[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I have. I and a group of concerned parents at my church read and review all the things that kids might read, to determine whether children should be permitted to read the evil texts.

Gandalf was a sorcerer who used the power of Satan to cast spells. He was not a Christian. Jesus is never mentioned in the LOTR.


Why is it necessary?

We have free will to either follow Him or not, that's true. However, He will resurrect all people at the Judgment, some to glory, and some to eternal torture. That includes not just mass murderers and rapists but all non-believers, even if they were "nice people". Billions.

What purpose is there in re-animating sinners, if not to torture them? You think that's necessary, or an expression of love?

I messed up his quote, I don't use forums often, but why don't you read his post before you try to insult me.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I messed up his quote, I don't use forums often, but why don't you read his post before you try to insult me.

How exactly is asking you why you think torturing billions in Hell for ever and ever is "necessary" and indicative of God's Love an insult?

Please answer the question instead of trying to change the subject.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

Pray for non-christians? So if there is young man/woman dying in a hospital with cancer, who is not a christian, you would not pray for him? You know how many people become Christians after surviving such instances?

You fail to appreciate that God gave them the cancer in the first place. Our job is to spread the message - if you don't accept Jesus, you will go to hell. But, God WANTS some people to go to hell -

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

See, there is no free will. God decides the actions of everyone, and makes sinners sin so He can punish them because He hates them. Since we are supposed to pray that God's will be done, praying for the unsaved is wrong.

[James Hutchins]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I messed up his quote, I don't use forums often, but why don't you read his post before you try to insult me.

I've read this entire thread. No one is trying to insult you. You just get all worked up when people categorically prove you are wrong. It is nothing to be ashamed of, it is possible to repent your sins and packs of lies and come home to Jesus. God wants to love you, do not push him away with your vile talk.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

You are one ignorant man. First of all, thanks for my laugh of the day, I mean, Demonic Sorcerer? Why don't you actually read Lotr, and learn a little bit about Tolkien at that. That's all I can say.


You twist my words around, "he burns millions because he loves them?"
He gives us the gift free will, it is our choice if we wish to repent for our sins or not. You think watching those people burn makes him happy? It is only necessary.

Tolkien was a Catholic, therefor not a real Christian.

And yes, God DOES enjoy sending people to hell.

Proverbs 1:24-27 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

You are one ignorant man. First of all, thanks for my laugh of the day, I mean, Demonic Sorcerer? Why don't you actually read Lotr, and learn a little bit about Tolkien at that. That's all I can say..

Yes, Tolkien was a Mary Worshiping Catholic. Gandalf is described as a "fire spirit" in the forum of a man who is a servant of another group of supernatural entities that live on this world. Clearly Tolkien meant Gandalf to be a demon.

[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I have. I and a group of concerned parents at my church read and review all the things that kids might read, to determine whether children should be permitted to read the evil texts.

Gandalf was a sorcerer who used the power of Satan to cast spells. He was not a Christian. Jesus is never mentioned in the LOTR.


Why is it necessary?

We have free will to either follow Him or not, that's true. However, He will resurrect all people at the Judgment, some to glory, and some to eternal torture. That includes not just mass murderers and rapists but all non-believers, even if they were "nice people". Billions.

What purpose is there in re-animating sinners, if not to torture them? You think that's necessary, or an expression of love?

First, you act as if LotR was a true story. Second, Gandalf drew his power from Eru Iluvatar, who was tolkien's portrayal of god in the novel, which he used to fight Sauron, his portrayel of satan. Obviously you have not read it.


And i don't understand your question.

[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

Yes, Tolkien was a Mary Worshiping Catholic. Gandalf is described as a "fire spirit" in the forum of a man who is a servant of another group of supernatural entities that live on this world. Clearly Tolkien meant Gandalf to be a demon.

The other group of supernatural entities was God, and his angels, AKA: GOOD, and the other group was: SAURON AND HIS ARMY OF EVIL AKA: BAD, is that too hard to understand? GANDALF=AN ANGEL IN HUMAN FORM, UNITES THE FREE PEOPLE WITH FREE WILL, TO DESTROY THE EVIL.

You are just one of the people who look through books/bibles and look for any sentence that dishes dirt onto something you think is bad.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

First, you act as if LotR was a true story. Second, Gandalf drew his power from Eru Iluvatar, who was tolkien's portrayal of god in the novel, which he used to fight Sauron, his portrayel of satan. Obviously you have not read it.

