[Redeemed Papist]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

I don't see the problem. Have you read all of that? Have you seen how long that list goes on? You want me to put the hole page in the forum? I put it there because I know no one of you actually visits the sites and links that I send you.
"In spite of its imperfections, the King James Version remains a masterpiece."
You really think that this is it? The hole Bible consists of contradictions. You people wont admit it, will you?

We don't visit those links because we are bored with them. Do you honestly think that people of true and unwavering faith are even slightly put off by some biased nonsense by militant atheists? We've seen it all before and if it looks like we're putting our fingers in our ears and are inaccessible to it that's because we are.

Throwing stuff like you are trying to do at true believers is like playing the kazoo. It's annoying and best ignored until the person becomes bored and wanders off.

The Bible is perfect.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

You can carry on copy/pasting nonsense from sites we'll ignore or stop reading after a few words if you want. You're not going to change the views of a single one of us about the Bible as a result.

God warned us about people like you and not to listen to you.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

[TheLightOfAllan]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Well done genius - that is a straight cut and paste from WhoAreIsraelites.Org

What you deliberately left out by cutting the list short was the conclusion (that bit right at the end) -

Conclusion

The King James Version Bible is a word-for-word translation. Other translations, such as the New International Version (NIV), are meaning-for-meaning translations. The multitude of modern translations have not captured the elegance and beauty, NOR THE OVERALL ACCURACY of the King James Version. C. S. Lewis sagely remarked, “Odd the way the less the Bible is read, the more it is translated.” In spite of its imperfections, the King James Version remains a masterpiece.


And you accuse us of misrepresentation!! You sir are a hypocrite

All the best

I don't see the problem. Have you read all of that? Have you seen how long that list goes on? You want me to put the hole page in the forum? I put it there because I know no one of you actually visits the sites and links that I send you.
"In spite of its imperfections, the King James Version remains a masterpiece."
You really think that this is it? The hole Bible consists of contradictions. You people wont admit it, will you?

[Levi Jones]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Why ask him? Why not ask the people he stole that from?

I wanted him to have the chance to expound on his critical essay of what the Bible should read that he totally came up with all on his own.

[Didymus Much]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

What is the source material of this alleged correction? Is it the Masoretic Text, the LXX or something else?

Why ask him? Why not ask the people he stole that from?

[Levi Jones]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Nop, FAIL ATTEMPT.

The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had. While this article is necessary to point out the KJV errors, it should be noted that the errors, omissions and additions made by the RSV, NIV, and other modern translations are much, much WORSE!
Mistakes in the King James Bible (KJV)

The verse(s) in question are given first and then what is the correct or Correction.Genesis 1:2

KJV: "And the earth was without form, and void; . . . "

Correction: "And the earth became without form, and void; . . . "

What is the source material of this alleged correction? Is it the Masoretic Text, the LXX or something else?

[Levi Jones]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Jesus wants all people to end up in Heaven not in Hell. He wont enjoy watching anyone burn in Hell you idiot!

7:44 And the dwellers of the Garden cry unto the dwellers of the Fire: We have found that which our Lord promised us (to be) the Truth. Have ye (too) found that which your Lord promised the Truth? They say: Yea, verily. And a crier in between them crieth: The curse of Allah is on evil-doers,

[Levi Jones]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Well your feeble attempts are not working m8.
33:62

[This is] the established way of Allah with those who passed on before; and you will not find in the way of Allah any change.

33:63

People ask you concerning the Hour. Say," Knowledge of it is only with Allah . And what may make you perceive? Perhaps the Hour is near."

33:64

Indeed, Allah has cursed the disbelievers and prepared for them a Blaze.

33:65

Abiding therein forever, they will not find a protector or a helper.

33:67
And they will say, "Our Lord, indeed we obeyed our masters and our dignitaries, and they led us astray from the [right] way.

33:68
Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them with a great curse."

Thank you for showing it in context. Your false prophet's scribe is calling down curses for those who don't think the way he does.

Weren't you whining when we do it, even though it's perfectly Biblical and in the koran?

And about the women.

4:34
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.


I don't see the problem. When your wife disobeys you, their are steps you have to take: 1) like it's written in the Qur'an: advise them.
2)If that doesn't help then don't sleep with them for a while.
3)The Islamic law says that you should hit her slightly and that's what is meant by strike.

Again, we agree. Women are property like a horse. Your koran has some very practical advice for dealing with them.

2:223 Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

It is forbidden to beat her like you are imagining it.

With a garden hose across the backside to minimize bruising?

And it's even more forbidden to let her get RAPED you idiot!!!!

