[Sparky]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

God accounted for EVERTHING, He knows and sees all. As we speak Jesus is reading your post, and He is not happy with you!

Okay, could you quote scripture that explains how God accounted for the things I just mentioned? Does he say at any point specifically that in an armed rape it is better for the woman to be stabbed and potentially die?
Or what happens if she cries out in a city but it's in an alleyway by a busy road and no-one hears her? Or if the attacker breaks into her house and no-one can hear her screams through the walls?
Thank you

[BelieverInGod]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Okay, could you quote scripture that explains how God accounted for the things I just mentioned? Does he say at any point specifically that in an armed rape it is better for the woman to be stabbed and potentially die?
Or what happens if she cries out in a city but it's in an alleyway by a busy road and no-one hears her? Or if the attacker breaks into her house and no-one can hear her screams through the walls?
Thank you

You still haven't cracked open Deuteronomy 22, have you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022&version=KJV

23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Basically, woman in city = guilty, woman in field = innocent. oh and if she dies in a struggle to save her dignity, well then I think that would be a good thing if she was a True Christian(TM) because then she'd be going to the arms of Jesus.

Not that True Christian(TM) women get raped, because as this thread originally was trying to point out. Women who dress modestly and don't put themselves in risky positions don't tend to get raped.

[handmaiden]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Hi people. Am I gay just because I'm european? Hell no. Anyway, what I was saying. MY ENORMOUS ***!!! (continuing the legacy) Oh, btw, I'm not really a christian. I just wanted to piss you mother-piffleers off. I succeeded.

Funny, I feel pity rather than pissed. There are also undercurrents of wry amusement, and a soucon of smugness because I can deliver a withering retort without resorting to profanity.

Of course, there's always that special glow that comes with being Saved.

Unruffledly Yours,

Handmaiden

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

According to the Book of Judges, it is alright for a man to commit rape if he really needs to:

Judges 10:21-22
21And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.
22And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

[YouMisuseMyGod]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being] in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Note the operative phrase here: "Because she cried not" - clearly this is a reference to consensual sex, whereas in the very next verse:

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

THIS is a reference to rape, when a man "force her and lie with her", when she "cried, and there was none to save her"- this is the very DEFINITION of rape. You "Christians" wield Bible quotes like swords and holding His book like a shield that exonerates you from questioning. You expect nobody to know better, but maybe if you actually understood the true message of Jesus -compassion and love for others- you would be brave enough to stand up against the people around you and admit to have read your words contradicted a single verse later. The Lord condemns rapists and supports the VICTIMS (because they ARE victims): "There is in the damsel no sin worthy of death."

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you. Because men are the ones doing the raping, naturally they would protect their supposed "right" to do so. Would any of you rape a girl you saw dressed promiscuously? Would you personally? Think about why not for a second. Have compassion and follow the word of Christ as He intended them.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you.

Why would we NOT agree with God and His Word?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Note the operative phrase here: "Because she cried not" - clearly this is a reference to consensual sex, whereas in the very next verse:

So which is more important, the location? Or whether or not she cried out? Also it doesn't say consensual sex. Police and femnazi's tell women to just lay there and take it. To shut their eyes and pretend it isn't happening.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

THIS is a reference to rape, when a man "force her and lie with her", when she "cried, and there was none to save her"- this is the very DEFINITION of rape.

Yes it say's if she is in a field. This is also discussing a betrothed woman, not a virgin.

A woman alone in a field is probably working her husband/fathers property, so she is being Godly. What is a woman doing alone in a city? What frat party did she decide to go to "for fun"?

You "Christians" wield Bible quotes like swords and holding His book like a shield that exonerates you from questioning.

Who are you to think that you can question God? You know better than Him?

You expect nobody to know better, but maybe if you actually understood the true message of Jesus -compassion and love for others- you would be brave enough to stand up against the people around you and admit to have read your words contradicted a single verse later. The Lord condemns rapists and supports the VICTIMS (because they ARE victims): "There is in the damsel no sin worthy of death."

You're cherry picking one line out of a whole chapter. What happens to the woman who cries out in the city and isn't heard?

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you.

Well lets see, this is my second post on this page, Handmaiden is on this page and so is Sister Mary Maria. Perhaps you need help in your reading comprehension?

Because men are the ones doing the raping, naturally they would protect their supposed "right" to do so. Would any of you rape a girl you saw dressed promiscuously? Would you personally? Think about why not for a second. Have compassion and follow the word of Christ as He intended them.

