[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Originally Posted by Brother D. Thomas
"connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board ..blah ..blah –> and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture ......"

(Watchtower, August 1, 1993, p17)

that's a good 'un Mr Thomas
That really just don't get it it do they?

[Seth Campbell]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher,

Hey, Hell bound JW, what part of your Watchtower Devil Speak that I posted earlier in this thread, and which is shown again below, didn’t you understand?! Huh? Follow your Satanic JW cult and get the hell out of Dodge post haste!

It's quite obvious that you don’t want to confront your own cultist faith’s direct command for you to stay off the internet because of said reasons, because of your silence on said topic.

Here, for the sake of brevity, let me post your JW rules for you again;

"connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board can open the way to serious spiritual dangers. ......Unless a bulletin board, even one labeled "JW Only," is properly supervised, with its use being limited to those who are mature, faithful servants of Jehovah, it could expose Christian users to "bad associations." (1 Cor. 15:33) The Society has received reports that such so-called private networks have been used not only to speculate regarding spiritual matters but also to give bad advice, spread gossip and false information, plant negative ideas, raise questions and doubts that subvert the faith of some, and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture ......" (Watchtower, August 1, 1993, p17)

Now, get lost, besides, your copy and paste of your Satanic JW diatribe is wearing thin and is getting more laughable by the day. What you're proposing is that the bible contradicts itself, and I am sure that this act will not be tolerated here at LBC!

Brother, I am holding out until he either snaps back to sanity or becomes completely lost by being baptized JW. Do JW's even baptize? Who knows. I don't see how anyone who has read the Bible can fall for that silly cult.

Oh, and I heard about this at the hospital today. Brother Basher hasn't been studying "organic farming" in Hawaii by any chance has he?

Organic Hawaiian Strawberries Paralyze Man

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher,

Hey, Hell bound JW, what part of your Watchtower Devil Speak that I posted earlier in this thread, and which is shown again below, didn’t you understand?! Huh? Follow your Satanic JW cult and get the hell out of Dodge post haste!

It's quite obvious that you don’t want to confront your own cultist faith’s direct command for you to stay off the internet because of said reasons, because of your silence on said topic.

Here, for the sake of brevity, let me post your JW rules for you again;

"connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board can open the way to serious spiritual dangers. ......Unless a bulletin board, even one labeled "JW Only," is properly supervised, with its use being limited to those who are mature, faithful servants of Jehovah, it could expose Christian users to "bad associations." (1 Cor. 15:33) The Society has received reports that such so-called private networks have been used not only to speculate regarding spiritual matters but also to give bad advice, spread gossip and false information, plant negative ideas, raise questions and doubts that subvert the faith of some, and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture ......" (Watchtower, August 1, 1993, p17)

Now, get lost, besides, your copy and paste of your Satanic JW diatribe is wearing thin and is getting more laughable by the day. What you're proposing is that the bible contradicts itself, and I am sure that this act will not be tolerated here at LBC!

Shows how weak they are in their faith, potential brother in Christ, that they are so afraid of people moving towards Jesus once more. That's what you get from them, "Ban this and censor that!" It's a wonder they manage to go about any sort of daily business. They just want to keep their people locked away from the world. It's no wonder we don't let them set foot in Freehold to poison the minds of our children and women.

[Brother D. Thomas]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher,

Hey, Hell bound JW, what part of your Watchtower Devil Speak that I posted earlier in this thread, and which is shown again below, didn’t you understand?! Huh? Follow your Satanic JW cult and get the hell out of Dodge post haste!

It's quite obvious that you don’t want to confront your own cultist faith’s direct command for you to stay off the internet because of said reasons, because of your silence on said topic.

Here, for the sake of brevity, let me post your JW rules for you again;

"connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board can open the way to serious spiritual dangers. ......Unless a bulletin board, even one labeled "JW Only," is properly supervised, with its use being limited to those who are mature, faithful servants of Jehovah, it could expose Christian users to "bad associations." (1 Cor. 15:33) The Society has received reports that such so-called private networks have been used not only to speculate regarding spiritual matters but also to give bad advice, spread gossip and false information, plant negative ideas, raise questions and doubts that subvert the faith of some, and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture ......" (Watchtower, August 1, 1993, p17)

Now, get lost, besides, your copy and paste of your Satanic JW diatribe is wearing thin and is getting more laughable by the day. What you're proposing is that the bible contradicts itself, and I am sure that this act will not be tolerated here at LBC!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Why join a death cult? Why?

A group of people wishing for the end of the world and smugly imagining they will be the ones who are saved due to following what they cherry pick from a botched translation of the Bible doesn't sound all that smart.

I'm sticking with Jesus!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Catholicism is like a giant country, with many great universities and scholars. The watchtower doesn't really compete.

Yes, just like those scribes and pharisees who know the Torah inside out right? They were much holier than those fishermen disciples, weren't they?

You dodge my questions and comments again, John 1.

No, I answered it and yet you are repeating the same thing over and over again.