Now you're just being silly. I never said your wife can be raped. Only your concubine or daughter. And only then if there are a group of sodomites at your door wanting to rape your house guest.

Gosh Allan, you make it sound like we're monsters or something.

[Noah Sole]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Nop, FAIL ATTEMPT.

The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had. While this article is necessary to point out the KJV errors, it should be noted that the errors, omissions and additions made by the RSV, NIV, and other modern translations are much, much WORSE!
Mistakes in the King James Bible (KJV)

The verse(s) in question are given first and then what is the correct or Correction.Genesis 1:2

KJV: "And the earth was without form, and void; . . . "

Correction: "And the earth became without form, and void; . . . "

Comments: The word translated "was" is hayah (Hebrew: היה, Strong's Concordance Number #H1961) and denotes a condition different than a former condition, as in Genesis 19:26.
Genesis 10:9

KJV: " . . . Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD."
Correction: " . . . Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter in place of the LORD."
Comments: The word "before" is incorrect and gives the connotation that Nimrod was a good guy, which is false. Nimrod placed himself in OPPOSITION to God.
Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26

KJV: "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. . . . But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. . . . And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp."

Correction: "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for Azazel. . . . But the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement upon it and sent away into the wilderness for Azazel . . . And he that let go the goat for Azazel shall wash his clothes and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp." (Holy Bible in its Original Order Translation)
Comments: The meaning of the word scapegoat is different today than it was during the time of the King James translators. The Online Etymology Dictionary states concerning the word scapegoat and its original meaning that it is:

" . . . a mistranslation in Vulgate of Hebrew 'azazel (Leviticus 16:8,10,26), which was read as 'ez ozel or the "goat that departs," but is actually the proper name of a devil or demon in Jewish mythology . . . "

Today the word scapegoat has the connotation of someone who is UNJUSTLY blamed for the sins of others. The Azazel goat represents Satan, who is no scapegoat. He is guilty of his part in our sins.
Deuteronomy 24:1

KJV: "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house."
Correction: "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house . . ."
Comments: As the Savior explained in Matthew 19, Moses did not command divorce. This statute is regulating the permission of divorce because of the HARDNESS of the people's hearts.2Kings 2:23

KJV: "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."
Correction: "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth young men out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head." Isaiah 65:17

KJV: "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."
Correction: "For, behold, I am creating [am about to create] new heavens and new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.Ezekiel 20:25

KJV: "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; "
Correction: "Wherefore I permitted them, or gave them over to, false statutes that are not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."
Comments: God's laws are good, perfect and right. This verse shows that since Israel rejected God's laws, He allowed them to hurt themselves by following false man made customs and laws. Malachi 4:6

KJV: "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
Correction: "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction."
Comments: The word curse doesn't give the proper sense here. The phrase should be translated as utter destruction as it is in Zechariah 14:11.

AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ONNNNN!!!!

Well done genius - that is a straight cut and paste from WhoAreIsraelites.Org

What you deliberately left out by cutting the list short was the conclusion (that bit right at the end) -

Conclusion

The King James Version Bible is a word-for-word translation. Other translations, such as the New International Version (NIV), are meaning-for-meaning translations. The multitude of modern translations have not captured the elegance and beauty, NOR THE OVERALL ACCURACY of the King James Version. C. S. Lewis sagely remarked, “Odd the way the less the Bible is read, the more it is translated.” In spite of its imperfections, the King James Version remains a masterpiece.


And you accuse us of misrepresentation!! You sir are a hypocrite

All the best

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

For the love of God.
Wth is wrong with you?
He wants everyone to go to Heaven by becoming a righteous person. I'm not saying that He is failing by any means. He wants every single person to obey him so we all follow the straight path and end up in Paradise. But many of us don't obey him.

. . . which means He is not achieving the goal you claim He has, which is for everyone to obey and enter Heaven.

Not achieving one's goal is called "failing". You claim God is failing.

You really should be familiar with the concept by now.

[TheLightOfAllan]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Who cares what atheists believe?

Do you seriously think that Mohammed ACTUALLY heard the voice of an angel based on his sole and unsubstantiated testimony?

HE HEARD IT.

It's totally far-fetched nonsense next to the wonder of Jesus' birth from a virgin and temporary death.

Nop, FAIL ATTEMPT.

