[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I'd have to agree with the woman you're arguing with.

What are Bauhaus? UK Decay? Sex Gang Children? Paralysed Age? Sisters of Mercy? Garden of Delight? Merciful Nuns? Elusive? Scarecrow (NY)? Asmodi Bizarr? Specimen? 13th Chime?

Goth Rock has nothing to do with bagpipes or hurdy gurdies. That is Folk Rock.

Friend, we do not care if you agree with anyone. The only opinion that matters is Gods. You show me where in the KJV Bible it tells us Goth is good.

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Friend, we do not care if you agree with anyone. The only opinion that matters is Gods. You show me where in the KJV Bible it tells us Goth is good.

The bible does not mention Goth at all. Nor do I care what the bible says about it. I am a druidess. And I never said it was good by Christian standards or good at all. I said it's no more dangerous than anything else, and asked if you would please look up what Goth is because you are basing your list on things that are not necessarily traits of Goths. The only thing all Goths have in common is their love of Goth Rock.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

The bible does not mention Goth at all. ....

Goth - 0
God - 1

Another win for Jesus!

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goth - 0
God - 1

Another win for Jesus!

Goth Rock was invented centuries after the bible. Of course it's not going to be in there. My point is, what your list says about Goth is not based on the bible, it's based on misconceptions and bad research (a lot of which is not even about Goth and makes no mention of any Goth Rock bands or clubs).

I think you owe peace-abiding Goths an apology for associating them with murderers, rapists, and child molesters.

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

1-Frequently wears black clothing.


Skinny Goths in colour.

http://www.fotos.sc/img2/u/eisenhansel/h/Gotik__Leipzig_copy1.jpg

http://www.shout.ru/images/phocagallery/festivals/18-wave-gotik-treffen-festival-2009-leipzig/visitors_wave_gotik_treffen_festival_2009_leipzig/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_visitors_wave_gotik_treffen_festival_2009_leipzig_36.jpg

http://www.adeenidesigngroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gala-nocturna-2011Antwerp.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6803483100_04fe35a7b3_b.jpg

"6-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music.
(Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against
the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)"

Sounds very different from Marilyn Manson, who are not a Goth band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWvOHT0zfXY

"8-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the
Bible, prayer, church or sports."

Sports? Like violent football?

"9-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult,
witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan."

If these things are all relative to Satan, why would you object to someone being a fan of movies, which showcase the power of good over evil and the church over vampires?

"10-Takes drugs."

Most Goths do not take drugs, but if you have a teenager into drugs then yes, I would worry.

"12-Is suicidal and/or depressed."

If all Goths are suicidal, how do they live to be in their 50s?

"17-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)"

Over-exposure to the sun is unhealthy. Goths are not anti-sunlight, they're anti-skin cancer.

"20-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child
may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)"

Wouldn't you request time alone to pray or work on home work?

"22-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders
are but a few examples of this."

Was I mistaken? I thought I saw a few members of your church post that Catholicism is evil. So why would you want us recognizing the authority of nuns?

"26-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and
should be stopped immediately.)"

This act is NOT dangerous if done correctly.

"27-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)"

Because only Goths watch cable television?

"30-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music."

You are confusing Metal with Goth. Most Goth music is not fast enough to shake your head too.

And if you are reffering to the symbol Dio made a trend, wasn't that something his grandmother showed him to ward off demons?

"35-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism,
Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism"

Witchcraft is only dangerous if you are a dabbler and do not study it properly,
or you chose to go down the left-hand path.

Other than depression and suicide/self-harm, none of these are a sign of mental health problems. Very few of the things on your list are even dangerous to your health, mental ill (unless you are already mentally ill), or dangerous physically.

Some members of the Baltimore Goth scene are in fact members of the House of Karfax. They consider themselves to be a group of modern knights, championing abused women, children, etc., and helping to protect anyone who deserves/needs protection.

Here is a clear example showing we are not all for the things you claim.

"Baltimore Armored Ball

January 16 near Baltimore

Hey guys and gals, I need to make an uncomfortable post for a moment as something has come to our attention, so bear with me.

We have been informed by several of our female patrons that a group of people involved with another event have been targeting them based on their pictures from our Armored Ball events and our HEX at Club Orpheus events. It is my belief, and because of the messages I have been shown by people, that this group is engaging in unsafe and unsanitary practices, including promoting the exchange of bodily fluids, including blood, questionably legal fetishes, and other unsavory forms of 'entertainment'. I want to apologize if you or one of your friends has been messaged or contacted by this group or someone representing them due to your presence as one of our friends. The photos are for fun and not for other groups of unsavory repute to target people who enjoy our events and feel safe coming to them. If you have been targeted, please let us know so we can block the people taking advantage of our public presence and block them so they do not endanger anyone in the future.

