[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Perhaps she'd be better asking why there was a World War Two in the first place. I noticed this:

“We definitely want to protect our close relationship with the UK and I would not like to see a no-deal Brexit creating bitterness, anger or hostility,” she said. “We will do our best.....

Well that's easy! Don't become bitter, angry or hostile! Now that France is replacing one form of idolatry with another (having the effect of increasing the number of idols overall) smitings are sure to be on God's agenda. And if they manage to produce a French pope we'll be back to the calamitous 14th century with horrors dimly imagined made real again.

I Corinthians 13:12-13 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

If the French abandon charity for bitterness, anger or hostility they'll be moving straight backwards from God's Plan for Salvation and that dark image in the looking glass will suddenly draw near.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Some Frenchwoman called Nathalie Quelquechose (of whom it was once said "Qui?") has started lecturing the British goverment:

warning that uncertainty surrounding the UK’s departure from the EU is affecting its neighbours.

I think she must be confusing the Brexit Secretary (whoever it is this week) with someone who cares.
She also managed to mention that her father "sheltered" British paratroopers in his basement during World War Two, as if that's relevant. Don't worry, Nat, it won't be necessary for you to do likewise during World War Three, because Britain and the Godly USA won't be coming to save you and your smelly, unpasteurized cheese next time!!!!

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Ah... in many ways I am jealous of the lucky Brits who will get to experience the re-birth of their nation. Many of us have been prepping in anticipation of such an event for years making caches of weapons and rations. Of course it's the last thing we want to do to shoot traitorous liberals who are destroying our country from within. Really it is the very last thing that me and my multiple survivalist group friends think about when we train for this exact scenario every 2nd month. When we assess the stopping power of different weaponry and bullet casings, the furthest thing on our minds is mowing down millenial hipsters in the post-apocolyitic urban environment.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

There is a little bit of a flap in Britain about "shortages" of various items post-Brexit. Diabetics are busy stockpiling chocolate and sugar to counter the planned absence of insulin, while the rest of the population appears to be buying baked beans. Anyone crazy enough to be planning a visit should be warned to avoid enclosed spaces after 29th March.

I admit that I have filled one of the barns with packs of toilet tissue. But as far as vegetables are concerned, we are entirely self-sufficient thanks to the polytunnels which my husband so wisely installed before the Brexit vote. It is almost as though God had warned him of the likely outcome of the excellent decision to separate from Europe at a time of year when pretty much all vegetables are imported. I am sure that He did - but Matthew is not one to brag.

It is reassuring, though, that there will be no shortage of Lego.

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

If only the lamestream media would be honest about what they really think of the people who voted against their politicians' best interests.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Also, unpredictably, hard Brexit voices are outraged and angered at... well, that's a given... beyond outraged and more than angered that someone with a funny name pointed out they had no plan.

Never trust a man named after an overlong Fleetwood Mac album. But I disagree with Mr Tusk: those responsible for the Brexit dream do not deserve a special place in . They deserve a perfectly ordinary place there, alongside all the other riffraff.

The opposition UK party is fully united in not being sure about what to do, but are firmly opposed and strongly agree. Partly under certain conditions.

Perhaps.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

In an amazingly unpredictable turn of events, hard Brexit politicians reject Mrs May's vision and consider the only acceptable "alternative arrangement" is no-deal, a complete break with Ireland with a hard border for good measure.

Also, unpredictably, hard Brexit voices are outraged and angered at... well, that's a given... beyond outraged and more than angered that someone with a funny name pointed out they had no plan. Outraged, I tell you!

The opposition UK party is fully united in not being sure about what to do, but are firmly opposed and strongly agree. Partly under certain conditions.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Excellent news from Britain. There is a cunning plan afoot to evacuate Queen Elizabeth and her feckless family from London, if when things turn nasty after Brexit! I assume they have thought through the consequences of this. I predict that they will be as follows:

1. British people, who admire the Blitz Spirit shown by the queen's late mother during the skirmish with Germany in the early 1940s, will be shocked and appalled. This will lead to an upsurge in Godly Republicanism.

2. The queen will be ousted and exiled to sweat out the rest of her days in Austria - or, if the people are really vengeful, to freeze in Canada.

3. Britons will declare a republic at last. (There is already a campaign to appoint President Trump as interim president for life.)

4. This will leave the Church of England without a leader and clear the way for the Godly Baptist faith (under Pastor Zeke) to take over the land.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The Church of England was nothing more than cathylick wanna-bes with King Henry VIII as "pope" - and became worse as history attests.

Indeed, Brother. Nearly 500 years on, the Church of England remains no more than catlick-by-another-name and now has a woman in charge. All that can be said in favor of that particular woman is that she has at least borne children. The same cannot be said for the inappropriately-shod Prime Ministress, Frau May.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

. . .

I think Mrs Thatcher deserves the credit for what was originally her official policy: A United Europe under British Rule.

As much beloved as Mrs. Thatcher is, her vision was simply too restricted. Cecil Rhodes (founder of Rhodesia) had the right vision for the world, but alas Jesus was unwilling to let this happen. We can all speculate, but I think it clearly lays at the foot of King Henry VIII in 1534. While dispatching the papists was the right idea, it ultimately failed because they didn't become Baptists - and Jesus was pissed. The Church of England was nothing more than cathylick wanna-bes with King Henry VIII as "pope" - and became worse as history attests.

As an aside, Bill Clinton used to brag that he was a "Rhodes Scholar", and that explains why the Clintons are so corrupt.

Cecil Rhodes

. . .

