[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Don't worry. You'll become a believer fast enough. It will simply be too late by then (Luke 12:4-5; 16:19-31; Jude 7). You'll wish for the pain of having that coat hanger stuck up inside you, but it will be the flames of Hell instead.

Pastor Ed

Is that supposed to scare me? I AM a believer in MY religion. I already know that reincarnation exists. Why would I be afraid of your hell? I'm sorry, but I have no intention of ever converting to a religion I do not believe in, that has done very little that has not been in hate and violence, and that has a conceited god who would condemn a good person simply because they do not believe. At least Pagan gods admit they are fickle.

Adolf Hitler was a goth.

Goth music and the subculture did not even exist until after Hitler died, so that is rather impossible.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Brother, I am through trying to save the unsaved garbage in this thread. Let's get back on topic. Have you ever heard of an ex-goth? I don't believe there has ever been a goth that repented and became straight.

In over 17 years of counseling, not a ONE has ever turned to Jesus.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

It is your lifestyle choice to be yourself instead of obeying Jesus. Every time you don the regalia of evil, you choose to be bullied.

And it is our right to choose that lifestyle. Just as it is your right to yours. There is nothing to said lifestyle other than listening to music, hanging out with like minded individuals, going to clubs and dancing, and wearing fashion popularized by Goth bands. There is nothing evil about it, and you have no good reason to attack or MURDER someone simply because they listen to music you do not like or approve of.

Brother, I am through trying to save the unsaved garbage in this thread. Let's get back on topic. Have you ever heard of an ex-goth? I don't believe there has ever been a goth that repented and became straight.

Goth does not equal homosexual. There are many straight Goths. Goth is a GENRE OF MUSIC AND A FAN OF SAID MUSIC. The only way to no longer be a Goth, is to no longer like the music. And if one truly likes a genre of music, they rarely cease to do so.

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

None of this is an adequate justification for abortion.

Bragging about your sexual conquests just makes you look like a whore, but I guess that's why you wear black too.

You still haven't responded to my question: why are you defending the Catholic Church and protecting rapists?

Who said anything about abortion? What makes you think Goths commonly practice abortion? I assure you, many Goths have children and have never had an abortion. The ones who are sexually active usually practice safe sex. And why should I care what you think of abortion anyway? I am pro choice and there is nothing wrong with that. I would not ever have an abortion, but I firmly believe that a woman who is raped should not be forced to carry her rapists children for 9 months. And since you apparently support GodhatesGoths.com, which claims that Goths are given handicapped and mentally ill demon children who do not deserve to live, why should you be against Goths having abortions anyway?

No one is bragging about anything. Do you even know what the word bragging means? Do you even know how to understand a point? I was pointing out to you that I do not have sex, or put, anything man-made in my uterus, and obviously never have put anything that could damage it in it or I would not have been able to have a child. Having sex with someone you love is not being a whore. Please learn the meaning of the word. I have never accepted payment for sex. As a matter of fact, my boyfriend and I were betrothed, which in god's and the church's eyes was always as good as married and many people throughout history have "anticipated their wedding night" so long as they were betrothed. So while by LEGAL STANDARDS we are not married, by CHRISTIAN and YOUR DEITIES standards we ARE.

As to wearing black, so what? The Amish wear black. Priests, nuns, business, high school principals, etc., wear black. Goths actually wear a VARIETY OF COLOURS, which would you also know had you properly researched the scene.

Where have I defended the Catholic church? No one has defended the Catholic church. Can't you lay claim to any basic reading comprehension skills? I simply pointed out that your religion has been contradictory. Goths do not protect rapists or anyone who commits horrible atrocities or crimes. Nor do most modern Pagans.

[xbt---]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Your attempts to make the Bible appear contradictory are an utter failure.

On the contrary, the Bible is not contradictory. I am no one. Jesus Christ is God.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Maybe that person is misguideded, but Jesus instructs us to reply in love, not in hate or spite or condemnation.

2 Timothy 4:2
"Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching."

Romans 14:1
"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions"

Romans 16:17
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them"

Hebrews 10:24
"And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works"

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Your attempts to make the Bible appear contradictory are an utter failure.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Don't worry. You'll become a believer fast enough. It will simply be too late by then (Luke 12:4-5; 16:19-31; Jude 7). You'll wish for the pain of having that coat hanger stuck up inside you, but it will be the flames of Hell instead.

Pastor Ed

Brother, I am through trying to save the unsaved garbage in this thread. Let's get back on topic. Have you ever heard of an ex-goth? I don't believe there has ever been a goth that repented and became straight.

[xbt---]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

None of this is an adequate justification for abortion.

Bragging about your sexual conquests just makes you look like a whore, but I guess that's why you wear black too.

You still haven't responded to my question: why are you defending the Catholic Church and protecting rapists?

Maybe that person is misguideded, but Jesus instructs us to reply in love, not in hate or spite or condemnation.

2 Timothy 4:2
"Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching."

Romans 14:1
"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions"

Romans 16:17
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them"

Hebrews 10:24
"And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works"

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

No one is defending child rape, though you seem oddly interested in the subject and think of it often for people claiming to be so against it.

The Catholics are not the only denomination of Christianity that has had priests arrested for molesting or raping children. I have only ever met, or heard of, one Goth who has supposedly molested children. To my knowledge, this is just a rumour, but everyone who has heard it would avoid him if they saw him, but according to this rumour he is also in jail, as he should be if it's true. There are sick-minded mentally ill INDIVIDUALS in every religion and every group. But for the most part, Goths are not responsible for any of the things you claim they are, and do not do the majority of the things you claim they do. No one is defending child rape, people have simply pointed out this is extremely uncommon within the real Goth scene.

