[Levi Jones]

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Therefore judge nothing before the time.

Does that mean that our entire legal system is non-biblical?

We can judge nothing?

[Elizabeth Dawn]

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No, it means don't judge in God's place. The legal system judges man's actions. That verse is saying not judge a man's heart in the place of God, because you aren't God.

[blacksheep5891]

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Wow, my heart breaks as i read through this thread. All these "Christians" on here full of so much hate and anger. It's really depressing and heart wrenching as a Christian to see all this hate-mongering. You are being so quick to hate people simply because of how they dress, the music they choose to listen to, or the fact that they like poetry and cemeteries. I know i can't change anything on this forum, but i will express my opinion and try to shed light on as many facts as possible.

To the Goths i would like to say, as a Christian,...or better put, as a follower of Christ, I want to apologize for what you have had to witness here. Please do not take these people as an example of what a true Christian is. They do not speak for all of us and certainly not for God. I know of many true Christians and many churches who are accepting of Goths. Also, as a goth myself, i share in your annoyance.

To the "Christians" let me say, I am a Christian. . . a true Christian and a member in good standing of a Baptist church. However, if I was not already a Christian and people like you were among the first examples I saw of Christianity, I would not want anything to do with it at all! (Thankfully I met Christ first.) I have had many people i have either become friends with, went to school with, or worked with who would not have anything to do with Christianity because of people like you. I am sure you mean well but your attitudes push people away! The way you are acting will send more people to HELL by pushing them away than anything else. People run as hard as they can go toward other religions because of how you act. I have known people who have said "Jesus seems awesome, its the followers i hate." And i agree!! You should feel ashamed! Go on, hang your head! When judgement comes, woe be unto you who were a stumbling block to the people who otherwise would have accepted our Savior! Yes, they may be in sin...but we all are...its not the message thats the problem, its the delivery system!! Just because someone dresses a certain way does not mean anything. I know people who are more evil than any goth I have met who wear suits and ties and hang out in "Wholesome" places such as sporting arenas or the Golf course. If you want someone to listen to you...just like with anything else you want to say, if your kind and just toss it out there people are a lot more likely to respond positively than if you try to force it upon them. I pray that the Holy Spirit convicts your hearts, and shows you that, while some of your ideas may be just, your attitude stinks!

[blacksheep5891]

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Wait! Hold up!

Someone said this tub of shi...........er crap is beautiful?

ROFLMAOWJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just another over fed Gothtard!

Gawd, I love my visits here. I laugh til my sides split.

Look at those Hellbound whores! What couple of fat asses. Have they heard of Jenny Craig?

WAIT! i thought this was a Christian forum...but since were talking about looks and the appearance of evil and what not...i think im inclined to continue

BibleThumpinBlonde...you are dressed like a prostitute! No goth i know (though im sure some do) dress as provocatively as you! Not to mention your little signature thing about pies seems to hold A LOT of pride...one of the things God hates most! tsk tsk! OH, and about to let that curse word slip...remember, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...seems like someone is kinda dirty inside! And "Gawd" is technically taking the Lords Name in vain! FOR SHAME!!

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

[Levi Jones]

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Wow, my heart breaks as i read through this thread. All these "Christians" on here full of so much hate and anger. It's really depressing and heart wrenching as a Christian to see all this hate-mongering. You are being so quick to hate people simply because of how they dress, the music they choose to listen to, or the fact that they like poetry and cemeteries.

Cemeteries really? Why would you want to hang out among the dead? Don't you know that is exactly what witches and satanists do?

To the Goths i would like to say, as a Christian,...or better put, as a follower of Christ,

What makes you think you are following Christ by dressing like a harlot?

I want to apologize for what you have had to witness here.

Me too. I'm sorry you decided to come here and throw a childish tantrum over what you know to be true deep within your heart. The gothic lifestyle is a road to drugs and meaningless sex.

Please do not take these people as an example of what a true Christian is. They do not speak for all of us and certainly not for God.

This is true. We do not speak for God. God speaks through us through His Holy Word.

I know of many true Christians and many churches who are accepting of Goths.

These are false churches full of cuddly feel good false prophets. God is love, but God is also horrible judgment. If you had been actually reading your Bible instead of painting your face like a disgusting harlot, you would know this.

Also, as a goth myself, i share in your annoyance.

You like hanging out in graveyards, yet you call yourself a Christian? Jesus said, "Let the dead bury their own." Paul writes, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

To the "Christians" let me say, I am a Christian. . . a true Christian and a member in good standing of a Baptist church.

