this not the case, because the HIV virus only very recently started infecting humans. Over the course of many generations, the humans that acquired a trait that resisted the HIV virus would be the individuals that survive and reproduce.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Natrual selection does not pick and select traits for a population, it only chooses the best individuals to survive.

Also, most likely spiders will acquire characteristics that defend itself from the parasitic wasp, but only thousands of generations can tell us that.

Now friend according to the theory of evolution those thousand generations have already happened. According to the evolution theory spiders were among the earliest land animals and wasps date from the theoretical time of the dinosaurs. Yet no change in all those theoretical millions of year. Face the facts friend, the hand of God is very clear here with the hideous death of all those millions upon millions of spiders.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

Clearly they would develop defenses against this like spikes and thick armor. They don’t’ so they must be something deliberately forcing these spiders to remain defenseless. That can only be God.

Natrual selection does not pick and select traits for a population, it only chooses the best individuals to survive.

Also, most likely spiders will acquire characteristics that defend itself from the parasitic wasp, but only thousands of generations can tell us that.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The omnipotent God.

If an individual acquires characteristics that benefit and allows it to reproduce more efficiently than other individuals in a population, will increase the number of the individual with the desired characteristic. This can also explain your parasitic wasps.

True, under the theory of evolution. Accepting for a moment that the theory of evolution is truer it goes without saying the spiders certainly don’t benefit from being slowly devoured alive. Clearly they would develop defenses against this like spikes and thick armor. They don’t’ so they must be something deliberately forcing these spiders to remain defenseless. That can only be God.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The omnipotent God.

My personal favorite is parasitic wasps; only a God would create animal that would subject another animal to a slow and agonizing death just to reproduce. The kind of malevolent hatred for your’ own creation could only possibly come from The Lord as He described in The Bible. I challenge any pagan, Hindu or Buddhist to explain a parasitic wasp in their mythology.

If an individual acquires characteristics that benefit and allows it to reproduce more efficiently than other individuals in a population, will increase the number of the individual with the desired characteristic. This can also explain your parasitic wasps.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The omnipotent God.

If you look at the world, surely it is to vast to be made by accident by a big band some way back in time?
surely there has to be something else?
The proof is all around you, you just have to open your eyes to it.

Caution though friend; just saying "wow, look at the world, an't it cool" still allows the pagans wiggle room to claim their false gods did it. We must look for that special handprint of the God of the Bible. Things that can only happen with His’ particular agenda. There are many out there friend if you look.

My personal favorite is parasitic wasps; only a God would create animal that would subject another animal to a slow and agonizing death just to reproduce. The kind of malevolent hatred for your’ own creation could only possibly come from The Lord as He described in The Bible. I challenge any pagan, Hindu or Buddhist to explain a parasitic wasp in their mythology.