Thanks guys,
Nyxian + friends."

Notice that the manager of Club Orpheus is asking people to report the people involved in "unsafe and unsanitary practices, including promoting the exchange of bodily fluids, including blood, questionably legal fetishes, and other unsavory forms of 'entertainment'. so that they can be banned from his events and facebook page.

Here is one of the letters addressing another matter.

"
Nyxian Hollow

September 7, 2012 near Baltimore

I want to thank Mike and the rest of House Nurgle right now for communicating with me about recent events..

As some of you know, we have been having our issues involving a case of domestic abuse and how it was treated. I now know that the members of House Nurgle in Darkon have been in the dark about things and as enraged as we were about this incident. The person who had caused this assault had a select number of close friends whom, due to loyalty or disbelief, attempted to pull damage control to get someone they considered family out of the crossfire in the wake of this young lady's legal action. For Hannah's (and a few others') safety, we had to do everything in our power to remove the threat of a manipulator who used to the trust of his friends to both locate this girl and perhaps escape legal action.

That said, I have communicated with Nurgle. Now that a few misconceptions are cleared, I want to personally thank every member of that house whom has stood by Hannah Hoffman even when the heat was up. I know now that they are personally doing everything in their power to protect her and weed out any POSSIBILITY of this thing occurring again. Any other decisions in the wake of that are moot in my eyes, and it's clear that we are all on the same side. As they have stated, they are a country of honorable men and women who were as hurt and confused as the rest of this incredibly random and terrible event. For any hurt feelings provoked by my decisions, which were caused by a knowledge of information gained from the authorities and unknown to the leadership of Nurgle, and misinformation from the attacker himself spread both to Hannah and his friends in an attempt to save his own ass, I formally apologize to you guys.

That stated, I know now that our two groups are of like-mind and our main concern is to provide a safe and fun environment to our brothers and sisters, some of whom consider both social groups home.

With that intention now known, I want to formally not only lift the Ban on House Nurgle from the Baltimore Armored Ball and related events, but also to happily accept the assistance and comradery of the many good and noble members of that Country (and other Countries) in the game to stand up against this kind of thing in the future from happening. We will back you if a situation like this, or any other situation involving Bad Things, occurs and anyone, girls or guys, needs help. We vow to communicate and make sure the Community itself is made to be unfriendly to abusers, rapists and predators on our end, as you guys are yourselves working so hard to do on yours.

You guys have my sincerest regret and apologies that we did not come to a working communication earlier for a greater cause - and if there was any personal action made by any person in any community that used manipulation to prevent that communication, no amount of time will protect you from the fire that will appear beneath your ass when it comes to light. I think I speak for both Karfax and Nurgle House on that one.

Thanks and safe travels,
Nyxian Hollow — with Aenigma Teufelhund and 10 others."

One more article

"Nyxian Hollow

August 21, 2012

We will be starting a charity food drive at the next Baltimore Armored Ball on the 27th of October. With such a good group of people who value giving back to the community, and with it so close to Thanksgiving, we wanted to contribute somet
hing meaningful since we are in a position to do so and help people. We will be accepting canned or dry goods, whatever you feel like contributing, and these will be donated to an org
anization for battered & homeless women and children (Probably the Bea Gaddy foundation) right here in Baltimore. More info coming on this, and I will be posting reminders so people who might want to support that can get the chance to hear about it.

Let us know if you plan on donating something, especially if it is a large amount. We were thinking simply, if 25 people bring 5 cans of food, that's a LOT of food. If 150 people bring 5 cans of food, then we are making a great difference in a lot of lives.

***If you want to support the Ball and the Food Drive, please SHARE this event and invite your friends who might be interested. This is important and we appreciate it you taking a bit of time out of your day to do so. ***"

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Thank you for your flimsy explainations and excuses.

You are going to Hell. I'm sorry, but it is just so obvious.

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Thank you for your flimsy explainations and excuses.

You are going to Hell. I'm sorry, but it is just so obvious.

I am a druidess. I do not believe in your mythological places. Thank you for your irrelevant comment, which has nothing to do with the Goth subculture.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am a druidess. I do not believe in your mythological places. Thank you for your irrelevant comment, which has nothing to do with the Goth subculture.

If you're a druid then I'm flipping oysterburgers for the King of Spain.

1 Samuel 15:23 “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.”

Sin is rebellion. Anyone who uses his free will to choose to remain in sin is a practicing witch. According to God's Holy Word, you are nothing but a witch.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am a druidess. I do not believe in your mythological places. Thank you for your irrelevant comment, which has nothing to do with the Goth subculture.

And what, pray tell, does a Druidess do?

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

If you're a druid then I'm flipping oysterburgers for the King of Spain.