Rhodes wanted to make the British Empire a superpower in which all of the British-dominated countries in the empire, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Cape Colony, would be represented in the British Parliament. Rhodes included American students as eligible for the Rhodes scholarships. He said that he wanted to breed an American elite of philosopher-kings who would have the United States rejoin the British Empire. As Rhodes also respected and admired the Germans and their Kaiser, he allowed German students to be included in the Rhodes scholarships. He believed that eventually the United Kingdom (including Ireland), the US, and Germany together would dominate the world and ensure perpetual peace.

Rhodes's views on race have been debated. Critics have labelled him as an "architect of apartheid" and a "white supremacist", particularly since 2015. According to Magubane, Rhodes was "unhappy that in many Cape Constituencies, Africans could be decisive if more of them exercised this right to vote under current law referring to the Cape Qualified Franchise, "with Rhodes arguing that "the native is to be treated as a child and denied the franchise. We must adopt a system of despotism, such as works in India, in our relations with the barbarism of South Africa". Rhodes advocated the governance of indigenous Africans living in the Cape Colony "in a state of barbarism and communal tenure" as "a subject race. I do not go so far as the member for Victoria West, who would not give the black man a vote. ... If the whites maintain their position as the supreme race, the day may come when we shall be thankful that we have the natives with us in their proper position."

. . .

At his death he was considered one of the wealthiest men in the world. In his first will, written in 1877 before he had accumulated his wealth, Rhodes wanted to create a secret society that would bring the whole world under British rule. The exact wording from this will is:

To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity.

. . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

For instance, my vision of alternative arrangements would include Britain recapturing it's glory days and invading France, Africa and Sweden. And permanent austerity for anyone who didn't go to Eton+Oxford.

Well, Dr Toole, I was home-schooled and would have to disagree with your last sentence there! Otherwise, that seems sensible.

Talking of Eton and Oxford, though, I don't suppose you read that awful commie rag The Guardian? No, me neither, but I was told that there was a MASSIVELY offensive article about the government, which included the following about Eton-and-Trinity-educated Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg:

At Wednesday’s event, the economist Roger Bootle introduced him as “a modest man … too modest, almost, for his own good”. To which the only sane reply is: lololololololol. If you had to distil into one personage the British people’s gibbering historical deference to terrible ideas advanced by low-to-middlebrow post-feudal shitlords who openly detest them, this plastic aristocrat would be it. Rees-Mogg is the logical end of whole centuries of barking up the wrong tree. In the most recent leadership polls of Tory members, obviously, he trailed only Boris Johnson.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The British House of Representatives is spending a jolly evening extending the Brexit dream by voting on endless amendments to a deal that has already been rejected by them (mainly because it was agreed by the hated Europeans). The only amendments that have passed so far are a proposal to reject leaving without a "deal", and another to seek alternative (but, cleverly, unspecified) "arrangements". Nobody knows what the second one means, least of all the person who proposed it, and none of it is under the control of the hapless British government. But they are enjoying themselves going "rah rah rah!" and it's keeping them indoors: the weather in London is typically grim.

Yes Sister, this recent vote is quite the victory for President May. I'm 100% certain that the slim majority who voted for for "alternative arrangements" will all agree on what May will eventually present to them. Much like the Brexit referendum. They're a bit like alternative facts but with arrangements and not as many facts.

For instance, my vision of alternative arrangements would include Britain recapturing it's glory days and invading France, Africa and Sweden. And permanent austerity for anyone who didn't go to Eton+Oxford. The savings would go towards putting electric heaters on lamp posts to make it warmer but I can compromise on that. The rest is non-negotiable. So where's my Battle Bus?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

As ever, Sister Mitza, you make your point clearly but succinctly. Bless you: you are always in our family prayers.

The British House of Representatives is spending a jolly evening extending the Brexit dream by voting on endless amendments to a deal that has already been rejected by them (mainly because it was agreed by the hated Europeans). The only amendments that have passed so far are a proposal to reject leaving without a "deal", and another to seek alternative (but, cleverly, unspecified) "arrangements". Nobody knows what the second one means, least of all the person who proposed it, and none of it is under the control of the hapless British government. But they are enjoying themselves going "rah rah rah!" and it's keeping them indoors: the weather in London is typically grim.

On the bright side, the Irish are really quite annoyed - as are the Scotch. I've been told the Welsh are muttering rebelliously too, but nobody can understand what they're muttering about. Probably sheep.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I love Jesus. He requires us to follow the decisions of Heads of Government knowing that He oversees what they're doing.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Different administrative regions have decided on different methods to determine Heads of Government and in some cases also Heads of State. Not everyone agrees with what has been decided. God explains it this way:

II Peter 2:9-10 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

We see challenges to elected authority from Godless wretches in these last days everywhere we look. It's as though animals devoid of understanding, made to be taken and destroyed, had decided to perish in their own corruption rather than acknowledge God.

Soon now these options will be nullified as Christ assumes His Throne with destruction replete forever. Every Christian is able to communicate Christ's Perfect Love. When unbelieving billions are ruined, screaming into death and everlasting torture, when all the stars fall down at Jesus’ command He will establish His Kingdom forever. Oceans will no longer exist but until then it's important to bring The Good News to as many as possible, whether they want to hear it or not & particularly to surf bums.

Petty squabbles will be gone: Jesus will watch those "on the wrong side" in their torment. Forever. Knowing that He could have saved them.......but they chose the wrong form of words. It's easy enough to understand but so many choose darkness

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

I dont trust polls after 2016 where Hillary loving pollsters skewered results for her but again you might be right on this :/