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  • Virginia Day Templeton
    Christ's Battle Axe
     
    • Dec 2006
    • 2827

    #1

    New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54260

    It was only a matter of time, really. Still, the surreality of the situation makes one wonder if Satan has already won... or if the Rapture is just around the corner!

    Regardless of that possibility, we must, if necessary, lay down our very lives to prevent this bill from becoming law and American becoming yet another Eurotrash sodomocracy like so many other once-Godly nations. Never before has faith faced such mighty—and wicked—opposition.

    Diss a 'gay'? Go to jail!
    Activists warn Christians targeted under new 'hate crimes' proposal
    Posted: February 15, 2007

    Two Christians in Australia have been indicted for criticizing Islam, and another for criticizing Zionism. A filmmaker has been threatened with arrest for using the word "homosexual" rather than "gay." Now a German priest faces jail time for publicly criticizing abortionists, and in Holland, "fornicators" and "adulterers" are protected classes and cannot be criticized.

    All courtesy of the concept of federal "hate crimes" legislation, which unless defeated soon could be mandatory in the United States, warns a rising chorus of critics.

    "All that matters are the delicate feelings of members of federally protected groups," said Michael Marcavage, director of RepentAmerica.com "Truth is not allowed as evidence in hate crimes trials. … A homosexual can claim emotional damage from hearing Scripture that describes his lifestyle as an abomination. He can press charges against the pastor or broadcaster who merely reads the Bible in public. The 'hater' can be fined thousands of dollars and even imprisoned!"

    All this, he noted, to attack incidents that according to the FBI's 2005 Uniform Crime Report make up on one-fifteenth of 1 percent of all crimes.

    The language is in a new proposal pending in Congress, H.R. 254, or the David Ray Hate Crimes Prevention Act. That, according to Rev. Ted Pike, of the National Prayer Network, starts out with a federal police state enforcement of "anti-hate" laws but would, as it has in other parts of the world, "lead inexorably to the end of free speech."

    The plan, proposed by Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Texas, is "stealth legislation at its most devious," Pike has written in a campaign to alert people to the potential problems. He said people respond with, "This bill just wants federal power to prosecute bias-motivated violent crimes in the states – what's wrong with that?"

    "There's plenty wrong with that!" he said. First, the Constitution does not grant federal government the "police state privilege" of being your local law enforcement. "Unless the government finds evidence of slavery in the states, jury tampering, voter fraud, or crimes involving interstate commerce (where jurisdiction is unclear), the Constitution's message to the federal government is blunt and emphatic: 'Butt out of local law enforcement!'"

    However, Pike said the authors of the new legislation have been clever, inserting in the proposal assertions that because five states do not have hate laws, the federal government has "no choice" but to "enhance federal enforcement of hate crimes." That includes new ranks of federal agents to address the "serious national problem" that exists.

    Worse yet, there are some key phrases that open doors wide that many people don't want opened. For example, Pike said, the bill is to "prevent and respond to alleged violations," meaning "the government does not even have to wait until a hate crime has been committed but may act pre-emptively to 'prevent' crime."

    Such cases already have developed in other nations, where the "progressive" effort to "advance" anti-discrimination laws are further down the road, he noted.

    Peter LaBarbera, of Americans for Truth, noted that in Canada and France both, legislators have been fined for publicly criticizing homosexuality. Three years ago, a Swedish hate crimes law was used to put Pastor Ake Green, who preached that homosexuality is a sin, in jail for a month.

    "And recently, a British couple told how they were denied the chance to adopt because it was determined that their Christian faith might 'prejudice' them against a homosexual child put in their care," LaBarbera added.

    Already in the United States, Catholic Charities of Boston halted all adoption operations in the state after being told under Massachusetts' pro-'gay' nondiscrimination law, only agencies that placed children in homosexual-led households would get licensed by the state.

    Pike said to get around the U.S. Constitution's demands for certain circumstances to exist before the federal government can intervene, the legislation blatantly adds the statement that hate crimes actually are "slavery."

    "Violence motivated by bias is a relic of slavery that can constitute badges and incidents of slavery," the proposal proclaims.

    Additionally, Pike notes, another "absurd ruse" is that "hate criminals affect interstate commerce, by terrorizing their victims into traveling across state lines – or not."

    "Considering the pervasive influence of interstate commerce upon our lives, how often can the government meddle in local hate crimes enforcement? Any time," Pike wrote. "In fact, this ridiculous argument could be used to justify federal intervention in a crime of any kind, since any crime victim might be scared into different spending or traveling choices."

    He said America's justice system requires proof of physical tangible damage before an arrest, but H.R. 254 changes that. "It seeks to establish a different 'bias motivation' justice system, which will be defined in courts by judges, as has happened in Canada."

