Hmmm...

[Hammond]

One question that I never understood about the Bible.

When God created the Garden of Eden and Adam, why did he also created the Tree of Knowledge? Being that God is... God, shouldn't he have been able to know that Eve would tempt Adam. God did create both of them (Adam and Eve), and, being omniscient, he would know all of their actions before hand. If he did not know there actions, he isn't God.

It just doesn't make any sense, if God did not want them to eat from the Tree, then he could have used his omnipotent powers to stop them, or make humans so that they aren't tempted by anything.

Hmmm.... I guess God is just a dumb piffleer that was made up by a bunch of other dumb piffleers a long time ago. And now, anyone who still believes that has basically no logical reasoning ability and is also very close-minded.

Any rebuttals?

(Food for thought)
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: Hmmm...

God gave Adam and Eve freewill. They were entirely capable of choosing to either eat or not eat the fruit.

They screwed up, and we, to this day, bear the stain of the Original Sin.

[Irrational_Humanist]

Re: Hmmm...

You have to look at it like this:
God put that there to tempt Adam, Eve is the source of all evil (because she's a woman), & obviously you're going to burn in Hell for saying such blasphemous things.
I'm just kidding, but you will get many messages of people calling you a "satanic whore" & stuff when your posts get reported, so show all your friends cus they're FUCKING HILARIOUS!

[Hammond]

Re: Hmmm...

No, I get free will, but GOD WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD DO IT. It doesn't make any sense. Why would he knowingly set that up? Either God is really an uber ass hole or this religion is made up.

Either way, you all are basically wrong.

You (Oakland) are implying that God is not omniscient which in a way is blasphemous. Just saying.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: Hmmm...

Perhaps if you were to spend some time seriously praying about this, God(tm) would reveal the answer to you?

[Infallible fail]

Re: Hmmm...

Maybe God is just a metaphor for perfection in human society.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: Hmmm...

No, I get free will, but GOD WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD DO IT. It doesn't make any sense. Why would he knowingly set that up? Either God is really an uber ass hole or this religion is made up.

Either way, you all are basically wrong.

You (Oakland) are implying that God is not omniscient which in a way is blasphemous. Just saying.

You are attempting to invoke a paradox (to our limited minds) in regards to whether or not as an omnipotent/omniscient being, God can deny himself knowledge of something. We cannot fathom the totality of God's mind (and it would be foolish to try) so this 'paradox' is irrelevant and meaningless.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hmmm...

You are attempting to invoke a paradox (to our limited minds) in regards to whether or not as an omnipotent/omniscient being, God can deny himself knowledge of something. We cannot fathom the totality of God's mind (and it would be foolish to try) so this 'paradox' is irrelevant and meaningless.

No, I think he's trying to give us all a "hmmm" job.

[Infallible fail]

Re: Hmmm...

Moreso we can't fathom the totality of God's mind BECAUSE he's made up.

[Paul Jeffery]

Re: Hmmm...

No, I get free will, but GOD WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD DO IT. It doesn't make any sense. Why would he knowingly set that up? Either God is really an uber ass hole or this religion is made up.

Either way, you all are basically wrong.

You (Oakland) are implying that God is not omniscient which in a way is blasphemous. Just saying.

You could have used Google or Bing to find all sorts of answers you'd actually like. Instead you come here for answers you surely will not like and to illuminate the fact that the Holy Bible (1611 King James version) is utterly alien to you. How very sad. And yet here you are, guided by an unseen hand to God's forum. Coincidence? I seriously doubt it. You might be on your way, friend.

Romans 9:11-22 (King James Version)


11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:


So you see, Hammond, God does have it all worked out ahead of time. He did with Adam and Eve and he does for you too. You are essentially powerless to do anything but surrender yourself to Jesus Christ and his infinitely limitless love for you.

[GOD=life]

Re: Hmmm...

Moreso we can't fathom the totality of God's mind BECAUSE he's made up.

What is made up is the fiction that He is made up.

God wrote (or more specifically: dictated) the Bible, which speaks extensively about God (hard to miss, duh) and that He sent Jesus to die for our sins. That includes your sins.

I know that as an atheist, gratitude does not come naturally to you, but couldn't you at least be a little thankful to Jesus for his sacrifice?

[Alonsus Faox]

Re: Hmmm...

No, I get free will, but GOD WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD DO IT. It doesn't make any sense. Why would he knowingly set that up? Either God is really an uber ass hole or this religion is made up.

Either way, you all are basically wrong.

You do not grasp the concept of free will. God knows that they would be committing the original sin and yet did not stop them, for they were free to do what they want. It is on par with the fact that God knows that atheist posts such as the one I quoted will be posted, but has allowed you to post it anyway and not smite you with His awesome glory where you stand.

[savemenow]

Re: Hmmm...

Are you daring to question God's motives or the Bible, or worse, God himself???

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hmmm...

You do not grasp the concept of free will. God knows that they would be committing the original sin and yet did not stop them, for they were free to do what they want. It is on par with the fact that God knows that atheist posts such as the one I quoted will be posted, but has allowed you to post it anyway and not smite you with His awesome glory where you stand.

God is patient. One gets patient if one lives for all eternity. He will just wait until you die and then send you to hell. It is hard to imagine in this day and age of instant gratification, but God is in no hurry to smite you.

[ebilly99]

Re: Hmmm...

One question that I never understood about the Bible.

When God created the Garden of Eden and Adam, why did he also created the Tree of Knowledge? Being that God is... God, shouldn't he have been able to know that Eve would tempt Adam. God did create both of them (Adam and Eve), and, being omniscient, he would know all of their actions before hand. If he did not know there actions, he isn't God.

It just doesn't make any sense, if God did not want them to eat from the Tree, then he could have used his omnipotent powers to stop them, or make humans so that they aren't tempted by anything.

Hmmm.... I guess God is just a dumb piffleer that was made up by a bunch of other dumb piffleers a long time ago. And now, anyone who still believes that has basically no logical reasoning ability and is also very close-minded.

Any rebuttals?

(Food for thought)
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

God wants us to love him but to do that you must be alowed to hate him as well. If God forced us to love him it really is not love.