[Wide-Open]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

Yes, but what if the baby doesn't have that much of a chance anyway, most abortions are carried out at a point that it's harmfull to the baby if the mother dies.

So where is God in all this? Who makes that decision about "not much of a chance anyway"?

Do you believe in an omnipotent God or not? Do you believe that his hand is behind every breath we take, every twitch we feel? Or don't you?

In other words, murdering an already existing soul, to one that maybe is going to die because of that? Is that a price you are willing to pay?

I'm not paying a price at all, because I leave it in God's capable hands. He's the one who decides what goes, and what doesn't. That's why he is GOD, and not Balkenende.

Let me give you a secular example: a women is pregnant for the sixth time, and her previous children were either deaf, had syphilis, died, or a combination thereof.

Would you abort the child?

Would you?

Yes?

Tell me honestly.

Then...

... you would have killed Ludwig von Beethoven...

Substitute "Beethoven" for the real thing (Jesus) and you will know why YOU NOR I can made that decision.

Ever.

[Nozzle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

@bobby-joe:

John 9 is very clear about that:

1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. 4As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."



So it is not necessary that the mother has sinned, maybe Jesus just wants to tell her something (although he may be more clear sometimes).


@wide-open


I would never abort when a kid might be handicapped, ever. But if there's a chance I would both loose the woman i love (yes, I do not only love the men) but also my child she's carrying, I would consider abortion.


Furthermore: I'm not really sure what omnipotent means (I guess it means, in the context you're using, a God who controls everything) so I'm not using that exact word.

However, I believe that God put us on the earth to make our own decisions, and leaves it up to us if we make the good or the wrong ones. I don't think He controls me every movement I make, although I do believe He watches me and guides me to do the right thing, but it's up to me to make that choice.

Nozzle

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

No, God controls everything. http://www.geocities.com/pvrosman/Bi...stination.html

Matt. 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Rom. 8:29,30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Eph. 1:3, 6, 11 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

2 Tim. 1:9-10 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

2 Thess. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth

1 Pet. 1:1,2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

John 6:37;17:2-24 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out...As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Rev. 13:8; 17:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

1 Thess. 5:9,10a For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who died for us...


Ex. 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.



Pro. 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Acts 2:23; 4:28; 13:48 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:...For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done... And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Rom. 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

Eph. 3:11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

[Nozzle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

So, if I understand correctly, God wants us to sin? He makes us sin?

Thats a contradiction in terms, not?

Nozzle

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

@bobby-joe:

John 9 is very clear about that:

1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. 4As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."



So it is not necessary that the mother has sinned, maybe Jesus just wants to tell her something (although he may be more clear sometimes).

I read in that passage God's want to tell the child something. What work of God can be displayed in murdered little baby? Even if the message is for the mother I can not accept God's message to her to be "murder your little baby".

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

So, if I understand correctly, God wants us to sin? He makes us sin?

Thats a contradiction in terms, not?

Nozzle

How is that a contradiction?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

So, if I understand correctly, God wants us to sin? He makes us sin?

Thats a contradiction in terms, not?

Nozzle

God is justice. For God to be just He needs to punish evil doers. To have evil doers God must create them.

[Nozzle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

But why did God make rules then? If he just let us break them, in other words, why doesn't He just punish us all the time?

Think about that for a while, it doesn't make sense, a God who gives us rules, then makes us disobey them and then He punishes us....

Doesn't sound right to me...

Nozzle

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

Have you ever heard of 5-Point Calvinism? Look it up.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

But why did God make rules then? If he just let us break them, in other words, why doesn't He just punish us all the time?

Think about that for a while, it doesn't make sense, a God who gives us rules, then makes us disobey them and then He punishes us....

Doesn't sound right to me...

Nozzle

It's simple enough. Show me in the Bible where your imaginary GOD acts like you think he ought.

[theunderdog]

Re: SKITTLES: THE CANDY OF QUEERS! OUTRAGEOUS PERVERTED HORRORS!

Okay, I'll give it a shot. But I don't imagine you'll be too satisfied, on account of you being a God-mocker and all. Unless you have been Saved© by the Grace of God, you have little hope of understanding God's Divine Plan for the world.

Also, since your questions have nothing whatsoever to do with the dangers of rainbow candies, I am going to snip this and place it in the proper thread. Kindly stop derailing the topics posted on our forum.



