[Brian Ashmore]

Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation

Either you are a Christian or you are not.

I would never want to be your definition of a Christian. It's morally wrong in so many ways... And I dare say the majority of the human populace would agree with me on this.

[GOD=life]

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I would never want to be your definition of a Christian. It's morally wrong in so many ways...

And yet you cannot substantiate your opinion with Scripture. The Bible defines what is and isn't moral, not you.

And I dare say the majority of the human populace would agree with me on this.

And I dare say that the vast majority of the human populace believes God exists.

In the USA, 86% of Americans believe in God. Should the other 14% be told to give up already?

Fallacies can go two ways.......

[James Hutchins]

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James, now take a careful look at all your posts up to this point, and tell me how many times you insulted me, and how many times you called me inferior to you, and then count the times I did that.

Now tell me who has a superiority complex out the two of us?

And you call ME narrow minded? I'm by far more open minded than you are, because I accept the fact that my beliefs may not be true, I am open to the possibility that the Bible isn't as true as it claims it is, and I am open to all the other religions, and won't discard them as rubbish as you do. You, on the other hand, blindly believe in every single word that's written in the Bible without stopping to think just who may have put them there, and you who are so convinced that your Religion is the only true one, and all the others are not. And then you call ME arrogant, ignorant, and narrow-minded, and tell me I have a superiority complex.

Brian, you are wandering off topic. Most likely because you finally understand, which is terrific!
Not once did I insult you, I merely presented to you how you come across. Many times, you've made errors, omissions and mistakes. Not once have you owned up to one of them. Now you are attempting to turn focus of the thread topic. That is the technique of a person who has lost the discussion. Man, up, attempt to regain some dignity.

YIC
JH

[James Hutchins]

Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation

I would never want to be your definition of a Christian. It's morally wrong in so many ways... And I dare say the majority of the human populace would agree with me on this.

Now Brian, taking a partial quote out of context is a losers ploy. You can do better than that, can't you?
Tell me, how do you know a majority are with you on this point? And if so, what should be done about it?

YIC
JH

[Brian Ashmore]

Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation

Now Brian, taking a partial quote out of context is a losers ploy. You can do better than that, can't you?

It's what most of the people have done with my posts here. They either take a partial quote out of context to form an argument around it, take whole parts of them and twist them, or just ignore those on which they have nothing to say.

You're being an utter and complete hypocrite ever since your first post.

Many times, you've made errors, omissions and mistakes. Not once have you owned up to one of them. Now you are attempting to turn focus of the thread topic.

I have made no errors whatsoever, and I have justified every single one of my claims and statements. Something none of you did, except Wide-Open, who was the only one I could have a decent discussion with. It's you who can't justify YOUR claims, and its you who answered none of my questions and statemtns directly, always talking around the bush, avoiding to answer. And THAT is the tactic of someone who lost the discussion

And yet you cannot substantiate your opinion with Scripture. The Bible defines what is and isn't moral, not you.

Moral values can be found in the Bible, but they do not originate from there. Moral values come from reason, and moral philosophy. Just like THe Golden Rule can be found there, but it doesn't stem from the bible. And next time, be a bit more specific, because there are a dozen versions of the Bible.

And I dare say that the vast majority of the human populace believes God exists.

In the USA, 86% of Americans believe in God. Should the other 14% be told to give up already?

I said your definition of Christianity, not God himself.

[GOD=life]

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Moral values can be found in the Bible, but they do not originate from there. Moral values come from reason, and moral philosophy.

Where do you think reason comes from? That's right, God.

We don't say that the Bible should be followed because it's a bestseller or it was featured in Oprah's Book Club. We say it should be followed because it's God's Word.

And next time, be a bit more specific, because there are a dozen versions of the Bible.

But we are being very specific: we follow the KJV 1611 Bible.

I said your definition of Christianity, not God himself.

I gave an example you could relate to. I hope you will agree that the Truth is not determined by popular vote.

By our own estimates, True Christianity represents perhaps 1% of all Christians. Most Christians today live decadent and convenient lifestyles and don't care about the Bible.

The reason people come here is because we can substantiate everything with the Bible, while they cannot. Ever heard the argument that the Old Testament shouldn't be followed, except when it substantiates someone's opinion? Did you think that was nonsense? Guess what, so do we.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I would never want to be your definition of a Christian. It's morally wrong in so many ways... And I dare say the majority of the human populace would agree with me on this.

Brian, it is not OUR definition, it is God's.

Where are you now with this? You have a problem with God do you not? Never a good position in which to be.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Where do you think reason comes from? That's right, God.

We don't say that the Bible should be followed because it's a bestseller or it was featured in Oprah's Book Club. We say it should be followed because it's God's Word.