We have the professional scholars and the Greek Orthodox speak Greek native.

Why do you need anybody who speaks Greek? After all, the REAL scholars don't care about the meaning of the Greek words and just read Young's Literal Translation, right?

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Although it is clear that Jesus did not raise himself up from the dead, was he really talking about the “temple” of his human, physical body that he would raise up in three days? The apostle Peter says: "Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18) Regarding Christ's physical body, Insight on the Scriptures explains: "The physical body of Jesus Christ was not allowed to decay into dust as did the bodies of Moses and David, men who were used to foreshadow Christ...When his disciples went to the tomb early on the first day of the week, Jesus' body had disappeared...doubtless having been disintegrated without passing through the process of decaying." (Vol.1, page 349) After his resurrection Jesus materialized suitable bodies just as angels have done. That explains why even his former close friends did not immediately recognize him when he appeared to them.(John 20:14,15, 24-29; 21:4; Luke 24:15,16, 30,31, 36-45) Since Jesus was not raised up in his human body of flesh and blood, but was made "alive in the spirit," it goes to reason that neither was he speaking about his fleshly body that he would raise up in three days.
The Scriptures do discuss another "body of Christ," though, that did not yet exist at the time he was talking to the Jews after he had cleansed the temple; and that body is the Christian congregation of which he is the head. "He is the head of the body, the congregation." (Col. 1:18) "[The God of our Lord Jesus Christ] raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places...and made him head over all things to the congregation, which is his body." (Eph. 1:22,23) Indeed, the apostle Paul compares the members of the congregation of Christ's body to that of a husband and wife, saying: "A husband is head of his wife as the Christ also is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body...He who loves his wife loves himself, for no man ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation, because we are members of his body.'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' This sacred secret is great. Now I am speaking with respect to Christ and the congregation." (Eph. 5:22,23, 28-32)


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The Trinitarian is very inconsistent. But Paul's comment here is not surprising since God is Spirit and Jesus was bodily swallowed up in Spirit in his resurrection, such that death was swallowed up in victory. And Paul tells us why we Christians also have this same fullness of deity. We have been circumcised in the flesh in baptism with Christ and raised up with him into the heavenlies. Paul is saying that since Christ "put off the flesh" at the cross, we too put off the flesh by dying with him in baptism and since Christ was then raised up by the power of God into that fullness we too are raised up by the power of God and into that same fullness. So Colossians 2:9 is a reference to the nature of Jesus' bodily resurrection, that is, Spirit. And of course having this fullness of deity does not make Jesus "God" anymore than it makes us "God" because we have that same fullness.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

I am so upshet by the defection osh the heathenbasher defection I had alittle sherry sho excuse me but my comment on the catlick window as it pretains t the childrumpside violations (as above picture proves and now edit added below)is it looks int h window like the lubricating process has begun, there...

why is not the windows stoned to the ground is my question.
i hate them
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[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

They even flaunt it in their church windows.

When they're lit from the inside, it's like a beacon in the night for the pedophiles wandering around for fresh meat, flashing OPEN ALL NIGHT....
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Well that just proves that the Chtholic (and most likely the joo) only has eyes for young, vibrant, flaxan haired young youths to penetrate thier young bottoms with thier penile member.

YIC

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

I'm sorry but Chtolosim is about placing the penile member in b'twixt young boy. Nothing more, nothing less.

They even flaunt it in their church windows.

When they're lit from the inside, it's like a beacon in the night for the pedophiles wandering around for fresh meat, flashing OPEN ALL NIGHT....
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[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Catholicism is like a giant country, with many great universities and scholars. The watchtower doesn't really compete.

You dodge my questions and comments again, John 1.

Again you go to Greek to avoid explaining things properly. Why not use Young's Literal Translation? No interpretations in the translation.

I am not Catholic but I am friends with them. And I am more in Spirit filled often protestant churches. We have the professional scholars and the Greek Orthodox speak Greek native.

I'm sorry but Chtolosim is about placing the penile member in b'twixt young boy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Think on.

YIC

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Again, the real question is:

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Did your new best friends the "Jehova Witlesses" reveal to you they were put in "The Camps" in World War II ALONG WITH known homosexuals, Joos, gypsies, "intellectuals", etc??

Why do you want to be associated with a bunch of oven dodgers?

Why do you want to be associated with known homosexuals, Joos, gypsies, "intellectuals", etc??
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WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??

[Novatian]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Catholicism is like a giant country, with many great universities and scholars. The watchtower doesn't really compete.

You dodge my questions and comments again, John 1.

Again you go to Greek to avoid explaining things properly. Why not use Young's Literal Translation? No interpretations in the translation.

I am not Catholic but I am friends with them. And I am more in Spirit filled often protestant churches. We have the professional scholars and the Greek Orthodox speak Greek native.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Blah blah blah

Whatever. You have nothing of import to add to this discussion. You're obviously nothing but a Catholic.