I don't see Jesus anywhere in that description.

[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I don't see Jesus anywhere in that description.

I believed Tolkien meant to portay Aragorn as Jesus, but don't quote me on that. Either way - not my point, my point is that Gandalf was NOT a fire-demon-spirit-of-satan-death-bringing-slave or whatever you want to call him.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

I believed Tolkien meant to portay Aragorn as Jesus, but don't quote me on that. Either way - not my point, my point is that Gandalf was NOT a fire-demon-spirit-of-satan-death-bringing-slave or whatever you want to call him.

Listen demon; God does NOT approve of midgets (or anyone else) doing magic.

Ex.22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Lev.19:26, 31
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. ... Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Dt.18:10-11
There shall not be found among you any one ... that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

2 Kg.18:3-4
He [Hezekiah] did that which was right in the sight of the LORD....
He ... brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made.

2 Kg.21:6
He ... observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD.

Unless He personally approves it!

Ex.4:2-6
And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand. ...
And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.

Num.5:27
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot.

Num.21:8-9
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole:and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

First, you act as if LotR was a true story. Second, Gandalf drew his power from Eru Iluvatar, who was tolkien's portrayal of god in the novel, which he used to fight Sauron, his portrayel of satan. Obviously you have not read it.

"portrayal of God"? God is God. Jesus is Jesus. Frodo is not Jesus, and Gandalf is not Moses.

And i don't understand your question.

What's not to understand? Have you read the Bible? Or have you been too busy reading silly real books?

At judgment, God will resurrect all the dead people. The faithful Christians will get to go to Heaven and live in glory. The unfaithful Christians and all other nonbelievers, no matter how "nice" they were, will be resurrected from an unknowing death to life, and then cast into unending torture in Hell.

Why is that "necessary"? How does it demonstrate God's "love for all"?

[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

"portrayal of God"? God is God. Jesus is Jesus. Frodo is not Jesus, and Gandalf is not Moses.



What's not to understand? Have you read the Bible? Or have you been too busy reading silly real books?

At judgment, God will resurrect all the dead people. The faithful Christians will get to go to Heaven and live in glory. The unfaithful Christians and all other nonbelievers, no matter how "nice" they were, will be resurrected from an unknowing death to life, and then cast into unending torture in Hell.

Why is that "necessary"? How does it demonstrate God's "love for all"?

No, they are not, but it is a book with a hidden meaning, which actually is not very hidden and most people would see it. Sure he is not moses, but he certainly does not portray a demon, am i right?


God's love is represented because he is giving the unfaithful, no believers, and everyone else that was not to be brought up in the rapture, 7 years to turn around, one last chance to change their ways. The dead that will be brought back up, had there chance, and if after this world a perfect world is to be created, they lost their chance to change, and it was necessary.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

God's love is represented because he is giving the unfaithful, no believers, and everyone else that was not to be brought up in the rapture, 7 years to turn around, one last chance to change their ways. The dead that will be brought back up, had there chance, and if after this world a perfect world is to be created, they lost their chance to change, and it was necessary.

You aren't answering my question.

Why is it necessary for Him to resurrect them and then torture them in fire forever? Why is it He can't just leave them dead?

How is it a demonstration of His "love for all" that He resurrects them so He can torture them?

It shows to me very clearly that God hates sinners and wants them to suffer! He hates them for making Him suffer by turning their backs on Him and ignoring His Laws! He hates them so much that He wants to bring them back from the dead just so He can throw them into an eternal pit of torture and despair from which there is never any escape!

And you call that "love for all"?

[Gandalf]

Re: What is wrong with YOU PEOPLE!?!?

You aren't answering my question.

Why is it necessary for Him to resurrect them and then torture them in fire forever? Why is it He can't just leave them dead?

How is it a demonstration of His "love for all" that He resurrects them so He can torture them?

It shows to me very clearly that God hates sinners and wants them to suffer! He hates them for making Him suffer by turning their backs on Him and ignoring His Laws! He hates them so much that He wants to bring them back from the dead just so He can throw them into an eternal pit of torture and despair from which there is never any escape!

And you call that "love for all"?

That makes no sense. If they already sinned and did not go to Heaven, they're spirits were already in hell, so don't understand what you are saying.