[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

I made an account just to post in this thread. So, hi!

First off, I'm Wiccan. I'm also male, and thin. No I'm not going to post any pictures, because I really don't care whether you believe me. But when I joined the Air Force a few years ago I was almost underweight for my height. I agree, though, there are quite a lot of overweight Wiccans out there. I didn't know this was a stereotype until today, but it's kind of funny to me.

I became Wiccan after nearly 25 years of being a born-and-raised Catholic. I've seen your opinion of Catholics, so whether the "idolatry" of still-Jesus-affirming Catholicism is better than the "godlessness" of paganism I leave for you to judge (although a Protestant friend pointed out that in a way, I have more gods than she does). Again, I don't care. I'm also a member of a Bible study group and a Christian service group at my university. I mention all this to provide some background for what I'd like to say.

I really have to hand it to peaceandlove420 at the start of this thread. She had a lot more patience than I would have. She's been with her boyfriend for two years and is engaged to him, and you lot get on her case for not being married yet? Then you attack her father, who likes her fiance and gets along with him? Are you kidding me? At first I thought you couldn't possibly be serious, but as I kept reading I realized that no, you really are. You honestly believe that anyone who doesn't follow your definition of a good life should be accused and belittled until they believe what you want them to. If you haven't figured this out yet, that approach isn't going to convince anyone. It's only going to turn them away.

Here's how you convince people of religious things: If they're the same religion as you, you point out to them the support your religion provides for your perspective, and probably also debunk the support he or she probably thinks your religion provides for theirs. If they're not the same religion as you, you leave religion out completely and use simple reason-- or, better yet, you approach it from their religion's point of view and show them that their religion doesn't actually provide for their way of thinking.

Here's how you don't convince people of religious things: Tell them you're Right over and over again, tell them how Wrong they are, and if they aren't the same religion as you, tell them your religion doesn't like them. That's how you treated that girl. No wonder she left.

You can yell at me all you want. You can quote the Bible at me, you can talk about Hell at me, you can make claims about Satan having a hold on me. I've heard it all before, and honestly don't care. It isn't going to convince me you're Right and I'm Wrong. If there really were Wiccans who used the Bible for toilet paper, as Pastor Deacon Fred claims, then he's absolutely right. Shame on them. Such blatant disrespect is, well, shameful, and he has every right to be mad. I'd be mad too. But I promise you, it wasn't because they were performing some Satanic rite. Wicca and Satanism are two very different things.

I'm not saying you shouldn't preach the cross. By all means, do it. But do it to other Christians. Jesus was constantly telling other people not to sin any longer, preached about millstones around necks, and even overturned all the secular business tables in the Temple. But He preached to people who were already listening. He never walked up to someone and said "Hey. You suck for still being Jewish. Follow Me." And when the Apostles were told to "make disciples of all nations," what were they to do to any nation that didn't listen? Yell at its people over and over again? Gather an army and wipe it out? No. Shake its dust from their feet, and leave.

Which leads me to one last thing, something I never understood: if Christianity is the Truth, why are so many (not all, but many) Christians so adamant about eradicating all other religions? Shouldn't the Truth speak for itself and, like cream, rise to the top?

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Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

Which leads me to one last thing, something I never understood: if Christianity is the Truth, why are so many (not all, but many) Christians so adamant about eradicating all other religions? Shouldn't the Truth speak for itself and, like cream, rise to the top?

The Truth DOES speak for itself. But in case you haven't been paying attention, we live in a Fallen World. That means that Sin has entered this world (thank you, Eve), and because of that, Satan has become the ruler, or "prince of this world" (1 Corinthians 2:8). That means we are in a state of spiritual war (Ephesians 6:10-20), because Satan desires naught but to bring souls to .

[BlackestOfAllSpades]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

I made an account just to post in this thread. So, hi!

First off, I'm Wiccan. I'm also male, and thin. No I'm not going to post any pictures, because I really don't care whether you believe me. But when I joined the Air Force a few years ago I was almost underweight for my height. I agree, though, there are quite a lot of overweight Wiccans out there. I didn't know this was a stereotype until today, but it's kind of funny to me.

I became Wiccan after nearly 25 years of being a born-and-raised Catholic. I've seen your opinion of Catholics, so whether the "idolatry" of still-Jesus-affirming Catholicism is better than the "godlessness" of paganism I leave for you to judge (although a Protestant friend pointed out that in a way, I have more gods than she does). Again, I don't care. I'm also a member of a Bible study group and a Christian service group at my university. I mention all this to provide some background for what I'd like to say.

