[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Huh? Hillary's rape victims? Trump is the sexual predator.

And that "genocidal anti-semite" is credited with being one of the first to start the reformation.

What's with the "sneer quotes"? Are you denying Luther's antisemitism, or the massacres he encouraged?

Because I think what you just did was say that long-term results matter, even if they come from imperfect people. Did you just switch sides in this debate without telling me?

I believe that it would wrong before God to give my support to either of the nominees; there's no "lesser of two evils", they're both wicked.

I believe it would be wrong before God to sit back and watch Hillary rape people. See my quote about judging the tree by fruits. Results matter.

No, I'm criticizing your shoddy analogy in which you postulated that my vote decided whether we got nasty Chinese food or a rapist pizza guy. My vote does have an impact, just not one as large as you make it appear.

So your conscience says Ken Bone followed by rape. Why didn't you just say so?

[Dolores de Barriga]

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So you're saying I should vote for either a sexual predator or a compulsive liar?

So you don't want to vote for Trump, we get it.


Why not Hillary, then, since she is neither sexual predator nor a compulsive liar (at least not by Trump's standards)?

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

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Clearly you have no clue how the voting system works.

Still waiting for your apology for this.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Why not Hillary, then, since she is neither sexual predator nor a compulsive liar (at least not by Trump's standards)?

I'll tell you why I'm voting against Hillary - not half-voting against her - because my conscience cannot allow me to do anything, no matter how small, that could nudge us toward nuclear war. Nuclear war is such a huge issue - we are talking about the destruction of everything humanity has ever built, and ever will built, the murder of everyone born and yet-to-be born - it really makes every other issue look like the squabbling of toddlers.

Hillary does not have the temperament to control nuclear weapons - she's a loose cannon, unpredictable, easily provoked, constantly sending mixed messages to other nuclear powers, causing all sorts of instability worldwide - just as a candidate mind you, she hasn't even taken office yet.

If President Trump faces a nuclear crisis, he will listen to the best experts, follow the established best practices, and use his proven professionalism and self-control to get things back to normal. Can you say that with 100% certainty about ALL the candidates?
You'll have no bathtub to scrub your conscience when the world is a radioactive desert.

[handmaiden]

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Trump is the sexual predator.

You're saying that like it's a bad thing. The Bible clarifies for us that it is a contextual thing. If you marry the girl and pay the girl's father, you have obeyed God's Law and adhered to social norms. Or do you think you can one up the Lord in regards to morality?

And that "genocidal anti-semite"[Luther] is credited with being one of the first to start the reformation.

True Christians™ did not need a reformation.They had the Bible and they followed it. Or they didn't-- in which case they weren't True Christians™.


Refuting one false religion with another false religion doesn't really make sense. You either believe the Bible and obey, or reject the Bible and go your own way, accepting the consequences of your actions. And speaking of going your own way. . .

I believe that it would wrong before God to give my support to either of the nominees; there's no "lesser of two evils", they're both wicked.

There you go again with your personal beliefs. Are you saying that God told you that these two specific people are wicked? Are you saying that God told you not to vote for either of them? It's hardly my place to measure your personal grasp of reality, but there are a lot of people out there who are every bit as sure as you are that God is telling them something entirely different.


Who is God really talking to? You could fight a war to decide. A lot of seriously religious people went that way. Or you could actually read the whole Bible and devote yourself completely to doing what God tells you to do in His Own Holy Word. If nothing else that would keep you busy while the election sorts itself out. Or you could just admit that you are following your own conscience filtered through a flagon of Christian Lite flavored beverage. It's perfect for children who can't be trusted with a cup of real wine.

No, I'm criticizing your shoddy analogy in which you postulated that my vote decided whether we got nasty Chinese food or a rapist pizza guy. My vote does have an impact, just not one as large as you make it appear.

Hey, it's Columbus Day. The guy has pizza on his mind, give him a break.