1. We bring the Blessings of God's Holy Word, in their entirety, to the unsaved trash who stumble into our Christian forum. It is not hateful to try and save people from an eternity in hell. The Bible commands that we judge and rebuke the wicked of this world.




2. You would have us ignore that part of God's commandments I suppose. I don't know where you've seen any hatefulness expressed by a True Christian™. If your definition of hatred is to ignore the sins of the unsaved, well, you're just plain wrong on that.





3. Of course all of God's creations are precious. That's why He wants them to become Saved© and follow His Holy Word. The whole package, not just partway.

If you robbed a bank, you would be a criminal, correct? Do you think the judge would care one bit if you told him "Hey, at least I didn't murder anyone!"? Jesus is the same as that judge. He is the ultimate judge, and you and every sodomite on earth are going to appear before Jesus on bended knee one fine day an answer for your disgusting hobby. God says that queers are "Abominations," and if you disagree with that, then you are most certainly NOT a Christian.

By definition, a sodomite has rejected God. Full stop. You cannot "kind of" accept God's Word. Unless they sincerely repent being a repulsive queer, there is no hope for Salvation©. You nancyboys can prance around all day long saying how much you love Jesus, but He ain't buying it unless you REPENT!





4. I have highlighted the key to this scripture for you. Jesus offers total and complete forgiveness IF YOU SINCERELY REPENT. We all agree with you that Christ's message is a loving one. But your crazy notion that His forgiveness is without condition is just nonsense. Hell holds a special place for the unrepentant (Romans 1:31).



5. We have no reason to believe you. Your DOF file says you're French, and we put great trust in what they tell us. In addition, you have given no sign at all that you have accepted Jesus as your personal Savior©. From the moment you waltzed in here (uninvited) you have been an angry, hateful troll. You obviously have scales upon your eyes, and cannot understand God's Holy Word.

Take your hate elsewhere, Frenchie.

1. Tell me, how many unsaved have you prayed for? How many have you truly accepted and said that you can still be saved, NOT byt tithing everythig to Landover, just by accepting Jesus as your savior? None.

2. I have seen hatefulness for sure. You absolutely LOATHE those who are not Christion or straight. You insult them at every opportunity. In fact, you insult anyone who isn't American. That's blatant racism, homophobism, and sexism (because you seem to think that all women are stupid and are property).

3. What He is saying here is not that it could've been worse; it's that no one is without sin. Therefore if you repent, you can still be saved. Sodomites (as you call them) are not gay by choice, but by circumstances they can't change. Until you realize this, then you will remain ignorant. Someone who is gay CAN STILL BE CHRISTIAN. You claim that they have not accepted God. They could have, how could you know? They might pray for forgiveness every day (even though they can't help it). You have tunnel vision.

4. They probably don't WANT to be gay. I know that if I were gay, I wouldn't want to be. So they can still repent. Why would God make gay people? Would it be His design? They can't simply be a vent for His power, as you suggest.

5. The fact that you have all these files and look at them is pretty weird... Almost like a stalker or predator might do. I would stop, I doubt if it's even legal.

On a side note, Saved and Savior aren't copyright..... Or at least they shouldn't be.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: SKITTLES: THE CANDY OF QUEERS! OUTRAGEOUS PERVERTED HORRORS!

1. Tell me, how many unsaved have you prayed for? How many have you truly accepted and said that you can still be saved, NOT byt tithing everythig to Landover, just by accepting Jesus as your savior? None.

WRONG! We have prayed for EVERY SOUL ON EARTH!

[Nozzle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

@heathen...

It's a contradiction because you say that God controls (let you do) all the things you do.

You also say, that we people are sinners.

So that means, that you say that God makes us do the sins.

Nozzle

[Nozzle]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

@pastor,

A few for you:

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. (this is where I base the 'imaginary loving God' creature on)


Matthew 5:44-48

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (this is also where I base the 'imaginary loving God' creature on)


And here's a few for you all:


Mark 2:23-28

23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.


The next one is a bit tricky, you say that the Jews killed Jesus. You blame all the Jews for that, and I say that's wrong. Here's why:


Matthew 27:20 20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.



Mark 15:11 11But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.



Nozzle

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Frenchie Has Issues With God

Nozzle, if you weren't such a Bible illiterate God-hater, you'd know the answer to that question. I suggest you read the entire book of Romans, lots of good stuff in here. But here's a passage that pertains specifically to our discussion:


Romans 9:10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?