I really have to hand it to peaceandlove420 at the start of this thread. She had a lot more patience than I would have. She's been with her boyfriend for two years and is engaged to him, and you lot get on her case for not being married yet? Then you attack her father, who likes her fiance and gets along with him? Are you kidding me? At first I thought you couldn't possibly be serious, but as I kept reading I realized that no, you really are. You honestly believe that anyone who doesn't follow your definition of a good life should be accused and belittled until they believe what you want them to. If you haven't figured this out yet, that approach isn't going to convince anyone. It's only going to turn them away.

Here's how you convince people of religious things: If they're the same religion as you, you point out to them the support your religion provides for your perspective, and probably also debunk the support he or she probably thinks your religion provides for theirs. If they're not the same religion as you, you leave religion out completely and use simple reason-- or, better yet, you approach it from their religion's point of view and show them that their religion doesn't actually provide for their way of thinking.

Here's how you don't convince people of religious things: Tell them you're Right over and over again, tell them how Wrong they are, and if they aren't the same religion as you, tell them your religion doesn't like them. That's how you treated that girl. No wonder she left.

You can yell at me all you want. You can quote the Bible at me, you can talk about Hell at me, you can make claims about Satan having a hold on me. I've heard it all before, and honestly don't care. It isn't going to convince me you're Right and I'm Wrong. If there really were Wiccans who used the Bible for toilet paper, as Pastor Deacon Fred claims, then he's absolutely right. Shame on them. Such blatant disrespect is, well, shameful, and he has every right to be mad. I'd be mad too. But I promise you, it wasn't because they were performing some Satanic rite. Wicca and Satanism are two very different things.

I'm not saying you shouldn't preach the cross. By all means, do it. But do it to other Christians. Jesus was constantly telling other people not to sin any longer, preached about millstones around necks, and even overturned all the secular business tables in the Temple. But He preached to people who were already listening. He never walked up to someone and said "Hey. You suck for still being Jewish. Follow Me." And when the Apostles were told to "make disciples of all nations," what were they to do to any nation that didn't listen? Yell at its people over and over again? Gather an army and wipe it out? No. Shake its dust from their feet, and leave.

Which leads me to one last thing, something I never understood: if Christianity is the Truth, why are so many (not all, but many) Christians so adamant about eradicating all other religions? Shouldn't the Truth speak for itself and, like cream, rise to the top?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

Praise the Lord.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

A: That was a joke. I don't take pictures of my own penis. Why would I ever need to do that? it's not like we go up and shove our genitalia/sexual preference in your face.

No worries there, once again. It was just a joke.

So now you want to back-peddle on me and act like you never really made the offer to show your junk to a True Christian™ Pastor?

You are hereby called out, deviant!

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

Obviously that was a mistranslation, as only Christians refer to God as God. Jew's call him Yahweh.

Jews don't call God Yahweh. They've lost the original pronunciation of YHWH. When Jews read the Torah, they substitute Adonai (Lord) for YHWH. This was the practice even in Jesus' time. Elohim is the Hebrew word for God, or gods. Let's look at Deut 6:4-5, which was translated from Hebrew.

Hear, O Israel: The Lord [YHWH] our God [Elohim] is one Lord [YHWH]: and thou shalt love the Lord [YHWH] thy God [Elohim] with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

No mistranslation there. Lord has been substituted for YHWH, and Elohim has been translated as God. Now let's look at the passage you originally quoted, which was translated from Greek, in which Jesus quotes Deut 6:5.

Mat 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord [Kyrios] thy God [Theos] with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Kyrios means Lord and Theos means God. Again, no mistranslation.

But that is just semantics, both religions follow the same god.

Jesus didn't think so.

Jn 8:41-45
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Verse 31 makes it clear Jesus was speaking to the Jews.

Jn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

The moment you quote the Old Testament, I loose you. I was taught, back when I was a Baptist, that the birth of Jesus closed the Old Testament, and that the rules, restrictions, and teachings of that portion of the Bible were to be disregarded as obsolete.

You were taught wrong. You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Old Testament.

By my faith, you are the ones who sin. Your laws require that you eliminate those who do not follow the same god as you. My rede is simply this: Do what you will, so long as it harms none.

How can you believe in a religion that was fabricated within living memory?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

I don't live with her. I'm in a flat with two guys.
I simply have an extremely high metabolism.
And she is a Baptist.

If she is a Baptist, I am the pope. No True Baptist would date a Wiccan.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

The moment you quote the Old Testament, I loose you. I was taught, back when I was a Baptist, that the birth of Jesus closed the Old Testament, and that the rules, restrictions, and teachings of that portion of the Bible were to be disregarded as obsolete.

First of all, that is completely wrong. Jesus did not come to overturn the Old Testament Law. Reread the question the Pharisees ask Jesus.

Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

What "Law" do you think they are referring to, friend?

Do what you will, so long as it harms none.

The same exact rule that Satanists follow. Note Gerald Gardner was a good friend of Aleister Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard.

