[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: It has begun

Actually, if you would have studied history and had a working knowledge of theology you would know that this ritual was pre-christianity, therefore, no Catholics.

Actually I am very aware of that. The question doesn't speak to my lack of knowledge, it addresses you. And the next question I have for you is would you please show me the book from pre-catholic Ireland, written in Gaelic, that tells about the Irish Samhain?

Thanks in advance.

[Eye of the Beholder]

Re: It has begun

Actually I am very aware of that. The question doesn't speak to my lack of knowledge, it addresses you. And the next question I have for you is would you please show me the book from pre-catholic Ireland, written in Gaelic, that tells about the Irish Samhain?

Thanks in advance.

Are you requesting an original book? Or are you desiring a link? Because as you know, once Christianity took over Europe, many Pagan books were destroyed in the first crusade. To find you an original would be rare indeed. However, if it's an understanding of the festival you are wanting it is easily found on any search engine.

As for your first question (the one you said addresses me) I fail to understand then. To me, the question was plain and straightforward. You asked, "Was this Irish November feast celebrated after the AntiChrist catholics took over Ireland?" And I plainly answered. This festival was pre-Christianity.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: It has begun

Let us set some simple and fair ground rules for debating. If you allege something as a fact, please post a link to the research proving it as fact. I find the following reference to 'Samhain' which I accept as accurate except that no dates are given and, in fact, seem to be references to nothing more than planting seasons and possibly (although I didn't see a reference), to the winter solstice.

Some rituals are mentioned, but those are simply methods of planting and harvesting crops.

[Eye of the Beholder]

Re: It has begun

Let us set some simple and fair ground rules for debating. If you allege something as a fact, please post a link to the research proving it as fact. I find the following reference to 'Samhain' which I accept as accurate except that no dates are given and, in fact, seem to be references to nothing more than planting seasons and possibly (although I didn't see a reference), to the winter solstice.

Some rituals are mentioned, but those are simply methods of planting and harvesting crops.

Fair enough. I'll start posting more links, or references that you may check.
But in all fairness, nobody on here quote any facts either, except for some obscure parables and allegorical references from the bible.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: It has begun

Fair enough. I'll start posting more links, or references that you may check.
But in all fairness, nobody on here quote any facts either, except for some obscure parables and allegorical references from the bible.

I don't agree. If I state a fact, I also quote the Scriptural reference for it unless, as I admit, I have posted the same things so many hundreds of times that I am getting tired of attempting to SHOW people what the Bible says and have been lax ant posting the actual Scripture. People who want to argue never check the references and think we are making them up. I assure you that we are most certainly not. I will provide a reference for anything Scriptural I use, it is just that simple. However, we rely and believe the inerrancy of the King James Version 1611 (Authorized) Bible and will not bother with or discuss references to edited and otherwise modified texts or Bibles.

[Eye of the Beholder]

Re: It has begun

But all the texts are virtually the same. They all come from the same source, albeit the newer versions have been corrupted by man (since the New Testament).

For instance, did you know that the halo is actually a representation of the Ra, the Sun God? Also, the accepted day of Jesus' birth (Christmas) was originally the day that, in Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (the Goddess of Nature) was celebrated. This was a celebration that coincided with the winter solstice.

In Europe, they celebrated the winter solstice known as Yule. Yule was symbolic for the pagan Sun God, Mithras, and this was considered his birthday. Remember, this was before Jesus was even heard of.

The reason for incorporating old faith ideology with the new Christian faith was to create a peace in the Roman Empire, where Christians, pagans, and Jews were constantly engaged in a bitter fight.

I'd give you links for this, but what I wrote here was pretty much off the top of my head. If you really need to read about it, just type in "Christmas + Pagan" in any search engine.

The reason why I mentioned all this is because, to put it simply, the New Testament was corrupted by man to suit their political needs at the time in order to control the populace. This move put the upper echelons of the church and state in complete control and with full power.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: It has begun

But all the texts are virtually the same. They all come from the same source, albeit the newer versions have been corrupted by man (since the New Testament).

For instance, did you know that the halo is actually a representation of the Ra, the Sun God? Also, the accepted day of Jesus' birth (Christmas) was originally the day that, in Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (the Goddess of Nature) was celebrated. This was a celebration that coincided with the winter solstice.

In Europe, they celebrated the winter solstice known as Yule. Yule was symbolic for the pagan Sun God, Mithras, and this was considered his birthday. Remember, this was before Jesus was even heard of.

The reason for incorporating old faith ideology with the new Christian faith was to create a peace in the Roman Empire, where Christians, pagans, and Jews were constantly engaged in a bitter fight.

I'd give you links for this, but what I wrote here was pretty much off the top of my head. If you really need to read about it, just type in "Christmas + Pagan" in any search engine.

The reason why I mentioned all this is because, to put it simply, the New Testament was corrupted by man to suit their political needs at the time in order to control the populace. This move put the upper echelons of the church and state in complete control and with full power.

Of course we know all of that. Most of us are Theological scholars. I quite agree that the CATHOLIC church corrupted the Bible and worked for centuries to control the world. But there came a point at which the world tired of the yoke of false catholicism and realized what was happening. Thus it was that King James ordered a 'correct' bible to be written to remove the corruption that had been placed there for the political ends of the Vatican. We further believe that GOD influenced the scribes and researchers who compiled the KJV1611 from the original documents so that the KJV is INSPIRED as described here:

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_kjv/

and is the correct Word of God.

Our beliefs to that effect are reflected here: http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/KJBible/kj_bible.htm