Adolf Hitler was a goth.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

As I said, why don't you come up with a response that is not childish? Why don't you actually reply to my first post? Oh wait. I already know the answer. You have never properly researched the Goth scene and know nothing about it, so you know not what to say in response. Please come again.

Also, I have never heard of ANYONE doing a thing like that. And I have heard A LOT of disgusting things in my time. If you had read my first post, you would know I have a four year old child. If someone stuck a coat hanger in their uterus, they would probably badly damage it and thus not be able to procreate. The only thing or person I have sex with is my (Christian) boyfriend. Oh the blasphemy! A god I do not believe in will condemn me to a hell I don't believe in! And probably my boyfriend too, regardless of whether we are good people or not, for daring to mate with a Pagan at all, let alone outside the bounds of marriage! And oh how conceited your god is, if he would condemn a good person to hell for not doing all that he commands!

Speaking the truth does not spit in anyone's face, Christian deity or otherwise. Not that one can spit in the face of a dead man who, faith aside, for all you know could have actually been capable of these "miracles" because he might have actually been a witch, as many Pagans believe. Though I myself think he was just a man.

Don't worry. You'll become a believer fast enough. It will simply be too late by then (Luke 12:4-5; 16:19-31; Jude 7). You'll wish for the pain of having that coat hanger stuck up inside you, but it will be the flames of Hell instead.

Pastor Ed

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

The "Church" you speak of is the Catholic Cult of Whoredoms. They give Christianity a bad name by raping children, wearing skirts, and burning incense like a damned goth. We are not Catholics.

Why are you defending child rape?

No one is defending child rape, though you seem oddly interested in the subject and think of it often for people claiming to be so against it.

The Catholics are not the only denomination of Christianity that has had priests arrested for molesting or raping children. I have only ever met, or heard of, one Goth who has supposedly molested children. To my knowledge, this is just a rumour, but everyone who has heard it would avoid him if they saw him, but according to this rumour he is also in jail, as he should be if it's true. There are sick-minded mentally ill INDIVIDUALS in every religion and every group. But for the most part, Goths are not responsible for any of the things you claim they are, and do not do the majority of the things you claim they do. No one is defending child rape, people have simply pointed out this is extremely uncommon within the real Goth scene.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

As I said, why don't you come up with a response that is not childish? Why don't you actually reply to my first post? Oh wait. I already know the answer. You have never properly researched the Goth scene and know nothing about it, so you know not what to say in response. Please come again.

Also, I have never heard of ANYONE doing a thing like that. And I have heard A LOT of disgusting things in my time. If you had read my first post, you would know I have a four year old child. If someone stuck a coat hanger in their uterus, they would probably badly damage it and thus not be able to procreate. The only thing or person I have sex with is my (Christian) boyfriend. Oh the blasphemy! A god I do not believe in will condemn me to a hell I don't believe in! And probably my boyfriend too, regardless of whether we are good people or not, for daring to mate with a Pagan at all, let alone outside the bounds of marriage! And oh how conceited your god is, if he would condemn a good person to hell for not doing all that he commands!

Speaking the truth does not spit in anyone's face, Christian deity or otherwise. Not that one can spit in the face of a dead man who, faith aside, for all you know could have actually been capable of these "miracles" because he might have actually been a witch, as many Pagans believe. Though I myself think he was just a man.

None of this is an adequate justification for abortion.

Bragging about your sexual conquests just makes you look like a whore, but I guess that's why you wear black too.

You still haven't responded to my question: why are you defending the Catholic Church and protecting rapists?

[fatuglywhoreofravensrock]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Every time you stick a coat hanger in your semen coated uterus, you murder an unborn child. And every time you deny it, you spit in Christ's holy face.

As I said, why don't you come up with a response that is not childish? Why don't you actually reply to my first post? Oh wait. I already know the answer. You have never properly researched the Goth scene and know nothing about it, so you know not what to say in response. Please come again.

Also, I have never heard of ANYONE doing a thing like that. And I have heard A LOT of disgusting things in my time. If you had read my first post, you would know I have a four year old child. If someone stuck a coat hanger in their uterus, they would probably badly damage it and thus not be able to procreate. The only thing or person I have sex with is my (Christian) boyfriend. Oh the blasphemy! A god I do not believe in will condemn me to a hell I don't believe in! And probably my boyfriend too, regardless of whether we are good people or not, for daring to mate with a Pagan at all, let alone outside the bounds of marriage! And oh how conceited your god is, if he would condemn a good person to hell for not doing all that he commands!

Speaking the truth does not spit in anyone's face, Christian deity or otherwise. Not that one can spit in the face of a dead man who, faith aside, for all you know could have actually been capable of these "miracles" because he might have actually been a witch, as many Pagans believe. Though I myself think he was just a man.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Luke 6:37
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"

Romans 14:4
"Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another?"



It's true that the church has in the past taught many lies. That's why it is so important to read and memorize the Bible, so you can know what is true and what is a lie.

But we should focus on the present and our future, not on the shortcomings of the church's past. We should focus only on what is wholesome and good; and arguing about the church's and people's shortcomings is contrary to what the Bible instructs us.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Cherry picking will not save your immortal soul.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Actually, the church itself gives Christianity a bad name. It was the church who once taught that people were reincarnated so many times before they could go to heaven. They stopped teaching this only because people decided they did not need to listen to the church because they would have another chance. The church also taught that sex was only for procreation, and not to be enjoyed even within the bounds of marriage. While also claiming that a woman who became pregnant after rape sinned by enjoying it because a woman can only conceive if she has an orgasm. So who is contradictory now?

The "Church" you speak of is the Catholic Cult of Whoredoms. They give Christianity a bad name by raping children, wearing skirts, and burning incense like a damned goth. We are not Catholics.

Why are you defending child rape?