[Illidan Stormrage]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

All this time you seem to claim that when the apocalypse comes (which could happen any moment now, if I understand this correctly) you True Christians (these two words always remind of ManOwaR) are the only ones that are going to heaven and everyone else is going to go for an eternal swim in a lake of sulfur.

Maybe you should reread the book of revelation.

I am going to help you and point out Rev 7:4-8. There it is written ( I checked and this isn't edited out of the KJV 1611) that only 144000 are going to be saved. 12000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. (I'm to lazy to type the names so look them up if you're interested.) So unless you are a part of any of those tribes, that means that your faith isn't as "True" as you claim it to be.

So... If you still say that you are not going to hell, that would mean that you are only following that parts of The Bible that you like. And I am sure you do not like this idea.

There is also a possibility that The Devil/Satan/Beelzeebub/Lord of the Flies/Abraxas/Azazel or anythign else that you like to call this guy -> , simply fooled god into believing that he is torturing people in Hell? Maybe they are having an eternal party down there? Maybe a non-stop metal festival? And when Thy Lord sends his angels to check on Satan, he simply shows them the section where he makes the masochists feel good. Or something similar, the possibilities are infinite. If the Devil hates god so much, why would he obey him?

Please enlighten my unsaved mind.


Just one more question (for now): Do you consider the person in the picture a goth?



(I apologise for any grammar errors. My english isn't perfect, but I try my best)

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?



I care about what you have to say.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Maybe you should reread the book of revelation.

I am going to help you and point out Rev 7:4-8. There it is written ( I checked and this isn't edited out of the KJV 1611) that only 144000 are going to be saved. 12000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. (I'm to lazy to type the names so look them up if you're interested.) So unless you are a part of any of those tribes, that means that your faith isn't as "True" as you claim it to be.

So... If you still say that you are not going to hell, that would mean that you are only following that parts of The Bible that you like. And I am sure you do not like this idea.

Maybe you should take your own advice and re-read it yourself?
Actually, you need only read the next verse!

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:9

But thanks for making a fool of yourself and providing some amusement for Jesus elect.

Next dumbass in line, step up please.

There is also a possibility that The Devil/Satan/Beelzeebub/Lord of the Flies/Abraxas/Azazel or anythign else that you like to call this guy -> , simply fooled god into believing that he is torturing people in Hell? Maybe they are having an eternal party down there? Maybe a non-stop metal festival? And when Thy Lord sends his angels to check on Satan, he simply shows them the section where he makes the masochists feel good. Or something similar, the possibilities are infinite. If the Devil hates god so much, why would he obey him?

Uhm.. What part of OMNISCIENT and OMNIPOTENT don't you understand, fool?

Put the satanic 'bible'.. and the crackpipe.. down. Please.

Just one more question (for now): Do you consider the person in the picture a goth?

Yes. And a sissy looking one too!
BTW your name sounds like something a wicca faggot would use.. And combine that with your feminine looks..
I must ask: Are you a homosexual? Don't you know that God hates fags?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Illidan Stormrage: Rev 7:4-8. There it is written ( I checked and this isn't edited out of the KJV 1611) that only 144000 are going to be saved. 12000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
You need to read a little more, friend. 144000 Jews will be saved. All True Christians™ will be saved. The 144000 referred to in Rev 7:4-8 are all of the Jews who managed to keep every last one of God's laws and live 100% free of sin.

Illidan Stormrage: So... If you still say that you are not going to hell, that would mean that you are only following that parts of The Bible that you like. And I am sure you do not like this idea.
I would be more concerned if you actually had a clue what you were talking about.

Illidan Stormrage: Just one more question (for now): Do you consider the person in the picture a goth?
Well, she's not wearing the ghostly white makeup and black lipstick, but she is wearing all black clothes and a man's hat, so I'm leaning towards yes. She's clearly some kind of Satanist, though, even if she isn't a pure Goth.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I care about what you have to say.

Good point. He/she is clearly a goth, and that means we are under no obligation whatsoever to listen to what he/she has to say. He/she could be incredibly wise, right about everything, and post the greatest arguments imaginable, and they'd still be wrong.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Well I was more referring to the fact that he seems to be named after a computer game character. It seems like these goths just get less and less inventive with their internet handles. One day we're dealing with "Roseroguesang" and "Depressed Rain", then "Illidan Stormrage", before we know it we could have a "Super Mario" on here trying to change our minds about our stance on gothism.