    "Judges will establish legal precedents – precedents that protect groups such as homosexuals not only from physical bias-motivated violence but also from 'verbal violence,'" Pike warned. "This will include the 'hate speech' of Bible-believing evangelical Christians.

    "H.R. 254 thus does more than violate states' rights in law enforcement. It also leads inexorably to an end of free speech!" he wrote.

    The plan, being supported by "the powerful Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith" is the seventh attempt to get such legislation turned into law just since 1998, Pike said. The bill is pending in the House Judiciary Committee, and is a streamlined version of earlier proposals that passed in the U.S. House.

    LaBarbera noted that in "post-Christian England," the government even has set out to prosecute "homophobic" speech.

    "It is almost inconceivable that the same country that gave us the rule of law and limited government – and powerfully gifted Christian preachers like George Whitfield who helped shape America – now bows down to the homosexual revolution of organized sin masquerading as 'civil rights,'" LaBarbera said.

    "Is it progress to empower a legal and cultural revolution that criminalizes the common sense idea that society should put the welfare of children first by favoring natural parenting (mom and dad) over an experimental version (dad and male lover) that models perversion to innocent children in their own home?" asked LaBarbera.

    He suggested a visit to www.StopHateCrimesNow.com to hear the testimonies of those who have had first-had experience with so-called "hate crimes" laws. A 75-year-old grandmother describes how she was jailed for testifying about the Bible, in the United States.

    "Prime Minister Tony Blair unwittingly cut to the nub of how 'sexual orientation' laws inevitably destroy religious freedom when he said that Britain's 'gay'-inclusive nondiscrimination laws should not exempt Catholic adoption agencies that refuse, for reasons of faith, to place children in homosexual households:" said LaBarbera.

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination. That’s why I support the right of gay couples to apply to adopt like any other couple. And that way there can be no exemptions for faith-based adoption agencies offering public funded services from regulations that prevent discrimination," Blair had said.

    Jackson-Lee's proposal states that "the incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived … sexual orientation … of the victim poses a serious national problem," and that "disrupts" communities. Since "existing federal law is inadequate" and "such violence affects interstate commerce" and "violence motivated by bias that is a relic of slavery can constitute badges and incidents of slavery," the thought police plan is needed.

    Members who commented on a blog expressed alarm.

    "This lays the groundwork for the 'thought police,'" said "onlymom," while "curveboy" said, "the implications of such a bill would put dissent of the government under hate speech and (offenders could) be arrested and thrown into detention camps... hate bill legislations needs to be dealt with in a fine line. once crossed there won't be any freedom of speech...."

    "Citrine89" was more terse, "Scary stuff." And "Mochamoma" said, "Hurt someone's feelings? Shall we arrest the 6th graders now or later?"

    At www.FaithAndFreedom.us a writer warned it was another attempt to "create new special rights for homosexuals."

    And Mary Starrett, communications director for the Constitution Party, said "only strong public outcry and a Republican controlled Congress kept this type of legislation from becoming law" earlier. Now that Republican controlled Congress is gone.

    "H.R. 254 would make certain types of speech a federal offense. So-called 'hate crimes' legislation is dangerous for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the blatant unconstitutionality of such laws. 'Hate crime' laws would allow federal 'thought police' to interfere in the law enforcement authority of states and localities - something our founders were clear was NOT to be allowed," she said.

    "H.R. 254 would require every state to pass and enforce 'anti-hate' laws. It would outlaw stating a 'bias' against certain 'federally protected' groups such as homosexuals," she said.

    Jim Clymer, national chairman of the party, has warned such legislation "could mean the Bible would be considered 'hate literature'' and preaching from it would be 'hate speech' because of references to religious teachings on homosexuality or other behaviors. The Orwellian implications of these types of laws mean Bible-believing Christians could become criminals simply because they spoke out about their beliefs."

    Starrett noted in Canada and some European countries, it already is a crime to use the Internet to criticize "federally protected" groups such as homosexuals and Muslims. "In England, two men who called Islam 'wicked' were indicted … and now face seven years in prison."

    A report by Concerned Women for America said the bill "sends the message that it is more hateful to kill a homosexual than a little child."

    "This bill sets the table, and places us on a slippery slope toward religious persecution," said Matt Barber, CWA's policy director for cultural issues. "If it becomes law, it can easily be misapplied and used as a hammer against free speech.

    "This bill attempts to get into the mind of the offender and penalize him for his thoughts. Are the bill's proponents going to now lobby for a Federal Department of Thought Enforcement?"

    Repent America, some of whose members already have served jail time simply for proclaiming the biblical message, is joining in sounding the alarm.