Individually Yours,


Handmaiden

[Princess L]

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What's with the "sneer quotes"? Are you denying Luther's antisemitism, or the massacres he encouraged?

Because I think what you just did was say that long-term results matter, even if they come from imperfect people. Did you just switch sides in this debate without telling me?

I believe it would be wrong before God to sit back and watch Hillary rape people. See my quote about judging the tree by fruits. Results matter.

So your conscience says Ken Bone followed by rape. Why didn't you just say so?

I simply used quotation marks to denote that I was quoting you. And somehow you're now getting reformation and election voting mixed up.


Trump's the rapist at worst, and a sexual assaulter at the least. Hillary is just a lying liberal loudmouth.

[Princess L]

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Still waiting for your apology for this.

And you'll get it when Hell freezes over

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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I simply used quotation marks to denote that I was quoting you.

Don't give me "just saying". Do you or do you not deny the antisemitic massacres in question?

And somehow you're now getting reformation and election voting mixed up.

You brought up the subject. Now tell me: do results matter?

Trump's the rapist at worst, and a sexual assaulter at the least. Hillary is just a lying liberal loudmouth.

I'm glad you agree that women become loudmouths when they think they can talk like men. We're making progress here. But why are you treating the two electable candidates as equivalents when you obviously don't believe that they are?

You know that if we're lucky, a nuclear war would only kill 6,000,000,000 of us. So voting for nuclear war is like voting for the holocaust, and then voting for the holocaust again, and so on until you've voted for the holocaust 1,000 times.
1,000 holocausts is equivalent to WHAT again?





If there's 60 people in this pile, I'll have to copy and paste it 100 million times to show you what a nuclear war would look like. Equivalent to WHAT again?

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

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And you'll get it when Hell freezes over

Jeb is the one talking about nuclear winters, you'll have to discuss this with him.

I don't claim to the world authority on electoral systems, but I think your "it doesn't matter" thesis does not give you the right to declare I know nothing about whether election winners actually, you know, win.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Now tell me: do results matter?

I'm going to guess that she actually does believe that results matter, after all, if conscience were everything, simply staying at home on election day and thinking nice thoughts about Paul Ryan would be enough. God would know how she feels, her conscience would know, and there would be no need to keep result-based voters waiting in line at the polling booth.

Did you know who Hitler's political rival was? A lesser of two evils, that's who. Paul von Hindenburg was a disaster, and the blimp named after him wasn't much good either. I'm sure in the ruins of 1945 lots of people were saying "Well, I wasn't going to vote for the lesser of two evils, and my conscience is clean thanks to my write-in vote for Mickey Mouse..." I'm not sure they got a lot of sympathy then, and I'm not sure the same excuse will work after a slaughter 1,000 as bad.

There's a difference between "typical politician who I disagree with" and "one insult away from having to organize a closed-casket funeral for 6,000,000,000."

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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That is clearly Michele Obama attacking a harmless white man. To think Hillary is criticizing Donald for a little young man's fun when the First Lady commits violent acts like this is hypocritical.

It's worse than mere hypocrisy, it confirms a clear pattern where she has reveled in the joy of abusing power with impunity. She knows it's wrong, but she believes power means impunity and she loves that.

Remember that in 2020 when she runs for president. When someone has proven time and time again that they love to abuse power with impunity, are you 100% certain they can be trusted to rule a nuclear-armed power?

[Daisy Mae Johnson]

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Let me put it this way: we are going to vote if we want Pizza or Chinese food. You're allergic to MSG and/or cats, so you can't have Chinese. Also the Pizza delivery guy is a rapist who will rape you. 2 of us voted for Chinese, 3 of us voted for the rapist. If you vote for Ken Bone, the Pizzaria will have some interesting locker room talk for a while.

Your vote is....


*Drumroll*

KBone of course. I looooove me some Bone. He's such a fine example of a true American!

[Princess L]

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Jeb is the one talking about nuclear winters, you'll have to discuss this with him.