Why do you hate men so much? Why would you send a girl out into the world dressed promiscuously? Do you think a father (man) wants to see his daughter raped? And again, who are you to decide that what God says in the Bible isn't what God means?

[blindrun]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

This is sick. If you are real Christians, god-haters that made up a fake website, or anything in between this topic is not humorous or entertaining whatsoever. Making light of a serious issue that people face and supporting it by taking the bible out of context and posting it anywhere as a joke or whatever you are intending; destroys my faith in humanity.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

This is sick. If you are real Christians, god-haters that made up a genuine website, or anything in between this topic is not humorous or entertaining whatsoever. Making light of a serious issue that people face and supporting it by taking the bible out of context and posting it anywhere as a joke or whatever you are intending; destroys my faith in humanity.

Go read Deuteronomy 22 yourself and explain how we took it out of context.

As for the rest of your post, you're not really making sense. That's usually a sign of demon possession. They get so enraged by being in proximity of our website that they turn the posesee into a gibbering idiot.

[blindrun]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

I'm not enraged. I love you and respect you as it is my duty as a human being. However to tell someone as a Christian emphasis on Christ from the new testament that they deserve to be raped and if they are to go to hell is blasphemy. What happened to respect and helping people through the times that they need it. Have we digressed to the point of creating slanderous websites to show our real selves to the world under the guise of Satire. If this forum is really intent on displaying itself as True Believers, then what faith do you represent. Do you eat pork? do you east lobster? if so then aren't you polluting your bodies per the old testament? If you do abide by those laws then great for you. Do you also however as a Christian believe that Christ came to fulfill the law? In which stating that you should love the Lord your God with all your heart, and Love your neighbor (whores, sluts, and any other slanderous term put aside) as yourself? if not and you throw that verse out for the sake of argument in favor of the Old Testament then shouldn't you consider yourself Jewish (although you would have to be born into it) instead? To take a subject such as rape and speak of it either so lightly or so condemning should not be a subject of someone trying to either prove a point against Christians or as Christians. Even if you are a non-believer in Christ then your basis for morality would fall back on society, in that case society still should pull on your heart strings to show you that this is wrong. If you are a True Christian then also understand that the basis of morality is the holy spirit which is innate in human beings as the holy spirit lives within you and comes before salvation. I do understand the concept of free will and I will not infringe upon that as you have with me. I urge anyone reading this to put yourselves in the shoes of a rape victim and their families, as in the past I my eyes would not have been opened to the injustice and fallacy of such preachings on this website satirical or not.

[Levi Jones]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

what faith do you represent.

The unvarnished Christian faith as it is laid bare through His holy Word.

Do you eat pork? do you east lobster? if so then aren't you polluting your bodies per the old testament?

That is one of the old laws specifically overturned by the New Testament.

Acts 10:12-15 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If you do abide by those laws then great for you. Do you also however as a Christian believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

Of course He did, but He also specifically said He did not come to overturn it.

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In which stating that you should love the Lord your God with all your heart, and Love your neighbor (whores, sluts, and any other slanderous term put aside) as yourself?

Of course we do. Why do you think we are trying to prevent them from being raped?

if not and you throw that verse out for the sake of argument in favor of the Old Testament then shouldn't you consider yourself Jewish (although you would have to be born into it) instead?

Not at all. Christ was born of a virgin. He was the Son of God. He was/is God. He was crucified and raised three days later. He preached after His resurrection and then ascended into Heaven. He will return soon.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

If you are a True Christian then also understand that the basis of morality is the holy spirit which is innate in human beings.

Chapter and verse please. My Bible says.

Romans 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

I'm not enraged. I love you and respect you as it is my duty as a human being.

You love and respect me, but you called us sick?

However to tell someone as a Christian emphasis on Christ from the new testament that they deserve to be raped and if they are to go to hell is blasphemy.

Please show in Scripture where it says that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament. Because from what I've read in the Bible. The OT still stands with very few exceptions.

• * We're not required to make sacrifices because Jesus has given one sacrifice once for all. (Hebr. chap. 9+10)
  * We don't follow the food laws (Mark 7:15-19, Acts 10:12-16, Rom. 14:1-3) although some members still regard lobster with suspicion.
  * We don't observe OT (=Jewish) holidays. (Gal. 4:9-11)
  * The day of rest is Sunday. (Acts 20:7, 1st Cor. 16:2)

What happened to respect and helping people through the times that they need it.

We are trying to help people. We're trying to fight the fuzzy bunny "christian" churches and teach what the Bible really says. How can someone claim to be a Christian, yet not know their Bible?

