[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

When did we say that?

And since when do guests decide when threads on our Forum are finished?

Your "goth" music gives the impression of evil. That in itself, according to Paul, is enough for us to condemn it.

I assumed that you were done since you gave no further input of substance. It doesn't matter if it is the impression of evil; not that it is, you wouldn't listen to the explanation anyway, but you have said nothing that would prove that Goths have anything in common other than music. Since you do not disagree with me on that, you can only agree or you can be neutral, if you're neutral you should only be asking questions to inform yourself better, and if you agree then we there is no reason to continue, that is how arguments work ... so we're done until the next crazy kid comes along and doesn't find this sufficient.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

It doesn't matter if it is the impression of evil;

1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

What part of that is unclear?

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I assumed that you were done since you gave no further input of substance. It doesn't matter if it is the impression of evil; not that it is, you wouldn't listen to the explanation anyway, but you have said nothing that would prove that Goths have anything in common other than music. Since you do not disagree with me on that, you can only agree or you can be neutral, if you're neutral you should only be asking questions to inform yourself better, and if you agree then we there is no reason to continue, that is how arguments work ... so we're done until the next crazy kid comes along and doesn't find this sufficient.

Frankly, I was expecting something more erudite and illuminating on the subject from you. Instead what we got was something akin to whether one prefers anchovies and green peppers on our pizza, which by any standard is not substantive. There is a great deal of in depth wisdom on this Godly forum concerning "Goth" music and its origins. Should you wish to discuss this subject in more detail you might wish to do some reading first. For starters might I suggest you use the "search" function and review some threads by one with the name of "Wrong Again Floyd".

For the moment, your arrogant dismissal only betrays your ignorance of the subject.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Frankly, I was expecting something more erudite and illuminating on the subject from you. Instead what we got was something akin to whether one prefers anchovies and green peppers on our pizza, which by any standard is not substantive. There is a great deal of in depth wisdom on this Godly forum concerning "Goth" music and its origins. Should you wish to discuss this subject in more detail you might wish to do some reading first. For starters might I suggest you use the "search" function and review some threads by one with the name of "Wrong Again Floyd".

For the moment, your arrogant dismissal only betrays your ignorance of the subject.

And I expected you to be able to follow the subject. This is NOT about whether Goth music is 'evil', this is NOT about whether Goths are 'Hellbound'. You accused all Goths of being homosexuals, satanists, pedophiles, witches/vampires, drug addicts, alcoholics, suicidal/depressed, disrespectful, violent, murderous, and dangerous, but have proven none of these accusations to be true for ALL Goths. Why? Most of those were just made up to get attention to the subject. You know nothing of the Goth subculture, you know nothing about Goth music.

However I will enlighten you (keep in mind this is just the common theme):
The Goth subculture is roughly comparable to romanticisms, placing large emphasis on art, literature, and music. The subculture is highly geared toward individualism, the effect of which is a notion of acceptance and tolerance.

Music/Art/Literature:
Goth came from punk and therefor share the theme of nonconformity. Unlike punk though goth is more geared to defying social norms rather than political. Goth music, rather than directly criticizing, focuses on 'dark' themes for imagery of certain social norms.
(the idea is generally the same behind Art and Literature, the format/presentation just differs).

Magic:
Only a hand full of Goths actually practice magic, and fewer actually believe in it. The practice of magic can also be viewed therapeutically, much like meditation or prayer.

Cutting:
Goth is not the only subculture that this is frequently associated with, actually it could now just be associated with youthes in general. However the common misconception about cutting is that it is for attention, some have adopt in that for that effect, but that is a very new adaptation to it. More fundamentally, there are people that have certain abnormalities in the exchange or interpretations of chemicals/signals in the brain. Schizophrenia is the result of a nicotine like substance not being produced or received by certain parts of the brain. Many Schizophrenics therefor smoke. It is possible that cutting is a way for someone, with an abnormality, to stimulate the production of chemicals like adrenalin to correct the abnormality.

Clothes and Make-up:
cliche', but it's a nonconformist sort of thing.

I'd suggest Voltaire's book What is Goth to broaden your mind a bit on the subject.
And that would be all I have time for right now.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

And I expected you to be able to follow the subject. This is NOT about whether Goth music is 'evil', this is NOT about whether Goths are 'Hellbound'. You accused all Goths of being homosexuals, satanists, pedophiles, witches/vampires, drug addicts, alcoholics, suicidal/depressed, disrespectful, violent, murderous, and dangerous, but have proven none of these accusations to be true for ALL Goths. Why? Most of those were just made up to get attention to the subject. You know nothing of the Goth subculture, you know nothing about Goth music.