How'd you go from me telling you about when I'll make a formal apology to you to nuclear winters? What the hell are you even talking about?

I don't claim to the world authority on electoral systems, but I think your "it doesn't matter" thesis does not give you the right to declare I know nothing about whether election winners actually, you know, win.

As I stated already, that isn't my thesis.

[Princess L]

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Don't give me "just saying". Do you or do you not deny the antisemitic massacres in question?

I have no clue what massacres you're talking about. I don't recall Martin Luther being a mass murderer.

You brought up the subject. Now tell me: do results matter?

Yes. Of course results matter.

I'm glad you agree that women become loudmouths when they think they can talk like men. We're making progress here. But why are you treating the two electable candidates as equivalents when you obviously don't believe that they are?

Don't put words in my mouth. I have the highest respect for women, and would never make such a generalization. I was referring to Hillary alone.

I don't understand what you mean. I think they are equivalent in their wickedness, just in different ways.

You know that if we're lucky, a nuclear war would only kill 6,000,000,000 of us. So voting for nuclear war is like voting for the holocaust, and then voting for the holocaust again, and so on until you've voted for the holocaust 1,000 times.
1,000 holocausts is equivalent to WHAT again?





If there's 60 people in this pile, I'll have to copy and paste it 100 million times to show you what a nuclear war would look like. Equivalent to WHAT again?

What the hell are you even talking about? That if Hillary was elected we'd have nuclear war?

Oh ye of little faith. Regardless of who gets elected, God is still in control; as people who claim to be Christians, you should know that.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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I have no clue

You also have no excuse:

Luther denounced the Jewish people and urged for their harsh persecution and destruction. In a paragraph from his On the Jews and Their Lies he deplores Christendom's failure to expel them.[1] Moreover, he proposed "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews":[1]

• "First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …"
• "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
• "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
• "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"
• "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …"
• "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"
• "Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …"

Luther's followers sacked Berlin in 1572 and the following year the Jews were banned from the entire country.[28][which?] Throughout the 1580s riots saw the expulsion of Jews from several German Lutheran states.[9]
...

Vincenz Fettmilch, a Calvinist, reprinted On the Jews and Their Lies in 1612 to stir up hatred against the Jews of Frankfurt. Two years later, riots in Frankfurt saw the deaths of 3,000 Jews and the expulsion of the rest.
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The prevailing view[31] among historians is that Luther's anti-Jewish rhetoric contributed significantly to the development of antisemitism in Germany,[32]and in the 1930s and 1940s provided an ideal foundation for the Nazi Party's attacks on Jews.

I don't recall Martin Luther being a mass murderer.

You don't need to recall, you need to google.

Yes. Of course results matter.

...Except when you vote, because then suddenly "my vote doesn't matter" and "it's in God's hands", right?

What the hell are you even talking about? That if Hillary was elected we'd have nuclear war?

I dunno, let's go see what the h*ll I was talking about:

Hillary does not have the temperament to control nuclear weapons - she's a loose cannon, unpredictable, easily provoked, constantly sending mixed messages to other nuclear powers, causing all sorts of instability worldwide - just as a candidate mind you, she hasn't even taken office yet.

If President Trump faces a nuclear crisis, he will listen to the best experts, follow the established best practices, and use his proven professionalism and self-control to get things back to normal. Can you say that with 100% certainty about ALL the candidates?

Ok, that's what the h*ll I was talking about.

Oh ye of little faith. Regardless of who gets elected, God is still in control; as people who claim to be Christians, you should know that.

Prove that's not just a cheap cop-out by giving me your credit card number. Don't worry, it's in God's hands, oh ye of little faith.

...Because the last time I heard the "God's Hands" excuse it was by a drunk driver. And before that if was someone who let his kid hand out with drug dealers. Do you agree with them that their irresponsibility is OK because it's in God's hands? If not, why are you suddenly saying that we get to be completely and utterly irresponsible when it comes to nuclear war?