[roserougesang]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Well I was more referring to the fact that he seems to be named after a computer game character. It seems like these goths just get less and less inventive with their internet handles. One day we're dealing with "Roseroguesang" and "Depressed Rain", then "Illidan Stormrage", before we know it we could have a "Super Mario" on here trying to change our minds about our stance on gothism.

How is mine un-inventive?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Here is a typical goth, so addled by years of blood drinking, pet murdering, and crystal meth that he can't even answer a simple question!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

I don't even want to know why he likes what he likes and what he likes them for.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Here is a typical goth, so addled by years of blood drinking, pet murdering, and crystal meth that he can't even answer a simple question!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

I don't even want to know why he likes what he likes and what he likes them for.

That kid obviously fell on his head a few times. I think I have seen a clip of his father somewhere.

[cjoy017]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may
have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure
and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to
participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds
into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek
immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental
guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the
following are applicable to your child:

1-Frequently wears black clothing.
2-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
3-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
4-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols.
5-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
6-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music.
(Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against
the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
7-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
8-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the
Bible, prayer, church or sports.
9-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult,
witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
10-Takes drugs.
11-Drinks alcohol.
12-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
13-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation.
(This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God
and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.)
14-Complains of boredom.
15-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
16-Is excessively awake during the night.
17-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
18-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
19-Spends large amounts of time alone.
20-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child
may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
21-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an
adult.
22-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders
are but a few examples of this.
23-Misbehaves at school.
24-Misbehaves at home.
25-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of
this.
26-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and
should be stopped immediately.)
27-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
28-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing
nature.
29-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer.
30-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
31-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
32-Expresses an interest in sex.
33-Masturbates.
34-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
35-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism,
Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
36-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various
phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
37-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene
immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it.
If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental
health center.

While I fully respect that you want to protect youth, and that indeed some of these listed are to be checked out, you are pretending to care when you don't. So I think the best way for me to reply is to go through your 37 "warning signs"
1-There's nothing wrong with black. It's just another colour.
2-There's nothing wrong with band t-shirts. While not all bands are to be promoted, there ARE christian rock groups that have brought many to Christ.
3-While I understand your view, you need to understand that this is a stereotypical image. Just because someone wears eyeliner or black nail polish doesn't mean they're in love with the devil.
4-This I agree with, but i think a better start is to ask the wearer if they know what it means. Ankhs have been confused by Christians as crosses with the fish on top, so checking first is best.
5-Now this is silly. I suppose wanting to brand yourself with, say, reference to a Bible verse clearly indicates the Occolt?
6-I agree that music should be monitered, remember that not all secular music is terrible. I agree with your views on Marilyn Manson.
7-Since when is being a little different a problem? God made us humans, not robots.
8-I agree that the Bible, Prayer and Church are very important, the lessening of interest in things like sports doesn't mean they're going the wrong way. It may simply mean they don't have time for it, or are simply trying to develop other interests.
9-Yes, these should be checked out.
10-Definitely a problem.
11-Not a problem if they're 21 or older. While exessive drinking isn't any good, drinking in itself isn't an issue. The first miracle Jesus did was to turn water into wine.
12-This is indeed a problem that needs to be looked into.
13-Self-mutilation is a problem, but it doesn't always mean the person is trying to escape God's light, as you put it. It could just be a result of depression - sometimes they don't feel anything, are numb to any emotion, and so they hurt themselves just to feel something. Being able to feel even pain is a relief when one hasn't felt anything for a long time.
14-This doesn't mean they're becoming posessed. Just that they want something to do. The approach is simple - give them something to do whether it be a chore, to memorize a verse, or permit them to have a friend over.
15-This can be a sign of depression, and should be checked. However, variables like adjusting to a new area, chedule or new medication should be considered if they're a possibility.
15-First, check the caffine intake [chocolate, coffee, and sodas are usually the issue] and avoid intake of them too close to bedtime. This can be different for individuals, usually the cut-off should be between 3 and 7. If this isn't the case, it could just be a different sleep pattern which may need to be adjusted. It is also wise to check for insomnia, as it could be the culprit aswell.
17-I see your point here, but concerning the sun, remember that not everyone is able to tan - some just burn. My point in this is that baking in the sun isn't of any use to some people. Can you blame them? Sunburns aren't of any benefit for them!
18-Privacy is fine, but if it is "unusual" then it shouldn't be permitted. Again, it doesn't pinpoint the problem to cults necissarily.
19-Some people just like their alone time. How do you know they're not praying in private, or studying? It's good to know what they're studying, if indeed they are, but trust doesn't hurt.
20-They could be meditating on the word of God.
21-This should be checked, I agree. But once you know which friend and what they're doing, for example going to see a movie with a friend or group of friends, shouldn't be an issue. Less so if they have a cell phone and can therefore be reached.
22-While you're right in saying lack of respect for authority is an issue, it doesn't mean they're in Spiritual trouble. It's completely natural for teens especially to have problems with authority. Yes, it should be discouraged and punished when needed, but it doesn't always qualify as a gothic thing.
23-Misbehavior is no good, but again, that doesn't make the person gothic.
24-Same as above.
25-What is a goth-related food?? That cereal is really good, and it's not their fault it's named for a vampire. It just so happens that that's about the best chocolate cereal ever. Totally unrelated to being Gothic.
26-This, I agree, is gross. I don't know how drinking blood can possibly be good physically or spiritually. Spirituality aside, this can cause vomiting and disease.
27-Cable television isn't the root of all evil. Granted, there's plenty wrong with it, but watching it in itself doesn't count as a problem. Yes, it should be monitered, but there's no issue until they're watching things like crossing over.
28-Things like mario or james bond have nothing to do with being gothic. Keep an eye out for things like Doom, yes. But JUST because they play it doesn't mean they're worshipping satan.
29-I suppose Bill Gates made time for the computer too...
30-Satanic symbols are an issue. Headbanging not do much. Unless it's causing harm to them physically or the music isn't any good, it's not an issue.
31-This is simply inappropriate. Has nothing to do with the gothic repitoire.
32-Of course they're interested in sex - hormones are raging, they can't always help it. I'm not saying that porn or premarital sex is OK, I'm well aware that it's not. I'm just saying that instead of dragging them to an institution, help them learn to control themselves.
33-Again, they might not be able to control it yet. However, if they do things indicating that they're looking to masturbate, yes, the parent should deal with that issue.
34-While I'm not in anyway promoting the homosexual agenda, it doesn't mean your child is becoming gothic. Yes, you should do all you can, LOVINGLY, to help the person understand it's wrong and they should change with God's help, but know it's not always a sign of being goth.
35-Yes, these need to be checked. While gothic may not be the direct problem, there's obviously something to be checked.
36-This could be a problem, I agree.
37-Definitely.