The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had. While this article is necessary to point out the KJV errors, it should be noted that the errors, omissions and additions made by the RSV, NIV, and other modern translations are much, much WORSE!
Mistakes in the King James Bible (KJV)

The verse(s) in question are given first and then what is the correct or Correction.Genesis 1:2

KJV: "And the earth was without form, and void; . . . "

Correction: "And the earth became without form, and void; . . . "

Comments: The word translated "was" is hayah (Hebrew: היה, Strong's Concordance Number #H1961) and denotes a condition different than a former condition, as in Genesis 19:26.
Genesis 10:9

KJV: " . . . Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD."
Correction: " . . . Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter in place of the LORD."
Comments: The word "before" is incorrect and gives the connotation that Nimrod was a good guy, which is false. Nimrod placed himself in OPPOSITION to God.
Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26

KJV: "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. . . . But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. . . . And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp."

Correction: "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for Azazel. . . . But the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement upon it and sent away into the wilderness for Azazel . . . And he that let go the goat for Azazel shall wash his clothes and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp." (Holy Bible in its Original Order Translation)
Comments: The meaning of the word scapegoat is different today than it was during the time of the King James translators. The Online Etymology Dictionary states concerning the word scapegoat and its original meaning that it is:

" . . . a mistranslation in Vulgate of Hebrew 'azazel (Leviticus 16:8,10,26), which was read as 'ez ozel or the "goat that departs," but is actually the proper name of a devil or demon in Jewish mythology . . . "

Today the word scapegoat has the connotation of someone who is UNJUSTLY blamed for the sins of others. The Azazel goat represents Satan, who is no scapegoat. He is guilty of his part in our sins.
Deuteronomy 24:1

KJV: "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house."
Correction: "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house . . ."
Comments: As the Savior explained in Matthew 19, Moses did not command divorce. This statute is regulating the permission of divorce because of the HARDNESS of the people's hearts.2Kings 2:23

KJV: "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."
Correction: "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth young men out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head." Isaiah 65:17

KJV: "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."
Correction: "For, behold, I am creating [am about to create] new heavens and new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.Ezekiel 20:25

KJV: "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; "
Correction: "Wherefore I permitted them, or gave them over to, false statutes that are not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."
Comments: God's laws are good, perfect and right. This verse shows that since Israel rejected God's laws, He allowed them to hurt themselves by following false man made customs and laws. Malachi 4:6

KJV: "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
Correction: "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction."
Comments: The word curse doesn't give the proper sense here. The phrase should be translated as utter destruction as it is in Zechariah 14:11.



AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ONNNNN!!!!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

If you ask an atheist: What would you rather believe->
1)That Mohamed heard voices of the angel Gabriel?
OR
2)That Jesus Christ was born while no man had touched her mother?
It's pretty obvious.
I certainly believe in the miraculously birth of Jesus Christ but what would the atheist rather believe?
Or even 3)Christianity is the right religion mate despite they have 24000-25000 different versions of the Bible even if they say that the KJV is the right one (which is NOT) out of all 24000 different sorts of Bibles.

Who cares what atheists believe?

Do you seriously think that Mohammed ACTUALLY heard the voice of an angel based on his sole and unsubstantiated testimony?

It's totally far-fetched nonsense next to the wonder of Jesus' birth from a virgin and temporary death.

[TheLightOfAllan]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Oh no! I promise to try harder to be clever and believe in the words of a man in a cave hearing voices in his head.

If you ask an atheist: What would you rather believe->
1)That Mohamed heard voices of the angel Gabriel?
OR
2)That Jesus Christ was born while no man had touched her mother?
It's pretty obvious.
I certainly believe in the miraculously birth of Jesus Christ but what would the atheist rather believe?
Or even 3)Christianity is the right religion mate despite they have 24000-25000 different versions of the Bible even if they say that the KJV is the right one (which is NOT) out of all 24000 different sorts of Bibles.

[TheLightOfAllan]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

"Consider this to start with — if one must have all the words of the original and only the words of the original, in one book, to be able to call that book the word of God, what shall we say to the fact that not only do no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts agree with each other 100% (including no two editions of the Textus Receptus), no two editions of the King James Version agree perfectly either? The first KJV appeared in 1611. However, the KJV used widely today is the 1769 Benjamin Blayney revision. The fact is, unless your KJV contains the Apocrypha and spells Jew as ‘Iewe’ and cattle as ‘cattell’, you do not have a 1611 KJV! As for the italics, in Matthew’s Gospel alone, the 1769 KJV has 315 more uses of italics than the 1611 edition. Did you know that the 1769 KJV differs from the 1611 edition in a total of 75,000 details, 421 of which are noticeable to the ear when read aloud? It is true that most of these involve adjustments to archaic spelling, the correction of printing errors and the more regular use of italics — and about 72% of the noticeable textual changes had been made by 1638, only 27 years after the KJV was first published. However, the following are examples of corrections that were not made until 1762, over 150 years after the KJV was first published. These do not involve corrections of spelling or printing errors:

Matt 16:16
1611 KJV ‘‘Thou art Christ.’’
Current KJV ‘‘Thou art the Christ.’’