I'm sure they know about your little black masses.

I pray that the Holy Spirit convicts your hearts, and shows you that, while some of your ideas may be just, your attitude stinks!

I'm sorry if you find the Word of God to be offensive, friend.

[ImonaBoat]

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If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may
have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure
and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to
participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds
into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek
immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental
guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the
following are applicable to your child:

1-Frequently wears black clothing.
2-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
3-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
4-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols.
5-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
6-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music.
(Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against
the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
7-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
8-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the
Bible, prayer, church or sports.
9-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult,
witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
10-Takes drugs.
11-Drinks alcohol.
12-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
13-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation.
(This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God
and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.)
14-Complains of boredom.
15-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
16-Is excessively awake during the night.
17-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
18-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
19-Spends large amounts of time alone.
20-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child
may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
21-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an
adult.
22-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders
are but a few examples of this.
23-Misbehaves at school.
24-Misbehaves at home.
25-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of
this.
26-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and
should be stopped immediately.)
27-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
28-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing
nature.
29-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer.
30-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
31-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
32-Expresses an interest in sex.
33-Masturbates.
34-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
35-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism,
Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
36-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various
phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
37-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene
immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it.
If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental
health center.

I'm pretty late in this post, but hey, why not?

Woo! I have 17 signs from the List, and yet I'm Christian!
Could it be that people in the world are waaaaay too extreme with their religious beliefs?

[Levi Jones]

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I'm pretty late in this post, but hey, why not?

Woo! I have 17 signs from the List, and yet I'm Christian!

We'll see. Why not head over to the introductions section and tell us more about yourself? I would love to hear your testimony and more about yourself, seaman.

Could it be that people in the world are waaaaay too extreme with their religious beliefs?

I don't know, could it? All I know is that I follow the entire Bible. I'll be praying for you.

[ImonaBoat]

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Cemeteries really? Why would you want to hang out among the dead? Don't you know that is exactly what witches and satanists do?

See, The dead don't spew quite as much hate as I've seen here...

What makes you think you are following Christ by dressing like a harlot?

So now clothes define the person?

Me too. I'm sorry you decided to come here and throw a childish tantrum over what you know to be true deep within your heart. The gothic lifestyle is a road to drugs and meaningless sex.

I am 19 years old, have NO intention of EVER doing drugs, Am still a virgin, and see nothing wrong with trying to defend one's self and one's beliefs.

We do not speak for God. God speaks through us through His Holy Word.

Could it be that mayhaps you have misinterpreted the Word?

These are false churches full of cuddly feel good false prophets. God is love, but God is also horrible judgment. If you had been actually reading your Bible instead of painting your face like a disgusting harlot, you would know this.

You know, I do read my Bible, and I notice that a lot of your bible verses come from the Old Testament. If you read a little further into the New testament, you'll come across This verse here:

This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. John 15:12, KJV

You like hanging out in graveyards, yet you call yourself a Christian? Jesus said, "Let the dead bury their own." Paul writes, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

I cannot think of any other places in this world to find quite the same kind of quiet, can you?
Maybe a padded cell, but there you go.

I'm sure they know about your little black masses.

I have never once been to a "Little black mass". I have no intention to.

I'm sorry if you find the Word of God to be offensive, friend.

You say "Friend", but I don't think you know what it means... You don't trash talk friends or call them Harlot like this.

[ImonaBoat]

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We'll see. Why not head over to the introductions section and tell us more about yourself? I would love to hear your testimony and more about yourself, seaman.



I don't know, could it? All I know is that I follow the entire Bible. I'll be praying for you.

Thank you for the prayers, I could always use a little guidance from Him.

[Mrs. Rogers]

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You know, I do read my Bible, and I notice that a lot of your bible verses come from the Old Testament.

It's refreshing to meet a young person who recognises verses from the OT! Many so-called Christians wrongly believe that the NT trumps the OT.

However, I do so love the NT -- it contains valuable advice regarding how to live one's life. For example, Christians are advised not to have non-believers over for a cup of tea, nor bid them God speed.

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[Levi Jones]

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See, The dead don't spew quite as much hate as I've seen here...

There's is no hatred here, friend. We are simply brimming with the love of the Holy Spirit. We preach as Jesus did.

Matthew 12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:27-28:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So now clothes define the person?

Dressing like a satanist and hanging out in graveyards? Of course they define you!

Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I am 19 years old, have NO intention of EVER doing drugs, Am still a virgin, and see nothing wrong with trying to defend one's self and one's beliefs.

