[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Enjoying sending me your silly infractions? I suggest you learn the meaning of the word "tantrum" because I have yet to throw one. Educating you on what a Goth actually is, is far from doing so, and it is not really "debating" either. Nor is calling anyone here "lazy" for not researching something rude. If you cannot look something up yourself, then that is lazy. It is only rude to call someone that if they are not being lazy. I would assume you would want your children to do their own homework, instead of asking someone else to provide the answers. It sounds more like you do not want anyone to question the truth of your misinformation about Goths (because they'll find out it IS misinformation), and have no true desire to "save" anyone if all you want to do is send "infractions" or insult people, or dwell on aspects of my responses that should not be important to YOUR point, instead of actually replying to the things they say. Even if you refuse to acknowledge the Goth subculture is a different entity from extinct tribes or architecture, how exactly does that make the Goth scene evil or godless? There are many Christian Goths, and not being a Christian does not make someone evil nor do evil things.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Why don't you actually do some research for yourself? Oh wait. You don't know how. Sorry, I'll help you out, lazy one.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

I asked proof, not some rantings of some silly person. I like the the guessing behind the superstition though.

Stevenson saw the shortcomings of most evidence from adult cases. Focusing on the memories of very young children, he concluded that one might distinguish between "imaged" and "behavioral" memories. Although a child might have no conscious memories (imaged memories) from a former life, his interests, aptitudes, and phobias (behavioral memories) might have been formed by experiences he or she had forgotten. Perhaps reincarnation could explain features of the human personality that other theories have failed to elucidate.

Lately Stevenson has scrutinized evidence based on physical characteristics such as birthmarks and birth defects. This latest body of work, which will be published in several volumes over the next few years, Stevenson says, may tip the scales between evidence supporting reincarnation and evidence making any other conclusion difficult to sustain.

Did you even read what you posted? So, how about some evidence next.

As to who I was, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, as there is not enough evidence of the existence of my previous peoples. Nor does it really matter. It is (no longer) a belief considered acceptable by current Christian standards and, unlike some people, I do not try to try to convert anyone or shove my beliefs/religion down their throats, and yell "I'M RIGHT. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GOING TO TARTARTUS." It is rather amusing though that some of my beliefs are actually more provable than your own.

By the way, its tartarus not tartartus and no, I was not talking about Greek mythology. I was talking about hell.

Friend, it's quite obvious it's not me you are trying to convince. You are trying to convince yourself. In any case, bottom line is that you do not like people who are different than you. Fine, keep lying to yourself, but don't get so upset on people who actually care about other people, like us.

You see, if people do not convert to Christianity, they will burn in hell. That is why we need to show them the error in their ways. It's called caring. You should accept love of Jesus in your black heathen heart as well, before it's too late.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Here, glad you did your research

It would be pointless to go through each of the 2,500 anecdotes collected and try to debunk, say, the top 100. Little would be gained by such an exercise. (For an example of a debunking of the case Stevenson thought was the best in his Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation, see Leonard Angel's deconstruction of the case of Imad Elawar.) We can admit before the investigation begins that reincarnation is possible, even if we have no idea how it might occur. But even the best story could be contaminated and Stevenson's methods of collecting and validating data leave much to be desired. For example, Imad Elawar claimed that he was Mahmoud Bouhamzy, a truck driver who died of tuberculosis 25 years earlier and who had a wife called Jamilah.

http://www.skepdic.com/stevenson.html

Normally I would never go to a site like that, but your delusions would persist otherwise, as you are obviously incapable of rational thought

Yours in Christ
AM

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Why don't you actually do some research for yourself? Oh wait. You don't know how. Sorry, I'll help you out, lazy one.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

As to who I was, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, as there is not enough evidence of the existence of my previous peoples. Nor does it really matter. It is (no longer) a belief considered acceptable by current Christian standards and, unlike some people, I do not try to try to convert anyone or shove my beliefs/religion down their throats, and yell "I'M RIGHT. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GOING TO TARTARTUS." It is rather amusing though that some of my beliefs are actually more provable than your own.

Friend, you are a 'goth' and therefore, no Christian. God is going to toss you with the rest of your gothtard pot stirriers into the fires of Hell. Think about it.
You're dead
Whether due to your own disgusting sinning or the Lords divine will, you are dead. Instantly your soul begin falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.