John 12:22
1611 KJV ‘‘Andrew and Philip told Jesus.’’
Current KJV ‘‘Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.’’

Romans 3v24
1611 KJV ‘‘the redemption that is in Jesus Christ’’
Current KJV ‘‘the redemption that is in Christ Jesus’’

(For a full list see Dr. F. Scrivener’s, The Authorized Edition of the English Bible, 1884, Appendix A).

It is acknowledged that these revisions are slight and do not affect any fundamental doctrine. However, they are real revisions; in light of which we ask, was the 1611 KJV really the infallible, inerrant and perfect word of God? If so, the modern KJV is ‘corrupt’. However, if the modern KJV is the perfect word of God, the 1611 edition was ‘corrupt’. Which is it? This argument alone spells the end of the myth of a ‘perfectly preserved imperfection free KJV’. The next time someone tells you the KJV is the ‘mistake free, error free, completely perfect translation’, ask him which edition he is referring to. If he says 1769 ask him where the ‘perfect word of God’ was in 1768. Ask him if every preacher who held up the KJV in 1611 and said ‘‘This book is the word of God ’’ was a liar. Now you can see the humour of ‘1611 AV’ defenders, who are actually defending the ‘1769 AV’!

Let’s examine this further. ‘KJV only’ advocates state categorically that God must have kept a perfect Bible somewhere - otherwise His promises to preserve His word are worthless - yet many of them teach that no language in the world has a perfect Bible except English, and that no Englishman saw a perfect Bible until at least 1611. Samuel Gipp, a KJV only author, asserts that if a Russian wants to read the perfect, inerrant and infallible word of God, he has to learn English and read the KJV! However, if, prior to 1611, no perfect book existed (in any language) which one could call the infallible word of God, there are only two options open to us - either God had failed for over 1,500 years to keep His promise, or the KJV only advocates have misinterpreted that promise. Clearly, the latter is the case.

How to answer a KJV Only advocate

When a KJV onlyite asks ‘‘Where is God’s word today?’’ reply to him as follows: ‘‘Where was God’s word in 1610?’’ If he replies ‘‘I’m not interested in 1610 — I’m interested in where the word of God is now ’’ you know you have a sophist on your hands who is not prepared to discuss the issue sanely and sensibly. However, if he says ‘‘The word of God was represented in the Bibles translated by the Waldensians, Wycliffe, Tyndale and Coverdale’’ ask him if these Bibles were 100% perfect. If he answers ‘‘Yes’’ he needs to do some homework, for all these Bibles differ from the KJV 1611 (incidentally, the Waldensian Bible and Wycliffe’s Bible came from the Latin Vulgate, not the original Greek and Hebrew). However, if he answers ‘‘No’’ ask him again, ‘‘Where was the perfect inerrant preserved word of God in 1610?’’ This is a reasonable question which is not at all hypothetical. If he says the word of God was represented in the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament and the Textus Receptus of the New Testament, ask him which edition of the Textus Receptus he is referring to. From 1516 (Erasmus’ 1st edition) to 1650 (Elziver’s 3rd) more than 25 editions of the Textus Receptus were produced. Which one was the perfect word of God? If none of them was, had God failed in His promise to preserve the word of God at that stage? If the ‘KJV-onlyite’ says the word of God was preserved, prior to the KJV, not in one but in various manuscripts (thus the ‘originals’ do exist after all); however now, by a divine work of God in grace and providence, all the words of God have been put into a single book (the KJV 1769 in English), he has just defeated his own argument. He has admitted that prior to 1769, every translation and text was corrupt - while God’s word was still being preserved across a variety of Greek and Hebrew manuscripts - thus the people of God had no one book they could call the ‘word of God’ and we are back to square one - God’s promise, as interpreted by the KJVO advocates, wasn’t worth the paper it was written on prior to 1611."

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

I am not trying to convert you, you're way to idiotic and arrogant to accept Islam.

Oh no! I promise to try harder to be clever and believe in the words of a man in a cave hearing voices in his head.

[TheLightOfAllan]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

They are not. Find a single post from pastors of LBC where the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) is found corrupted. The Holy Bible is Perfect and without mistakes. It is written by God!

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

YiC, M

Would for the love of God watch this. It's a video that's 10 min long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZ7MLQorwA