Now, I'm not only doubting that you are a Christian, I'm starting to doubt you are a goth.

Could it be that mayhaps you have misinterpreted the Word?

No chance.

Psalm 139:23-24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

You know, I do read my Bible, and I notice that a lot of your bible verses come from the Old Testament. If you read a little further into the New testament, you'll come across This verse here:

If you read the New Testament, you will also come across these verses here.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Hebrews 12:5-8 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

I cannot think of any other places in this world to find quite the same kind of quiet, can you?

Maybe your prayer closet?

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.[/quote]

I have never once been to a "Little black mass". I have no intention to.

I believe you that you think you haven't, but that's how satan draws you in. One day it's hanging out in the graveyard, the next thing you know it's all assless chaps and glory holes. You, being in the Navy, are particularly susceptible.

You say "Friend", but I don't think you know what it means... You don't trash talk friends or call them Harlot like this.

I suppose the word harlot is not used repeatedly dozens of times in the Bible, friend?

[ImonaBoat]

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There's is no hatred here, friend. We are simply brimming with the love of the Holy Spirit. We preach as Jesus did.

That seems like a stretch...

Dressing like a satanist and hanging out in graveyards? Of course they define you!

One unfortunate wrong point to your response is that I do not hang out in graveyards. I just dont look down on those who do either.

Now, I'm not only doubting that you are a Christian, I'm starting to doubt you are a goth.

Not sure how to take this, I'll just guess that you aren't entirely on the mark about what goth is.

If you read the New Testament, you will also come across these verses here.

Be that as it may, these were all written in letters by apostles, not spoken by Christ.
before you say it, yes I know they were driven by GOD to write these letters, but I am unsure wether or not he put those exact words on their pages.

Maybe your prayer closet?

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

I prefer the proverbial prayer closet. I pray in my head as I go about my duties and chores, giving no indication that I am doing so, specifically because of how difficult it is to find privacy on board a Navy ship underway.

I believe you that you think you haven't, but that's how satan draws you in. One day it's hanging out in the graveyard, the next thing you know it's all assless chaps and glory holes. You, being in the Navy, are particularly susceptible.

So now we're going to insult the members of the Armed Forces of the United States of America with unbiased accusations of homosexuality? The ones who sacrifice lives every day to defend Freedom and Democracy around the world? Where is there any evidence of this?

Oh, and no Glory Holes for me thanks, I like the ladies.

I suppose the word harlot is not used repeatedly dozens of times in the Bible, friend?

That it is, but we are never told that we can use the word Harlot with abandon on our fellow Mankind

[GOD=life]

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I do not hang out in graveyards YET. I just dont look down on those who do either.

It's like saying "I'm not a rapist, but I condone rape and dress up in rapist clothes, but noooo... don't treat me like a rapist". It's your own choice. Maybe take a minute to figure out that choices lead to consequences.... ?

Not sure how to take this,

By stopping with a filthy in immoral lifestyle so that you can surrender to God? Just an idea from a mere Christian here..........

but I am unsure wether or not he put those exact words on their pages.

With other words: you can use your own judgment as to what God actually meant and pick and choose whatever you like and disregard what you don't. Gotcha. Typical false Christian.

specifically because of how difficult it is to find privacy on board a Navy ship underway.

Yeah, because God forbid that anyone actually sees you praying. You don't want to offend your atheist bosses, right? Nope, better to avoid persecution. Too bad for you that you're also avoiding Heaven. But you know everything better than God, right?

The ones who sacrifice lives every day to defend Freedom and Democracy around the world?

It seems pointless to sacrifice your life in some third-world hellhole when your own country is becoming a moral ruin with homosexuals, rapists, prostitutes and goths running around unchecked. Now they even have the audacity to demand the right to pretend to be real, normal people. Can you imagine that??

If God punishes you by sinking your ship, then everyone will rush to blame it on a "terrorist attack" or some technical malfunction. No one will realize it's because God hate goths.

I will pray that God provides aid to your fellow crew members so that they don't have to float around in the ocean for too long before being rescued by Christians.

[ImonaBoat]

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It's like saying "I'm not a rapist, but I condone rape and dress up in rapist clothes, but noooo... don't treat me like a rapist". It's your own choice. Maybe take a minute to figure out that choices lead to consequences.... ?

So at what point did I sat "Yet"? Putting words in my mouth as if you were God... Tsk, Tsk.
And how is it like defending/condoning rapists? Sitting under a tree that happens to be in a cemetery doesn't seem all that sinister.

