[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Well, we all know what polls are good for - the predicted landslide Hillary Clinton win in 2016 was the best proof that pollsters get their results by throwing a coin up in the air!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

That is an excellent point as well, and people who haven't even bothered to go out to vote have no right to complain.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

According to data gathered by the British pollster YouGov on election day, a staggering 75 percent of people aged between 18 and 24 voted for Remain.

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I still have hope that the brexit plan will be fulfilled eventually as the supporters of the Brexit vote wont allow it to fail. The politicians will have to listen eventually instead of trying to stop it

Based on the Brexit vote demographics, the more plausible scenario is that Brexit supporters will die out before any deal is reached, leaving the mess to those who never wanted to leave in the first place:

While the "Leave" campaign won the referendum with 51.9 percent of the vote, young people — the ones who will likely grapple with the decision for decades — overwhelmingly wanted to remain part of the EU.
According to data gathered by the British pollster YouGov on election day, a staggering 75 percent of people aged between 18 and 24 voted for Remain.
But this youthful bloc was outweighed by an even stronger force.
What pushed the country toward Brexit, according to pollsters, was a remarkably high turnout among white, working-class older people — most of whom who voted Leave.
"The young have lost the referendum and the old have won," according to Ben Page, chief executive of Ipsos MORI, another British polling company.
Sixty-one percent of people over the age of 65 voted Leave, according to YouGov's data.

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

I still have hope that the brexit plan will be fulfilled eventually as the supporters of the Brexit vote wont allow it to fail. The politicians will have to listen eventually instead of trying to stop it

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

It's impressive, isn't it, that UKIP and the BNP are achieving so much despite having no Members of Parliament?

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland.

That's such an obvious solution that I'm amazed it wasn't proposed sooner. If they refuse to knuckle under, we can just blight their potatoes again.

If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union!

I think Mrs Thatcher deserves the credit for what was originally her official policy: A United Europe under British Rule.

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland. If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union! - then the whole problem disappears into its own navel. British ingenuity! Don't you know they invented blowing and sucking?

I must ask, Brother Toole, are you guys as tired of winning regarding Brexit as we are here on this side of the pond?

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland. If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union! - then the whole problem disappears into its own navel. British ingenuity! Don't you know they invented blowing and sucking?

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

No the poll Is asking which will last longer. Its says in the poll and obviously it will be Brexit since Brexit will proceed. Trump however will be out of office once his eight years are up if he is reelected

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking how long the Brexit dream will last. Thanks for offering your opinion on a different question tho. Also, Trump is capitalized while If is not, not to mention apostrophes and periods. Other than that - good post?

No the poll Is asking which will last longer. Its says in the poll and obviously it will be Brexit since Brexit will proceed. Trump however will be out of office once his eight years are up if he is reelected

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Reelected? You mean one of our previous presidents will become president after Trump? Interesting.

I meant to say a new one will be elected. Sorry

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Sister, we very much rely on care packages from Freehold for these small luxuries.

You're welcome. Perhaps if you tried getting them to speak your language?
After all, whatever begins at Calais can only ever be improved.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Should that stuff consumed in Europe even be called chocolate?

Sister, we very much rely on care packages from Freehold for these small luxuries.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Should that stuff consumed in Europe even be called chocolate?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

So here's the solution: invade Europe and make it British colony.

Sister Bas, we are of one mind on this! As I said upthread:

It is over 73 years since Britain had what you might call a proper war against its continental neighbors - I don't count those half-hearted domestic conflicts in Ireland or the infamous Cod Wars, which the devious Icelandics won by cheating! How can Mrs May expect to achieve domination over Europe if she is not prepared to put soldiers on the ground and bombers in the sky? Anything worth fighting two World Wars over is worth fighting a third one over!

So what we are looking at here is a United Europe under British rule.

Based on Europe's messy history, the only problems will be with Switzerland, Germany, and Poland.

I don't think Poland will be a problem. If the Daily Express is to be believed - and it certainly is, being the British newspaper of record - about 90% of the population of Poland is already resident in Britain and the rest will happily become Russian. The Swiss are notoriously unwilling to fight and will just simper "Oh, we're Swiss, we're so boring and neutral, please buy our greasy chocolate." Germany is another matter, but old enemies are always worth fighting. Under the three strikes law, this should be the final conflict for them.

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I've been reading about this Brexit debacle, and I think I have the perfect solution for the Brits. In a nutshell, Brits want out because they don't want unwashed immigrants from poor places, and they don't want their money going to poor places, but they also want free trade/cheap stuff from Europe.

So here's the solution: invade Europe and make it British colony. Start with the easy conquests - France and Italy will surrender as soon as they see someone waving a weapon (even if it's a plastic toy one). The most feisty individuals in France are marked by yellow vests, but give them some free gasoline (petrol, as the Brits call it, I think) and that will make them happy. Then take the Netherlands (they are all stoned, so they won't notice anyway), and all the tiny made up countries like Lichtenstein - they won't make a fuss, either.

Based on Europe's messy history, the only problems will be with Switzerland, Germany, and Poland. The first one, just nuke them (it will be so much easier than conquering) - that should make the latter two much more cooperative - if not, just nuke them, too. Austria will do whatever Germany does, so if Germany gets nuked, Austria should, too. Anything east of Poland belongs in the Russian Empire. Anything north of the Baltic Sea is a frozen wasteland that's not worth conquering. You can nuke them just for fun, though.

So once you made Europe into your colony, you set the rules. Problem solved.