[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Billy-Reuben, you totally misconstrue my words.

If your words are being misconstrued, then perhaps you should put a little more thought into your posts and explain yourself a little more clearly.

I'm saying that there IS NO EVIDENCE of the Bible being historically accurate, however that is why Faith is required to follow it.

That's what I have been saying. You are the one who has been demanding evidence, like a child demanding candy from her parents.

From EVERY educated point of view it is evident that this is a text that requires more than the evidence to understand and believe

That is also what I have been saying, friend. It requires faith.

however 'claiming' that it is historically accurate because god promised us his word and theres one book to prove it, holds absolutely no water whatsoever.

Are you calling God a liar and a promise breaker?

All you do is attack our beliefs. You never answered my questions, so I will repeat them.

Do you believe that the story of Jesus' resurrection was a historical account of literal bodily resurrection? That is, do you believe that Jesus literally rose from the dead?

Do you even believe that there was a historical Jesus, who preached the Gospel and performed miracles as described in the Bible?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Billy-Reuben, stop misinterpreting me. All you are seeing my argument as is an attack on your faith. This is not the case. Read more carefully,

What I am doing here is creating a logical debate. I'm saying lets drop our blind faith for two seconds, and start talking hypothetically. Ask questions.

If a child does not question his teacher, then how does he learn?

I am engaging in logical thought and debate. This is what scholars do daily.

And for your information, I did answer your questions, not directly to you granted, but I did answer.

What I believe holds absolutely no relevance to you

If I was to tell you what I believe, you would think that I am not worthy to breathe the air you exhale. It is the same feeling anyone visiting this place gets from you people.
I will not answer you with a spiel on what I believe. Just take it that I am a believer and leave it at that.

That's what I have been saying. You are the one who has been demanding evidence, like a child demanding candy from her parents.

Crudely, we are starting to think on the same level. There is no "evidence", just faith.

So therefore, based solely on 'faith', how can one prove its legitimacy?

That is the point of my argument.



And Nobar King, I hold the same regard for your arguments as I do for Juliette.

[Nobar King]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Thank you for your higher-than-thou attitude. This is when your true colors show, when being an Aussie with a PhD (presumably) doesn't drag your out of the moral gutter of hypocrisy.

What would we care about your beliefs? You obviously don't believe what Jesus wants, and are more want to believe what the secular liberals from Australia indoctrinate you with from the cradle. Even going to college doesn't free you from this destructive thought pattern.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

And for your information, I did answer your questions, not directly to you granted, but I did answer.

No, you did not. I re-read this entire thread, and never once did you answer my questions. You are a liar.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dr Clifford Ross]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Thank you for your higher-than-thou attitude. This is when your true colors show, when being an Aussie with a PhD (presumably) doesn't drag your out of the moral gutter of hypocrisy.

What would we care about your beliefs? You obviously don't believe what Jesus wants, and are more want to believe what the secular liberals from Australia indoctrinate you with from the cradle. Even going to college doesn't free you from this destructive thought pattern.

Present a relevant argument.

No, you did not. I re-read this entire thread, and never once did you answer my questions. You are a liar.

I answered you perfectly fine. I told you that I won't answer you to the extent you want. This is still a perfectly reasonable answer.

I'd like to stay on topic, considering so few threads here do.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Billy-Reuben, stop misinterpreting me. All you are seeing my argument as is an attack on your faith. This is not the case. Read more carefully, I am engaging in logical thought and debate.

Right.... you are here for logical thought and debate. You weren't sent here by Satan to attack us. That's why you said all of this:

• I'm sorry, but I have to label this kind of reply as Hypocrisy as well.
• So far on this site all I have seen is out of context bible quotes to make someone's misguided attack
• trying to make yourself sound bigger than someone else.
• By all definitions, most threads on here start as or become hate threads.
• Being home schooled, even straight from the bible, is a very limited way to gain an education. With only one point of reference to draw your context from, you will live in a very closed off little world.
• I would class the antics of these forum goers as anything but 'pure'.
• such people can hold such insanely closed off concepts of reality.
• I look forward to participating in threads here that actually want to spread the word of love, and not smear the word of anyone who doesn't read the bible

You say you don't believe the Bible, but it is obvious that you haven't even read it, as I have demonstrated several times in this thread.

I'd like to stay on topic, considering so few threads here do.

On topic? The only topic here is you bashing us for our beliefs, evading our questions, and raising pointless non sequiturs whenever we show you where you are wrong.

You are obviously not a Christian of any kind, and certainly not a Baptist, so you are nothing more than a liar and a troll.

Good day to you.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Australian Baptist following

I answered you perfectly fine. I told you that I won't answer you to the extent you want. This is still a perfectly reasonable answer.

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. perfectly reasonable..................says who? You? If you decide something is 'perfectly reasonable', then it must be so? I've never heard such arrogance.

[Justina Thyme]

Re: Australian Baptist following

"Clifford," may I ask in what field you supposedly earned your doctorate? Because your silly little arguments are more suited to someone in, say, the Physical Education field than to any type of religious or theological studies.

And if you do indeed possess an advanced degree in something, is it from an accredited school or one of those little correspondence courses?

Which of course begs the question, if you are a Christian woman (i.e., born with female reproductive organs), what were you doing in college at all? Don't you know your place according to the Holy Bible in which you profess to believe?

Finally, are you so naive as to think that our Pastors haven't heard and refuted every single one of your desperate, self-serving arguments before? Look around this forum and understand with whom you're dealing--Christians with the power of Almighty God behind them!

[VictoryOS]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Perhaps he got his degree through fail-by-mail and majored in high school diploma.

[Juliette]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Juliette, your arguments are flawed and your opinion is unnecessary.

Arrogant bastard. You're the one coming here to question our faith. And as Pastor Billy-Reuben pointed out: Faith needs no evidence.

So if you want to prove us wrong you'd better find that evidence in the bible and stop making a fool of yourself.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Ok. what are you a "Dr." of?

And how does a 20 year old become a "Dr." of anything?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Ok. what are you a "Dr." of?

And how does a 20 year old become a "Dr." of anything?

In my younger, pre-saved days, there was a young doctor on television called "Doobie Howser" ("doobie" being a slang term for a marihuana cigarette). He was a genius (there's a strike against Clifford) who became an MD in his teen years. As it turns out, as an adult he has chosen to be a sodomite.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Well I have trouble believing that our "Dr" Clifford Ross has actually managed to obtain a PhD from an accredited university. He debates like a college freshman.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[VictoryOS]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Well I have trouble believing that our "Dr" Clifford Ross has actually managed to obtain a PhD from an accredited university. He debates like a college freshman.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Please forgive me Pastor, as I know it's wrong for a woman to correct a man. But I think you meant to say he debates like a high school freshman.

[Justina Thyme]

Re: Australian Baptist following

Gee... where did s/he go?