Now, a True Christian(tm) is always right. The Holy Bible tells us so. Your book tells you how to make terrible vegetable soup.
John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Why don't you actually do some research for yourself? Oh wait. You don't know how. Sorry, I'll help you out, lazy one.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

As to who I was, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, as there is not enough evidence of the existence of my previous peoples. Nor does it really matter. It is (no longer) a belief considered acceptable by current Christian standards and, unlike some people, I do not try to try to convert anyone or shove my beliefs/religion down their throats, and yell "I'M RIGHT. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GOING TO TARTARTUS." It is rather amusing though that some of my beliefs are actually more provable than your own.

Even if reincarnation was real, it still wouldn't justify the rape and murder of innocent children. You gothics disgust me.

There is no argument you can make that will convince me to become a goth. Any lifestyle for which cannibalism and acne are a prerequisite is morally repugnant to me.

Your vicious attacks against Christ's Teachings really do go in one ear and out the other. No one here wants to burn in Hell with you. You might as well give up.

I noticed your friend chickened out. Maybe he has decided to accept Christ as his personal savior, but just can't admit publicly that he was wrong. I hope to see you in Heaven one day as well, though I know it is a long shot. I hear smoking crack out of the bones of unbaptized children is particularly addictive.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Why don't you actually do some research for yourself? Oh wait. You don't know how. Sorry, I'll help you out, lazy one.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

As to who I was, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, as there is not enough evidence of the existence of my previous peoples. Nor does it really matter. It is (no longer) a belief considered acceptable by current Christian standards and, unlike some people, I do not try to try to convert anyone or shove my beliefs/religion down their throats, and yell "I'M RIGHT. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GOING TO TARTARTUS." It is rather amusing though that some of my beliefs are actually more provable than your own.

Even the secular "scientific community thinks that guy is a crackpot. He came to his "conclusions" on LSD, probably while have sex with little boys

YiC
AM

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

So who do you imagine that yo were? If there is "a lot" then it must be easy for you to provide some.



That is THE gothic culture, it's not our fault that you are living some pale imitation of the real thing. Besides, anything that is not following the Bible 100% is evil. It's very simple, good people who follow the Bible goes to heaven. Evil people who does not follow the word of God, goes hell.

If you have a problem with that, it's really your problem.

Why don't you actually do some research for yourself? Oh wait. You don't know how. Sorry, I'll help you out, lazy one.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

As to who I was, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, as there is not enough evidence of the existence of my previous peoples. Nor does it really matter. It is (no longer) a belief considered acceptable by current Christian standards and, unlike some people, I do not try to try to convert anyone or shove my beliefs/religion down their throats, and yell "I'M RIGHT. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GOING TO TARTARTUS." It is rather amusing though that some of my beliefs are actually more provable than your own.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

So who do you imagine that yo were? If there is "a lot" then it must be easy for you to provide some.



That is THE gothic culture, it's not our fault that you are living some pale imitation of the real thing. Besides, anything that is not following the Bible 100% is evil. It's very simple, good people who follow the Bible goes to heaven. Evil people who does not follow the word of God, goes hell.

If you have a problem with that, it's really your problem.

No, that is not the Gothic culture. The Germanic tribes died out about 1200-1300 years ago. They no longer exist. There is no existing-to-date Germanic Goth culture based on the Visigoths or Ostrogoths. Nor does Gothic architecture have anything to do with said tribes, it is unrelated to the tribes except for the fact that they considered the architecture barbaric, so they titled it that. It is considered to be an incorrect term, which experts actually refuse to use. The modern Goth subculture is a subculture based on music, it does not try to imitate either the tribes nor the architectural style. Please actually research the scene, instead of relying on Wikipedia, a website known to be an inaccurate source of information where music and music scenes concerned.

And no, not following the bible to the letter is not evil. Evil would be doing horrible things that would be unthinkable had we not previously heard of them being done, with no conscience or remorse. That is not the definition of "not following the bible." Not being Christian or not following the bible to the letter, does not mean that you cannot possibly have a conscience or know right from wrong. It does not mean that one cannot be a good person. Anyone who uses a book written and mistranslated by man as their conscience and cannot tell right from wrong without it, has something seriously wrong with them. Not to mention that what you consider following the bible to the letter obviously does not make a good person anyway. Condoning murder of good people is certainly not being a good person.