Sin is rebellion. Anyone who uses his free will to choose to remain in sin is a practicing witch. According to God's Holy Word, you are nothing but a witch.

That's fine. Druids are technically witches. Nor do druids believe in the concept of sin. Although really, rebellion itself is not witchcraft. Witchcraft is the practice of spells and incantations, which all Pagan religions are considered to do. You can rebel on many things. Your bible is clearly talking about rebelling against Christianity, not rebelling in general. Technically Christianity in itself was a rebellion against Paganism.

And what, pray tell, does a Druidess do?

Follow the Druid/Irish Celtic religion and follow Brehon law.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

That's fine. Druids are technically witches. Nor do druids believe in the concept of sin. Although really, rebellion itself is not witchcraft. Witchcraft is the practice of spells and incantations, which all Pagan religions are considered to do. You can rebel on many things. Your bible is clearly talking about rebelling against Christianity, not rebelling in general. Technically Christianity in itself was a rebellion against Paganism.



Follow the Druid/Irish Celtic religion and follow Brehon law.

If I were to take a cake and slice it into wedges, each piece would still be a part of the whole, and also, more importantly each would still be cake.

This would be the same if I cut cubes, hexagons, rhombi, or into the shape of Nelson Mandela's face.

Cake will remain cake.

Now substitute satanism, for cake, and false religions for the pieces, and you can see our impasse.

Please come to Jesus, we have pie.

God Bless
DAM

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Did anyone say this, yet?

"You are a godless goth."

It's time to throw out all of your black eyeliner and stupid goth lingerie.

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

If I were to take a cake and slice it into wedges, each piece would still be a part of the whole, and also, more importantly each would still be cake.

This would be the same if I cut cubes, hexagons, rhombi, or into the shape of Nelson Mandela's face.

Cake will remain cake.

Now substitute satanism, for cake, and false religions for the pieces, and you can see our impasse.

Please come to Jesus, we have pie.

God Bless
DAM

No, I do not see anything of the sort. Goth is music not religion. There are Goths of all religions and faiths. A witch is not the same thing as a Goth.

Did anyone say this, yet?

"You are a godless goth."

It's time to throw out all of your black eyeliner and stupid goth lingerie.

I'm not godless. In fact, I worship more gods than you. You are the one lacking in gods. And the fact that I worship other gods has nothing to do with my being Goth. I'm Goth because I like the music, I am a Druid because it is my heritage and it is what I believe.

I don't own any black eye liner. And I'll keep my lingerie thanks. Why does it bother you? Are you afraid of women looking sexy? If you are so Christian and without sin, you should not be able to be tempted by women in lingerie. Do not blame women if you choose to surf the internet looking for pictures of them in lingerie. The fault lies within yourself.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

No, I do not see anything of the sort. Goth is music not religion. There are Goths of all religions and faiths. A witch is not the same thing as a Goth.

Wait.... Didn't you just say you were a goth witch? somethings not adding up here .

Oh yeah, you're being duplicitous

I'm not godless. In fact, I worship more gods than you. You are the one lacking in gods. And the fact that I worship other gods has nothing to do with my being Goth. I'm Goth because I like the music, I am a Druid because it is my heritage and it is what I believe.

I'll bet your heritage has very little to do with druidism. Being that they were an iron age, pagan priest religion from Godless britain, ireland, gaul, and other sheep molesting areas in europistan who left no written records of their existence. Heritage is something that can be traced, as well as traditions and customs which are passed down generationally.

Since there is a 2500yr gap in your "heritage", you're basically just making stuff up.


So yes, you are in fact Godless

God Bless
DAM

[Barbariana(aka fatuglywhoreofravensock)]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Wait.... Didn't you just say you were a goth witch? somethings not adding up here .

Oh yeah, you're being duplicitous





I'll bet your heritage has very little to do with druidism. Being that they were an iron age, pagan priest religion from Godless britain, ireland, gaul, and other sheep molesting areas in europistan who left no written records of their existence. Heritage is something that can be traced, as well as traditions and customs which are passed down generationally.

Since there is a 2500yr gap in your "heritage", you're basically just making stuff up.


So yes, you are in fact Godless

God Bless
DAM

I said I'm a Goth AND a witch.

They are two separate things. I have explained this very clearly. I am a fan of Goth Rock, so I am a Goth. And I am a Druid.

Actually, I am a descendent of the Ard Ri Brian Boru, through his grandson Muirchertach ua briain, and Muirchertach's daughter's marriage to Arnulf de Montgomerie. I am also a descendent of the Pfannebeckers, who originally came entered the Netherlands through Gaul.

Also, the druids were still active in Ireland during Brian Boru's reign, as well as during the reign of his son. Which was not 2500 years ago.