By stopping with a filthy in immoral lifestyle so that you can surrender to God? Just an idea from a mere Christian here..........

Again, so clothes and music make the man? I guess I missed that memo...

With other words: you can use your own judgment as to what God actually meant and pick and choose whatever you like and disregard what you don't. Gotcha. Typical false Christian.

translating what some people say into the most extreme thing that can support their point? Kinda sounds like a lawyer, and you all know what jews are too!

Yeah, because God forbid that anyone actually sees you praying. You don't want to offend your atheist bosses, right? Nope, better to avoid persecution. Too bad for you that you're also avoiding Heaven. But you know everything better than God, right?

Actually...
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

It seems pointless to sacrifice your life in some third-world hellhole when your own country is becoming a moral ruin with homosexuals, rapists, prostitutes and goths running around unchecked. Now they even have the audacity to demand the right to pretend to be real, normal people. Can you imagine that??

That isn't my department. That's local law enforcement. If you have a problem with how your city is, take it up with them.

If God punishes you by sinking your ship, then everyone will rush to blame it on a "terrorist attack" or some technical malfunction. No one will realize it's because God hate goths.

So I see that God is willing to smite hundreds of fine upstanding people just to get little old me? Should I be flattered or mortified that I am SUCH a horrible burden on my shipmates? Wouldn't it be easier to just give me a heart attack? O, also remember that when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, God said that he would save the city if 10 good men were found therein.

I will pray that God provides aid to your fellow crew members so that they don't have to float around in the ocean for too long before being rescued by Christians.

I appreciate that you'd pray for my colleagues. It means a lot to know that while they are being prayed for, they are also doomed to die because you think I am an evil harbinger of doom.

[GOD=life]

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So at what point did I sat "Yet"?

You didn't say yet. I fixed that for you. I thought that was obvious from using a red color and extra large font size.

Sitting under a tree that happens to be in a cemetery doesn't seem all that sinister.

Then why not sit in a tree in some other place? One way or the other, you want to be near dead people. Like it's an intellectual fetish or something. LEAVE DEAD PEOPLE ALONE!

Why go after dead people who cannot defend themselves??

NOTE TO MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS: if I am buried, do NOT let goths near my grave!! It is my sincere wish that any goth who goes near my future grave to "get off" be shot. Should they die in the encounter, then please do NOT bury them in the same cemetery. Thank you.

Again, so clothes and music make the man? I guess I missed that memo...

Let's say I dress up in leather clothing and wear a T-Shirt that says "I want to have sex prepubescent boys", can you honestly blame people if they thought "that's a pedophile"??

translating what some people say into the most extreme thing that can support their point?

Can you tell me what's more extreme than being tormented in Hell for eternity? So I guess that by your reasoning, Hell cannot exist... it's extreme, after all.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

How about we also read Matthew 6:1-5? It's about people being hypocrites and using prayer to "look good", as though it's a fashion statement:

6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

I recommend you read Matthew entirely. You might also find this:

28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Or this:

Acts 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

You don't have to be ashamed to be Christian. That's the point. You just shouldn't have the "look at me, I'm a Christian!!!" attitude. That's taking glory away from God and bestowing it upon yourself.

That isn't my department. That's local law enforcement. If you have a problem with how your city is, take it up with them.

No, of course not. You're just following orders. Only problem is: in order to follow orders by secularists you have to willfully reject orders from God. The burden will be shared by us all if God punishes my country like God punished the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So I see that God is willing to smite hundreds of fine upstanding people just to get little old me?

If they let a goth serve on their ship, they really have only themselves to blame. It's very easy to blame God for things that are essentially our own fault.

You may say "hey, but that's guilt by association". Well, read some Exodus: do you think the first-born children of Egypt were responsible for the Pharaoh? And yet, they were killed by God. Obviously, God cares about whom you (are) associate(d) with.

Wouldn't it be easier to just give me a heart attack? O, also remember that when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, God said that he would save the city if 10 good men were found therein.

God doesn't work that way -- for the same reason that the people in Sodom and Gomorrah didn't just get a heart attack.

Instead, God burned all of them to death and then let them burn again by sending them to Hell.

Humans are slow learners.... we need vivid examples.

It means a lot to know that while they are being prayed for, they are also doomed to die because you think I am an evil harbinger of doom.

I cannot change God's rules, I can merely humbly ask God to be lenient. It's still up to God if or how your shipmates die.

Nothing would make me happier than to learn that they were picked up by another ship and none of them died. It would probably be a missionary ship full with Christians and they could teach your shipmates about God and the Bible.