On John 2:19

On one occasion, when the Jews demanded a sign from Jesus, he replied:“Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews thought he was speaking of the temple building, but the apostle John explains:“He was talking about the temple of his body.” When he was resurrected by his Father Jehovah on the third day of his death, the disciples recalled and understood this saying and believed it.(Joh 2:18-22; Mt 27:40) He was resurrected, but not in his fleshly body, which was given as a ransom sacrifice; yet that fleshly body did not go into corruption, but was disposed of by God, just as a sacrifice was consumed on the altar. Jesus, when resurrected, was the same person, the same personality, in a new body made for his new dwelling place, the spiritual heavens.—Lu 24:1-7; 1Pe 3:18; Mt 20:28; Ac 2:31; Heb 13:8.

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Trinitarians often make much noise concerning the meaning of the word theotes at Colossians 2:9. It is often translated as "Godhead" which is obviously a word conveniently employed by Trinitarians because it is more easily peppered with concepts of one Godhead of three persons. However the English word "Godhead" is a compound English word which nuances concepts totally vacant from the Greek word theotes or its form here theotetos.

The Greek word theotes refers not to "God" in the sense of identifying a person but to the essence of deity and in this case the essence of deity of the Deity. Here Paul is saying that the essence of Jesus' God dwells in the risen Jesus bodily. The word theotes is not referring to "who" but "what."



Trinitarian Inconsistency

Just what are Trinitarians trying to argue. On one hand they argue that the fleshly body of Jesus is his humanity. On the other hand, they are here arguing that he is bodily "God." They are being patently inconistent with the facts.


Paul is speaking in the present tense

A very, very common interpretation error here is to miss that Paul is speaking in the present tense and necessarily referring to the bodily nature of the risen Christ. Paul would not have made the same statement about the incarnate and yet unrisen Jesus.

[Novatian]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Now let me tell you what's not a delusion my fine friend.

Did your new best friends the "Jehova Witlesses" reveal to you they were put in "The Camps" in World War II ALONG WITH known homosexuals, Joos, gypsies, "intellectuals", etc??

FACT.

Why do you want to be associated with a bunch of oven dodgers?

Why do you want to be associated with known homosexuals, Joos, gypsies, "intellectuals", etc??

This gives the impression that you sympathize with Nazism, true?

[Novatian]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

"Blah Blah Blah"? And the others? And so you avoid the question of how Jesus did not lie when he said He would raise Himself? And Don't comment on Jesus combat with death, the question of How can never die...


How did I twist the OT quotes?

The Colossians quote does not say we have the same fullness, it says we are complete. Otherwise we also have qualities Jesus has as mentioned in those verses.

Jesus was thye fullness of the Godhead before He was born, and according to Philippians 2, was emptied, and found Himself in the form of a servant and was obedient. He made gains by doing all this and rising from the dead. For such obedience!

You avoid things mentioned before about not worshiping angels in Colossians... dodgings... many things. Also that the world came into being through Jesus, and that the three do things together, and in that that Jesus raised Himself.

You avoid Jesus' work from the cross to the empty tomb, things not even Michael the archangel could do!

2Pe 1:4 through which He has given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, so that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. MKJV

Jesus never lusted and the passage above goes onto mention development in true Christians. Again, you have misinterpreted the verses and are in error. Keep it in context. Jesus never had a sinful nature, Jesus grew in favour. Jesus' nature was love and hunger and tiredness...

We receive Christ and are complete, potentially, but will never be the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Instead of explaining scriptures with scriptures you take them apart with root word allusions, and notions that can't be sustained and dodge questions.

We can come to have a nature like God. We can't have the fullness of the Godhead in us. Remember the idea of incarnation and John ch 1?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
Joh 1:2 this one was in the beginning with God;
Joh 1:3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. YLT

Even wisdom came by Him and no other thing before Him at all.

Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,

Joh 1:5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Joh 1:6 There came a man--having been sent from God--whose name is John,
Joh 1:7 this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
Joh 1:8 that one was not the Light, but--that he might testify about the Light.
Joh 1:9 He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
Joh 1:10 in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him: YLT

The world came through Him, Creator God, and He was before John the Baptist and Abraham...

Joh 1:11 to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
Joh 1:12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,
Joh 1:13 who--not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but--of God were begotten.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth. Young's Literal Translation

We can only become sons by the Son's work. Partakers of divine nature but not vastness... He is the Word, that is why He is the fullness of the Godhead.





The church didn't really have the Bible in the third century. In a sense that had more, and had to check everything with the OT.
They had healing rallies and the true Spirit in the successors of the apostles. And many oral traditions of weight.

Jesus learned obedience in His humanity, He had a human like nature and had to learn to walk and eat and do normal things, then the great things. A lot has to be said for Mary His mother. Excellent Jewish family.

Jesus human spirit was tempted to worship Satan, His soul to test God, His body to satisfy natural hunger. Remember the quotes I gave you about why Satan wanted to kill Jesus? And about the angels not being able to accomplish what Jesus did?