    "Having been charged under Pennsylvania's hate crimes law for declaring the truth about homosexuality, I can assure you that if this bill is passed and signed into law, it will be used to put Christians behind bars," said Marcavage.
    It reminds me very much of those "Holocaust" denial laws of which the Jewropeans are so fond. Why aren't there any prohibitions against Christ denial? He shed His temporary blood for our sins (including homosexuality and Jewry), after all.
    Last edited by Virginia Day Templeton; 02-16-2007, 01:28 AM.
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  • maverickxeo
    Confirmed Enemy of God
    • Jan 2007
    • 261

    #2
    Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

    This bill is good as Hate Crimes are serious issues. Don't like gays? That's okay. Insulting them for their lives? That's NOT okay.

    I can understand why you wouldn't like them, but to come out and THREATEN or insult them is WRONG.

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    • Rev. Dr. Davidson
      Forum Member
      Forum Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 1439

      #3
      Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

      Whoa...... I'm actually speechless.... I'm reading through that link now..... Is there nowhere in the world that's safe anymore?

      Originally posted by maverickxeo View Post
      This bill is good as Hate Crimes are serious issues. Don't like gays? That's okay. Insulting them for their lives? That's NOT okay.

      I can understand why you wouldn't like them, but to come out and THREATEN or insult them is WRONG.
      So demonstrating peaceably is against your rules now Mav?

      This is a direct blow against free speech, which you seemed to like when the ball was in your court.
      Last edited by Rev. Dr. Davidson; 02-16-2007, 01:51 AM.
      "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
      (Leviticus 21:6-7)

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      • Virginia Day Templeton
        Christ's Battle Axe
         
        • Dec 2006
        • 2827

        #4
        Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

        Threats have nothing to do with it. All I would have to do, were this bill to become law, would be to read aloud a portion of God's Word (such as Leviticus 20:13) in which He condemns acts of sodomy, and I would be thrown into a jail cell next to a pie-stealing mass murderer with designs on my purity. I wouldn't even have to insult "gay" people themselves, just the sins they commit. Does that seem fair or constitutional?

        I'm glad you understand we we (and God) hate sodomites, though. It's a step forward for you.
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        • maverickxeo
          Confirmed Enemy of God
          • Jan 2007
          • 261

          #5
          Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

          Originally posted by Rev. Dr. Davidson View Post
          Whoa...... I'm actually speechless.... I'm reading through that link now..... Is there nowhere in the world that's safe anymore?



          So demonstrating peaceably is against your rules now Mav?

          This is a direct blow against free speech, which you seemed to like when the ball was in your court.
          Free speech isn't black and white, I'm sure I mentioned that. You cannot go around threatening or insulting people for who they are.

          Originally posted by Virginia D. Templeton View Post
          Threats have nothing to do with it. All I would have to do, were this bill to become law, would be to read aloud a portion of God's Word (such as Leviticus 20:13) in which He condemns acts of sodomy, and I would be thrown into a jail cell next to a pie-stealing mass murderer with designs on my purity. I wouldn't even have to insult "gay" people themselves, just the sins they commit. Does that seem fair or constitutional?

          I'm glad you understand we we (and God) hate sodomites, though. It's a step forward for you.
          I think you missed the point of the article. You can read from the Bible; since it doesn't 'diss a gay.' Going up to a homosexual and saying "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR HAVING SEX WITH THE SAME SEX!" is what this bill will prevent you from doing.

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          • Bobby-Joe
            Landover Security Superviser
            Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
            NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
            True Christian™
            • Sep 2006
            • 18405

            #6
            Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

            Originally posted by maverickxeo View Post
            I think you missed the point of the article. You can read from the Bible; since it doesn't 'diss a gay.' Going up to a homosexual and saying "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR HAVING SEX WITH THE SAME SEX!" is what this bill will prevent you from doing.
            Friend,

            As Christians we are command by God to do exactly that.

            Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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            Time to come clean on Benghazi Mr Obama!

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            • Pastor Ezekiel
              Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
               
              • Sep 2006
              • 78555

              #7
              Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

              God doesn't threaten anyone. The Holy Bible is a PROMISE. Sodomites WILL burn in hell for all eternity.

              Laws like this one only go to prove that the Bible is right.

              Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
              5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
              5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


              We True Christians™ are truly blessed by this persecution. Thank you Jesus!!
              Who Will Jesus Damn?

              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

              Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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              • H. Montague Worthington
                True Christian™ Entrepreneur
                True Christian™
                • Sep 2006
                • 2716

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                Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                I can understand why you wouldn't like them, but to come out and THREATEN or insult them is WRONG.
                We are doing the homers a favor. If we don't tell them about their impending eternity in hellfire, where will they hear it? Church?? Don't hold your breath! That's why using powerful language, threats, physical intimidation, and burning a few of them alive is an act of Godly kindness on our part.