I just want to say that gothics need Christ too, so don't just write them off as trash to be burned later. They need to be counted as eternal souls in need of a saviour. Jesus loved the outcasts, and He wants us to love them too. They're not hateful people, and they're usually very open to hearing what Christians have to say. So please just think about what I've said.
Love in Christ
cjoy

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I just want to say that gothics need Christ too, so don't just write them off as trash to be burned later.

Well they can start by ending their deplorable lifestyles.

[cjoy017]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Well they can start by ending their deplorable lifestyles.

That's fine, but they need Christ to do that first. If you see them as the captive everyone starts as, then it's clear that they need His help first.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

That's fine, but they need Christ to do that first. If you see them as the captive everyone starts as, then it's clear that they need His help first.

We agree. That's why we published this list so responsible Christian parents will take the appropriate steps like getting a intervention for their child before it is too late. Landover runs several Troubled Teen Programs were children who falling into the Gothic deathstyle can be helped back to Jesus’ love and a normal life in a secluded and secure setting with fully trained counselors. Our Sister Lynndie England runs a very nice program in Kentucky.

[Master of Puppets (Quarantined)]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I'm gunna put this strait I ain't no fucking "goth"..k? Who cares if I listen to GOOD music like Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Van Halen, Megadeth? ..Now That Were clear, let the fun begin.


Listen up you piece of shit "brother"(your to ugly to be my brother) Temperance you better watch what you say, your fuckin pissin' me off, some of my friends may or may not be goth(IDK?) so shut your fuckin' mouth before i catch the next plane to were ever the fuck you are and shove a knife down your throat......Are we Fuckin' clear?

[Brother Guy Bayard]

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I'm gunna put this strait I ain't no piffleing "goth"..k? Who cares if I listen to GOOD music like Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Van Halen, Megadeth? ..Now That Were clear, let the fun begin.


Listen up you piece of shit "brother"(your to ugly to be my brother) Temperance you better watch what you say, your pifflein pissin' me off, some of my friends may or may not be goth(IDK?) so shut your pifflein' mouth before i catch the next plane to were ever the piffle you are and shove a knife down your throat......Are we pifflein' clear?

There's at least 4 spelling and grammatical errors in this post.
I think the poor dear is having such a horrible hissy fit that he has forgotten to use his spellchecker. (Spellcheck is not some Wiccan thing - its for spelling yor werdz rite)