[Daniel G]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Yes.

Why don't you inject yourself the AIDS virus and show the world how your sky wizard will immunize your body of it? I'll be the first to become a believer if you do it.

And I suppose you would chalk that up to natural selection, evolution, or what ever 'science' bs you libral 'scientists' are making up now days...

[Didymus Much]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

...there's still no empirical evidences...

empirical
[em-pir-i-kuh l]
adjective
1. derived from or guided by experience or experiment.
2. depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine.
3. provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/empirical

Someone prays for something to happen; if it happens, THAT IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for the existence of God, by the DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

Dismissing evidence because it goes against their beliefs (as you are doing here) is a sure sign that someone doesn't understand the scientific method. They may know all the words, but not what they mean. Don't believe me? Ask your teacher.

...If he does exist, pray that he smites me for saying he's a fairy tale skywizard and let see if I'm still here.

And that would be PROOF (I've explained this to you before) which is incompatible with faith (look both those words up), so it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN, and proves NOTHING about the existence of God.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Someone prays for something to happen; if it happens, THAT IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for the existence of God, by the DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

Dismissing evidence because it goes against their beliefs (as you are doing here) is a sure sign that someone doesn't understand the scientific method. They may know all the words, but not what they mean. Don't believe me? Ask your teacher.



And that would be PROOF (I've explained this to you before) which is incompatible with faith (look both those words up), so it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN, and proves NOTHING about the existence of God.

In a scientific context, idiot.

In science, empirical evidence is required for a hypothesis to gain acceptance in the scientific community. Normally, this validation is achieved by the scientific method of hypothesis commitment, experimental design, peer review, adversarial review, reproduction of results, conference presentation and journal publication. This requires rigorous communication of hypothesis (usually expressed in mathematics), experimental constraints and controls (expressed necessarily in terms of standard experimental apparatus), and a common understanding of measurement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

[Didymus Much]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

...In a scientific context, idiot...

Ignoring the fallacy you keep using, if it meant something different in a "scientific context", that definition would also be listed in the dictionary (with a "Scientific:" prefix, possibly), and, hey, guess what? IT'S NOT THERE.

...more that I knew before you were born snipped...

The fact that an experiment, such as I outlined above, which relied solely on the evidence as presented would not pass rigorous scientific review does NOT allow you to claim that "it's not evidence".

I also note that you tellingly failed to mention these parts of the article you cited in your attempt to prove me wrong:

"...Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of a claim..."

"...In another sense, empirical evidence may be synonymous with the outcome of an experiment..."

So carry on in your "scientific" life ignoring evidence that does not agree with your assumptions. Guess who else does that? These people. That should tell you something.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Saying GOD IS because some bronze old book that was modified by some corrupt king in medieval age says so is pretty funny in my opinion, as there's still no empirical evidences nor scientific evidences that a god exists.

Faith isn't a chemical equation, dear. You cannot plug in certain elements and create something like God from it. No, that's silly. Faith comes from hearing the Gospel Message, and the Message is heard through the Holy Word about Christ (Romans 10:17). It is through faith that the existence of the LORD is confirmed.

If he does exist, pray that he smites me for saying he's a fairy tale skywizard and let see if I'm still here.

Praying

[I am a tool of satan]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

You talk a lot about AIDS and you always blame gays for it, do you at least know what AIDS is or how it affects the body? Also, you can have it for many more reasons than only sexual relationships, I suggest you to research a bit

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

You talk a lot about AIDS and you always blame gays for it, do you at least know what AIDS is or how it affects the body? Also, you can have it for many more reasons than only sexual relationships, I suggest you to research a bit

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Ignoring the fallacy you keep using, if it meant something different in a "scientific context", that definition would also be listed in the dictionary (with a "Scientific:" prefix, possibly), and, hey, guess what? IT'S NOT THERE.

The fact that an experiment, such as I outlined above, which relied solely on the evidence as presented would not pass rigorous scientific review does NOT allow you to claim that "it's not evidence".

I also note that you tellingly failed to mention these parts of the article you cited in your attempt to prove me wrong:

"...Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of a claim..."

"...In another sense, empirical evidence may be synonymous with the outcome of an experiment..."

So carry on in your "scientific" life ignoring evidence that does not agree with your assumptions. Guess who else does that? These people. That should tell you something.

This is getting to a whole new level of ignorance.

Stop it with the strawman. You simply fail to understand scientific terms.

The definition of empirical is clearly : originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>



What you quoted actually support what I say : "...Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of a claim..."

"...In another sense, empirical evidence may be synonymous with the outcome of an experiment..."

I feel bad for your lack of education.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Oh look, the Jesus-haters are having a cat fight!

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

The proportion of scientists who doubt that HIV causes AIDS is tiny, and shows no sign of increasing. It seems likely that new and better evidence, including the obvious benefits of modern drug treatments, has caused many former dissidents to change their minds.

Such claims have been examined extensively in the peer-reviewed medical and scientific literature; a scientific consensus has arisen that denialist claims have been convincingly disproved, and that HIV does indeed cause AIDS.

And who paid for these "peer reviewed" studies you speak of? Big pharma, who has a lot of very expensive AIDS medicine they'd like to keep on selling.

You claim there's "scientific consensus" about the cause of AIDS? Would these be the same scientists who arrived at a "consensus" about global warming being caused by humans?

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

Saying GOD IS because some bronze old book that was modified by some corrupt king in medieval age says so is pretty funny in my opinion, ...

In your...opinion?

Nobody is interested of your opinion.
We are interested what LORD says in

If he does exist, pray that he smites me for saying he's a fairy tale skywizard and let see if I'm still here.

Proverbs 13:2

[Didymus Much]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

...The definition of empirical is clearly : originating in or based on observation...

Exactly. You observe the prayer happening, then you observe what was prayed for happening.

What part of that are you failing to understand?

...or experience...

As opposed to theory. Gee, that's sounding a lot like the definition I gave above:

Quote:
empirical
[em-pir-i-kuh l]
adjective
1. derived from or guided by experience or experiment.
2. depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine.
3. provable or verifiable by experience or experiment..

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

And who paid for these "peer reviewed" studies you speak of? Big pharma, who has a lot of very expensive AIDS medicine they'd like to keep on selling.

You claim there's "scientific consensus" about the cause of AIDS? Would these be the same scientists who arrived at a "consensus" about global warming being caused by humans?

Would you like a tinfoil hat?

[Ex-soccer player]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

If you believe aids is curable with your sky-daddy, please do humanity a favor and inject yourself AIDS. Show everyone how your prayers will eradicate it.

Why don't you inject yourself the AIDS virus and show the world how your sky wizard will immunize your body of it? I'll be the first to become a believer if you do it.

Did satan send you here to persecute us? He tried the same tricks with Jesus:

Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. - Matthew 4:5-7


Somebody with AIDS who takes HIV medicines is a double sinner and makes everything worse.

Imagine a disobedient son who angers his father. When the father wants to punish the son the son slaps the rod out of his father's hand. Maybe the disobedient son will escape his punishment for the moment, just like the aids-ridden homer might feel better after taking his medicine. But God is not mocked (Galatians 6:7), He will become furious about his son's behaviour and in the end the punishment will only be a hundred times harder. So it does not help to slap the rod (AIDS) out of God's hand. Instead of trying to escape God's just punishment the homers should repent of their sins

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Church Cures The AIDS On Grand Scale During "Pride" March!

The definition of empirical is clearly : originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>

This is why I don't trust secular scientists. They say things like this, like empirical evidence is based on observation or experience, then go on to utterly dismiss the observations and experiences of Christians. They constantly move the goal posts so a Christian will never be respected.