You THINK its the word of God. You have no proof for it whatsoever.

And reason comes from common sense and instinct which evolved, is still evolving, and probably will for a long time. Mostly through trial and error.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Brian, it is not OUR definition, it is God's.

Where are you now with this? You have a problem with God do you not? Never a good position in which to be.

Oh but it is. Its your definition and version of Christianity. Saying its the only true word of God is arrogant. It's like saying the other 99%(don't blame this on me, your friend there said that your church makes up about 1% of general Christianity) of Christianity is wrong and is going to hell, just like all followers of other religions.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Oh and do you mind answering a question? I scroll over that little red box under the number of my posts, and I see how you say that I'm probably going to hell, etc, etc. Why do you have a trademark sign next to the word ''Salvation''. Did you copyright salvation to your church?

[James Hutchins]

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It's what most of the people have done with my posts here. They either take a partial quote out of context to form an argument around it, take whole parts of them and twist them, or just ignore those on which they have nothing to say.

Now Brian, am I everyone else? Don't be silly, it makes you look foolish. I have twisted nothing.

You're being an utter and complete hypocrite ever since your first post.

Please, do let me know where that has happened. And please, the unrepentant child example is not being hypocritical. Hypocritical would be say, complaining about a persons spelling (where there were no errors, interesting) all the while, making errors yourself.

I have made no errors whatsoever, and I have justified every single one of my claims and statements. Something none of you did, except Wide-Open, who was the only one I could have a decent discussion with. It's you who can't justify YOUR claims, and its you who answered none of my questions and statemtns directly, always talking around the bush, avoiding to answer. And THAT is the tactic of someone who lost the discussion

See above and prior posts. Every statement has been backed up. Brian, there is written proof of everything and you are damning yourself by the second. Soon, you will not be able to save any respect and be a total laughing stock.

Moral values can be found in the Bible, but they do not originate from there. Moral values come from reason, and moral philosophy. Just like THe Golden Rule can be found there, but it doesn't stem from the bible. And next time, be a bit more specific, because there are a dozen versions of the Bible.

I have never seen written proof that morals were cataloged prior to the Bible, though I am sure in some form or another they were.
Just so you know, we use only the KJV1611 Bible.

I said your definition of Christianity, not God himself.

We do not have a 'Version of Christianty". We do have the Words of God in the Bible. There is no mention of 'Version'

[GOD=life]

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You THINK its the word of God. You have no proof for it whatsoever.

It's a common argument and I addressed in my signature: I do have the proof. It's just impossible to convey to someone who doesn't surrender to God.

Do you at least accept that it is wrong for a Christian to pick only the parts of the Bible that he finds convenient... or substantiates his opinions? If so, then congrats: we have something in common. You may think 100% of Christianity is false, we think 99% is false. Quite some overlap.

With us, you can point to any part of the Bible you find horrific and we will never say "nah, skip that". Try this with most "normal" Christians and they'll tell you to skip and twist everything so that it confirms to contemporary standards.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Oh but it is. Its your definition and version of Christianity. Saying its the only true word of God is arrogant. It's like saying the other 99%(don't blame this on me, your friend there said that your church makes up about 1% of general Christianity) of Christianity is wrong and is going to hell, just like all followers of other religions.

Brain, how can it be wrong to follow every one of God's Words? When you drive your car, do you think it is fine to ignore red lights or travel at 100mph through a town? You are happy to obey man-made laws but reject God's...

All I can say is "Why?"

Oh and do you mind answering a question? I scroll over that little red box under the number of my posts, and I see how you say that I'm probably going to hell, etc, etc. Why do you have a trademark sign next to the word ''Salvation''. Did you copyright salvation to your church?

Salvation™ is through Faith Alone. Only Landover follows the Bible to the exact letter just as God Commands.

If we follow correctly, how can there not be Salvation™? God has given us His Word, His Promise.

No other church does this, no other person knows as much or believes as hard as Landover about the Nature and Demands of God. Can you see? Learn to drive with us and we guarantee you will get a license.

[GOD=life]

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(don't blame this on me, your friend there said that your church makes up about 1% of general Christianity)

A minor correction: we see eachother as Brothers, not just friends. A friend is someone who could later become a Brother. Note that we also often address unbelievers as friends.

Also, the 99% figure should be reasonably accurate. I believe some have put it at 98%, but I've never seen anything mentioned below 95%. It should be a cause for concern that most people who live and swear by the Bible don't actually read it.....

[James Hutchins]

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Well, apparently Brian finally realized the errors of his ways and has slinked off into the night. Had he only fessed up, he'd of been the better man for it.