Have we digressed to the point of creating slanderous websites to show our real selves to the world under the guise of true religion.

Should we hide it under a bushel?

Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

If this forum is really intent on displaying itself as True Believers, then what faith do you represent.

We're Baptists, can you not read the top of the page?

Do you eat pork? do you east lobster? if so then aren't you polluting your bodies per the old testament? If you do abide by those laws then great for you.

We don't follow the food laws (Mark 7:15-19, Acts 10:12-16, Rom. 14:1-3) although some members still regard lobster with suspicion.

I personally only eat pork if it is offered to me, and I don't eat shellfish. Cockroaches of the sea as far as I'm concerned.

Do you also however as a Christian believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

So you think this means that we can chuck the entire OT? Then why bother printing it? I mean we could cut the cost of printing a Bible by 2/3 if we cut it out.

Of course there's the small issue, that Jesus himself told us the OT still stands.

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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n which stating that you should love the Lord your God with all your heart, and Love your neighbor (whores, sluts, and any other slanderous term put aside) as yourself?

Please point out where the Bible says that "whores and sluts" are our neighbors?.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

2nd Corinthians 6:14-17 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

if not and you throw that verse out for the sake of argument in favor of the Old Testament then shouldn't you consider yourself Jewish (although you would have to be born into it) instead?

You don't have to be born into Judaism. But then again, if you don't know your own religion, how would I expect you to know about another one.

To take a subject such as rape and speak of it either so lightly or so condemning should not be a subject of someone trying to either prove a point against Christians or as Christians.

We're basing it on the Bible. Please show us where in the NT it says that women should dress like whores.

Even if you are a non-believer in Christ then your basis for morality would fall back on society, in that case society still should pull on your heart strings to show you that this is wrong.

See this is the problem with you fuzzy bunny christians, you're more worried about what "society" thinks of you, than what God thinks of you.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

If you are a True Christian then also understand that the basis of morality is the holy spirit which is innate in human beings as the holy spirit lives within you and comes before salvation.

Uh....... yeah, we've dealt with this before.

How do you know that the spirit speaking to you is the "Holy Spirit"? After all Satan can appear as an angel of light. The way to tell is to compare what the spirit is telling you to God's own words. If the spirit is saying something different, then it is a demon that needs to be cast out.

I do understand the concept of free will and I will not infringe upon that as you have with me. I urge anyone reading this to put yourselves in the shoes of a rape victim and their families, as in the past I my eyes would not have been opened to the injustice and fallacy of such preachings on this website religious or not.

You came into our forum, insulted us and we infringed on you?

When did the world turn so badly that a woman can go out wearing nothing but a tube sock around her chest and a belt around her waist, drink herself to oblivion at some frat party and not expect anything bad to happen to her? What happened to personal responsibility?

And as far as the fallacy preaching, I still haven't seen one piece of actual scripture from you. If you can't back it up from the Bible, how can you say it's true?

[jennabenna]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

What is a woman doing alone in an area where negroes roam in gangs? No not "all chicks don't dress like sluts and whores" but baggy clothes are easy to get into. A woman should dress in a nice simple cotton dress that goes above the collarbone and below the calf. She should basically blend into the woodwork with her modest appearance. I dress like that and I've never been raped.

You know, it's funny that you should say that, because now that I think of it, as far as the basics go, my clothes would be okay with you. I wear floor length skirts most of the time, although you might not like the Batik dyeing. Or the patchwork. My shirts are normally either just plain, non low necked T-shirts or peasant blouses, though you might not like the tie dye or the embroidered flowers.
It's funny, but the people on this forum are more alike in the basics than you might think. We might all have a better time of it if we would think of that, rather than the differences.

[Hubert Hope]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

You know, it's funny that you should say that, because now that I think of it, as far as the basics go, my clothes would be okay with you. I wear floor length skirts most of the time, although you might not like the Batik dyeing. Or the patchwork. My shirts are normally either just plain, non low necked T-shirts or peasant blouses, though you might not like the tie dye or the embroidered flowers.
It's funny, but the people on this forum are more alike in the basics than you might think. We might all have a better time of it if we would think of that, rather than the differences.

Wear what ever you want Lady but remember should a man came over and lay with you, all the faults are yours. Is your father still alive by the way?

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

[silverspirit2001]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Wear what ever you want Lady but remember should a man came over and lay with you, all the faults are yours. Is your father still alive by the way?

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

What's that in today's money - I need several wives

"If he take him another [wife]; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish" Exodus 21.10

15"If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his." Deuteronomy 21