I can say with a great amount of authority that Wicca is equal to Satanism and Xenu freaks in authenticity.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

. . rede . .

What you have next is not a system of morality but the invitation from Aleister Crowley, English demoniac, to join him in a sex orgy dedicated to Saturn or Hecate or take-your-pick from any number of superstitions with temple prostitution (his scarlet woman) as the primary focus. There is certainty however in such carnal obsessions, obsessions Christians are released from and which we never ponder.

HELL FOREVER

[Dorkfeather21]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

That is likely because you live with a Wiccan. She won't let you eat because she eats everything.

I don't live with her. I'm in a flat with two guys.
I simply have an extremely high metabolism.
And she is a Baptist.

And which god do you think Jesus was speaking of, dodo? Was it the demons you people worship?
No! Jesus is referring to the God of Israel when He quotes directly from the Old Testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

That right there is enough to get you thrown into eternal damnation by not worshiping the correct God!

Obviously that was a mistranslation, as only Christians refer to God as God. Jew's call him Yahweh. But that is just semantics, both religions follow the same god.
The moment you quote the Old Testament, I loose you. I was taught, back when I was a Baptist, that the birth of Jesus closed the Old Testament, and that the rules, restrictions, and teachings of that portion of the Bible were to be disregarded as obsolete.

Do not do that. Doing so would result in banishment from the forums. We do not want to see your "junk."

Do all Wiccans seek to show off their naughty bits to decent Christian people?! You are NOT setting a good example of your ilk.

A: That was a joke. I don't take pictures of my own penis. Why would I ever need to do that?
B: No. We don't see sex in such the sinful light that you do, but it's not like we go up and shove our genitalia/sexual preference in your face.

Anymore prideful self-compliments?

Mmmm... No. That compliment was from my girlfriend.

And why do you think we call out sin and Satanic debauchery such as yours? Because we follow Him...

"I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12)

By my faith, you are the ones who sin. Your laws require that you eliminate those who do not follow the same god as you. My rede is simply this: Do what you will, so long as it harms none.

Remember, NO pics of your junk!

And in case you missed it, UNSAVED UNWELCOME!

Pastor Ed

No worries there, once again. It was just a joke.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

You know, Pastor Williams, as a Wiccan, I respectfully take offense to the idea that all Wiccans are fat and ugly. Even more so that all Wiccans are female. I am most decidedly male, and I can show you a picture to prove it. Off topic.

Do not do that. Doing so would result in banishment from the forums. We do not want to see your "junk."

Do all Wiccans seek to show off their naughty bits to decent Christian people?! You are NOT setting a good example of your ilk.

Back to the topic, I am not fat (56 kilos soaking wet), and I would personally say I am not ugly (or so my girlfriend tells me).

Anymore prideful self-compliments?

And while we may not follow the teachings of Jesus, just remember: you do, and as was said in Mathew 22:36-40:“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

He never put on the condition that they had to share your beliefs, or body shape.

And why do you think we call out sin and Satanic debauchery such as yours? Because we follow Him...

"I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12)

Remember, NO pics of your junk!

And in case you missed it, UNSAVED UNWELCOME!

Pastor Ed

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

Back to the topic, I am not fat (56 kilos soaking wet), and I would personally say I am not ugly (or so my girlfriend tells me).

That is likely because you live with a Wiccan. She won't let you eat because she eats everything.

And while we may not follow the teachings of Jesus, just remember: you do, and as was said in Mathew 22:36-40:“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.

And which god do you think Jesus was speaking of, dodo? Was it the demons you people worship?
No! Jesus is referring to the God of Israel when He quotes directly from the Old Testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

That right there is enough to get you thrown into eternal damnation by not worshiping the correct God!

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

...And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

He never put on the condition that they had to share your beliefs, or body shape.

Yes, He did. Read all about it here: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?

[Dorkfeather21]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

You know, Pastor Williams, as a Wiccan, I respectfully take offense to the idea that all Wiccans are fat and ugly. Even more so that all Wiccans are female. I am most decidedly male, and I can show you a picture to prove it. Off topic.

Back to the topic, I am not fat (56 kilos soaking wet), and I would personally say I am not ugly (or so my girlfriend tells me).

And while we may not follow the teachings of Jesus, just remember: you do, and as was said in Mathew 22:36-40:“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

He never put on the condition that they had to share your beliefs, or body shape.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Why are Wiccans so fat and ugly? A study.

Come to think of it, my Wickedan neighbor is a little on the plump side, and some of her coven garb themselves in circus tents. Perhaps I should follow them on their next outing and see what they're up to.

Our very own Pastor Deacon Fred found evidence of their activities around Freehold a few years ago. There is no telling what they are up to these days what with all the social media like Twitter and Facebook. There are some rumors that they have acquired Obama phones and are using them to organize flash mobs.