Well how very interesting! Did you write a letter to your future self, have it sign, witnessed, and notarized before the last you died?



By "evidence," do you mean "I really really believe it's true! I even have some random coincidences to share with you!"



You mean the catholic churches? The ones that provided little secret rooms for the priests to take altar boys in the back and rape them while telling them this is what God's love feels like? That church? This is the culture the goths imitate, and this contradicts evil in what way again?

Dear, I can see you're all kinds of confused. What you need to do is put down the mushroom tea and pick up the Holy Bible!

By evidence, I mean that people have given distinct details during controlled past life regression experiments, details they could not possibly have known unless they were there or were experts certain fields.

And actually no, I don't think that all Gothic or Gothic revival style churches are Catholic. I've seen some on genealogy research trips that were that style and had clear signs indicating they belonged to other Christian denominations.
And I don't understand why you keep acting like Catholic priests are the only "men of god" who have been accused, arrested, or convicted of child rape or molestation when this is not the case. Nor do I understand why a group claiming to be so against those things seem to think and dwell on them so much.

Modern Goths are not emulating architecture (I'm not sure how anyone can even do that), or Catholics. Modern Goth is a genre of music and subculture built around that music. The only thing Goths as a subculture all truly emulate or try to imitate is the members of the bands themselves in fashion, and if they have any desire to make music, the sound itself.

You know nothing about your little self-described "sub-culture" or is origins. Bereft of any originality, they did borrow heavily from gothic traditions that continued on into the 19th Century. Go back and study it before you come here and make such baseless assertions and post your drivel.

As I said, stop doing your research by being lazy and typing in "Wikipedia.org." It is not a very credible source concerning music.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Myself. And there has been a lot of evidence to support the theory of reincarnation due to past-life regression.

The Germanic tribes have absolutely nothing to do with the modern Goth subculture, and they died out approximately 1000-1200 years ago. Gothic architecture has little to do with the modern subculture either, except where it is used as album art or in Goth photography/modeling. Living in a Gothic house or liking Gothic architecture does not make one Goth. The only living Goths are the modern definition, which is a fan of Goth music. And considering Gothic architecture was used for churches, and considering the Goth tribes were Christian, if you insist they have some baring on the modern scene even though they do not, it contradicts any arguments as to the evilness of Goths.

You know nothing about your little self-described "sub-culture" or is origins. Bereft of any originality, they did indeed borrow heavily from gothic traditions that continued on into the 19th Century. Go back and study it before you come here and make such baseless assertions and post your drivel.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Myself.

Well how very interesting! Did you write a letter to your future self, have it sign, witnessed, and notarized before the last you died?

And there has been a lot of evidence to support the theory of reincarnation due to past-life regression.

By "evidence," do you mean "I really really believe it's true! I even have some random coincidences to share with you!"

And considering Gothic architecture was used for churches, and considering the Goth tribes were Christian, if you insist they have some baring on the modern scene even though they do not, it contradicts any arguments as to the evilness of Goths.

You mean the catholic churches? The ones that provided little secret rooms for the priests to take altar boys in the back and rape them while telling them this is what God's love feels like? That church? This is the culture the goths imitate, and this contradicts evil in what way again?

Dear, I can see you're all kinds of confused. What you need to do is put down the mushroom tea and pick up the Holy Bible!

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Myself. And there has been a lot of evidence to support the theory of reincarnation due to past-life regression.

So who do you imagine that yo were? If there is "a lot" then it must be easy for you to provide some.

The Germanic tribes have absolutely nothing to do with the modern Goth subculture, and they died out approximately 1000-1200 years ago. Gothic architecture has little to do with the modern subculture either, except where it is used as album art or in Goth photography/modeling. Living in a Gothic house or liking Gothic architecture does not make one Goth. The only living Goths are the modern definition, which is a fan of Goth music. And considering Gothic architecture was used for churches, and considering the Goth tribes were Christian, if you insist they have some baring on the modern scene even though they do not, it contradicts any arguments as to the evilness of Goths.