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                • Brother Love
                  Yes, THAT Brother Love!
                  True Christian™
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 403

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                  Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                  What kind of DEMON DRUGS are our Congressmen/women on? Or are they just all schizophrenic or just outright IGNORANT? This law is meant to put an end to free speech and to make sure TRUE CHRISTIANS keep their mouths SHUT! Eventually, it will outlaw True Christianity. Jesus told us that we who follow Him would be persecuted in this world and THAT IS what is happening right now!

                  Sister Virginia I notice your signature is a quote from the esteemed and godly Rev. Jerry Falwell and it could not be truer today. "If you're NOT a BORN AGAIN Christian, you're a FAILURE as a human being." AMEN! Praise the Lord! And that is the problem today I think. Many FAILURES in our government are calling the shots and imposing the will of the minority on the MAJORITY! They are FAILURES as human beings because they are NOT BORN AGAIN TRUE CHRISTIANS! They are HEATHEN DEMONS INCARNATE!!

                  How much longer are TRUE CHRISTIANS going to stand by and do nothing? How much longer are we going to wait and just let the FAILURES in our nation end free speech and outlaw True Christianity? We need to fight against this law and make a stand for CHRIST JESUS. If we don't then I foresee every time any of us opens our mouths we are going to get a hate crime slapped against us by the SNAKES living on this fallen planet of SIN!

                  STAND UP FOR CHRIST!!
                  Evangelist for Jesus and The Word!!

                  "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15


                  "Prayer should be your first resource. Not your last resort!!"

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                  • Rev. Dr. Davidson
                    Forum Member
                    Forum Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1439

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                    Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                    Originally posted by Brother Love View Post
                    How much longer are TRUE CHRISTIANS going to stand by and do nothing? How much longer are we going to wait and just let the FAILURES in our nation end free speech and outlaw True Christianity? We need to fight against this law and make a stand for CHRIST JESUS. If we don't then I foresee every time any of us opens our mouths we are going to get a hate crime slapped against us by the SNAKES living on this fallen planet of SIN!

                    STAND UP FOR CHRIST!!
                    Preach on Brother Love!!

                    I think Christians of today fear being either born again, or voicing their faith out loud. LIE-beral judges have been putting the fear of false gods into them for decades now.

                    Why, every day I have pansy, feel-good Christians spit at me. Why? Because I proclaim the word out loud for everyone to hear. I live close to our nation's capital, and it gets uglier out there every day. I imagine one day I'll be martyred in this unholy place, but sich is the will of God. The demoncrats and LIE-berals will probably call me a fanatic, and I'll be forgotten in history. But Jesus will remember me, and so will my fellow True Christians™ at LAndover. For that, I will rejoice with our Lord forever.
                    "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
                    (Leviticus 21:6-7)

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                    • OnYourKnees
                      On Extended Furlough
                      True Christian™
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 4729

                      #11
                      Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                      Originally posted by maverickxeo View Post
                      Free speech isn't black and white, I'm sure I mentioned that. You cannot go around threatening or insulting people for who they are.



                      I think you missed the point of the article. You can read from the Bible; since it doesn't 'diss a gay.' Going up to a homosexual and saying "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR HAVING SEX WITH THE SAME SEX!" is what this bill will prevent you from doing.
                      Apparently, you didn't read the article very closely.

                      The headline is not part of the bill's text.

                      If this bill passes and I stage a peaceful protest at a gay "pride" parade -- my Constitutional right -- and say that sodomy is an abomination before God, I can be thrown in jail. That's what that bill says.

                      Is that what you liberals consider "free speech"? Free for some, but not for the True Christian minority?

                      Bigot.

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                      • maverickxeo
                        Confirmed Enemy of God
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 261

                        #12
                        Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                        Originally posted by OnYourKnees View Post

                        If this bill passes and I stage a peaceful protest at a gay "pride" parade -- my Constitutional right -- and say that sodomy is an abomination before God, I can be thrown in jail. That's what that bill says.
                        That would be a threat, or an insult.

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                        • Virginia Day Templeton
                          Christ's Battle Axe
                           
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 2827

                          #13
                          Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                          No, it would be the Truth.
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                          • maverickxeo
                            Confirmed Enemy of God
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 261

                            #14
                            Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                            Originally posted by Virginia D. Templeton View Post
                            No, it would be the Truth.
                            You're an idiot. That's not an insult, that's the truth and there is nothing you can do about it!

                            I love your logic.

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                            • Wash O'Hanley
                              Debate Moderator (and participant)
                              Master Debater-- Has Never Been Defeated in a Debate
                              Louder Than Reason
                              True Christian™
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 2126

                              #15
                              Re: New Bill Threatens To OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY

                              This is a threat to my rights as an American to chain myself to the ground in the path of a gay pride parade, play loud music where ever gay marriages are taking place and throw flaming bricks with notes that read "I'm going to murder you and your family" through the windows of known homosexual's homes.

                              Will the persecution of Christians ever end?
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