That is THE gothic culture, it's not our fault that you are living some pale imitation of the real thing. Besides, anything that is not following the Bible 100% is evil. It's very simple, good people who follow the Bible goes to heaven. Evil people who does not follow the word of God, goes hell.

If you have a problem with that, it's really your problem.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

So you know this, then you must have good evidence for it. Can you name any person without a doubt that has reincarnated?



Don't be silly, goths populated northern parts of europe over well over 1000 years before Hitler's time. How about Gothic architecture then? That fad took over europe about 700 years before Hitler was born. You seem to know very little about goths and gothic.

Myself. And there has been a lot of evidence to support the theory of reincarnation due to past-life regression.

The Germanic tribes have absolutely nothing to do with the modern Goth subculture, and they died out approximately 1000-1200 years ago. Gothic architecture has little to do with the modern subculture either, except where it is used as album art or in Goth photography/modeling. Living in a Gothic house or liking Gothic architecture does not make one Goth. The only living Goths are the modern definition, which is a fan of Goth music. And considering Gothic architecture was used for churches, and considering the Goth tribes were Christian, if you insist they have some baring on the modern scene even though they do not, it contradicts any arguments as to the evilness of Goths.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I already know that reincarnation exists.

So you know this, then you must have good evidence for it. Can you name any person without a doubt that has reincarnated?

Goth music and the subculture did not even exist until after Hitler died, so that is rather impossible.

Don't be silly, goths populated northern parts of europe over well over 1000 years before Hitler's time. How about Gothic architecture then? That fad took over europe about 700 years before Hitler was born. You seem to know very little about goths and gothic.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

In over 17 years of counseling, not a ONE has ever turned to Jesus.

Maybe because some Goths already have their own beliefs, and others are already Christian. The genre of music you listen to and the clothes you wear do not dictate what religion you follow or believe in. I know perfectly well that you would call my boyfriend a Goth when he is a Metalhead, and he is a Christian.

Is it your right to teach pale-skinned, ugly, fat, rejected 13-year-old girls with emotional problems how to masturbate and further withdraw from society in an ongoing demonic-induced depression? Is it ok to teach girls to sleep in the day with blacked-out windows and be up all night?

You disgust me.

Pastor Ed

It disgusts me that you try to have an argument with me, yet either disregard or refuse to even read the majority of what I post. It disgusts me that you have never researched the Goth scene, yet continue with these misguided, ignorant, and incorrect judgements. Not all Goths are pale skinned, most are pretty models, most do not have mental problems (and there are no more within the scene than without), and no Goth tries to teach any teenager anything except what the Goth scene really is because we do not want them to go down the path you are accusing Goths of following. There is nothing wrong with sleeping in all day and being up all night. In case you haven't noticed, many people, including Christians, work night jobs. And I would much rather be out at night than during the day in summer the last couple of years, considering a good portion of summer has been under a heat advisory warning during the daytime, and everyone needs to be exposed to fresh air and exercise. However, no Goth teachers their children to sleep in all day and stay up all night. My child has a bedtime of 9 PM. He is often taken to the park or a playground DURING THE DAY, and will be starting pre-school this month. It would be really stupid and impractical for him to be up all night. Not to mention that, allow I am Pagan, my son has been allowed to attend bible school with his cousin's because I have no problem with him learning about Christianity. So long as he is taught by decent proper Christians and not bigoted backwards fools. I certainly have no problem with him learning bible stories, the bible is a nice collection of mythology.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

And it is our right to choose that lifestyle. Just as it is your right to yours. There is nothing to said lifestyle other than listening to music, hanging out with like minded individuals, going to clubs and dancing, and wearing fashion popularized by Goth bands. There is nothing evil about it, and you have no good reason to attack or MURDER someone simply because they listen to music you do not like or approve of.

Goth does not equal homosexual. There are many straight Goths. Goth is a GENRE OF MUSIC AND A FAN OF SAID MUSIC. The only way to no longer be a Goth, is to no longer like the music. And if one truly likes a genre of music, they rarely cease to do so.

Is it your right to teach pale-skinned, ugly, fat, rejected 13-year-old girls with emotional problems how to masturbate and further withdraw from society in an ongoing demonic-induced depression? Is it ok to teach girls to sleep in the day with blacked-out windows and be up all night?

You disgust me.

Pastor Ed