We know what goth "music" is about:
Killing yourself and/or being miserable in any perceivable way..
And it glorifes sin too!

The subculture is highly geared toward individualism

Yes, of course it is..
And you show how unique and individualistic you are by all dressing the same, engaging in the same lifestyle, and listening to the same kind of music!

Magic:
Only a hand full of Goths actually practice magic, and fewer actually believe in it. The practice of magic can also be viewed therapeutically, much like meditation or prayer.

No. Whatever it is real or not, magic is REBELLION against God, it is an attempt to cause miracles or similar without the aid of God.
The attempt is the sin, not the result.

Cutting:
Goth is not the only subculture that this is frequently associated with, actually it could now just be associated with youthes in general. However the common misconception about cutting is that it is for attention, some have adopt in that for that effect, but that is a very new adaptation to it. More fundamentally, there are people that have certain abnormalities in the exchange or interpretations of chemicals/signals in the brain. Schizophrenia is the result of a nicotine like substance not being produced or received by certain parts of the brain. Many Schizophrenics therefor smoke. It is possible that cutting is a way for someone, with an abnormality, to stimulate the production of chemicals like adrenalin to correct the abnormality.

What a load of crap!
So cutting yourself is actually perfectly normal?
Thanks for proving that down is up in the bizarre world of a devil worshipping goth.

Clothes and Make-up:
cliche', but it's a nonconformist sort of thing.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

We know what goth "music" is about:
Killing yourself and/or being miserable in any perceivable way..
And it glorifes sin too!

Wrong, try again

Yes, of course it is..
And you show how unique and individualistic you are by all dressing the same, engaging in the same lifestyle, and listening to the same kind of music!

The only thing you got right on that is the music part. Why do we all like the same music? Well that's a question with an anchovies/green peppers type of answer. The clothes are just a way that some Goths choose to distance themselves from the social norm. Even then there are vastly different styles in which they do it in but I understand that you can't tell the difference, you guys all look the same to me too. The same lifestyle ... well, agreed, we live all live lifestyle we choose, which generally turn out to be vastly different ...

No. Whatever it is real or not, magic is REBELLION against God, it is an attempt to cause miracles or similar without the aid of God.
The attempt is the sin, not the result.

Again, sin or not is not the topic, try again.

What a load of crap!
So cutting yourself is actually perfectly normal?
Thanks for proving that down is up in the bizarre world of a devil worshipping goth.

Well it is normal for sick people to do things that make them feel better, like having a bowl of soup.

I'd give you a 3/10 because I'm feeling generous.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Wrong, try again

So goth music glorifies God and His eternal laws?
If not, then it glorifes sin.

The only thing you got right on that is the music part. Why do we all like the same music? Well that's a question with an anchovies/green peppers type of answer. The clothes are just a way that some Goths choose to distance themselves from the social norm. Even then there are vastly different styles in which they do it in but I understand that you can't tell the difference, you guys all look the same to me too. The same lifestyle ... well, agreed, we live all live lifestyle we choose, which generally turn out to be vastly different ...

You refuse one norm just to be pick another.
Way to be "unique"...

Again, sin or not is not the topic, try again.

You come to a BAPTIST CHURCH forum, and then you say that sin is not the topic.
Are you dumb? And I mean as in VERY dumb..

It is all about sin. And only Jesus can forgive yours.
Pray tell, why don't you accept Jesus?

Well it is normal for sick people to do things that make them feel better, like having a bowl of soup.

Or for a wicca to eat babies, or a papist to rape altar boys..
But you're missing the point; that having those urges (being sick in ANY way) isn't normal!
Neither is being a scizoid. (ie demon possessed.)

Clearly, God is punishing you goths with madness and demon possession for daring to reject Him.

I'd give you a 3/10 because I'm feeling generous.

Sorry, don't care what some pre-teen gothtard thinks about me.
And I'm willing to bet that not a single normal person would care..

[roserougesang]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Sorry, don't care what some pre-teen gothtard thinks about me.
And I'm willing to bet that not a single normal person would care..

The way you said that it seems like you're saying you guess that no one else would care about you

Poor you

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

The way you said that it seems like you're saying you guess that no one else would care about you

Poor you

Yes, it might appear so to someone of low intelligence.
But that hardly speaks against ME.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

So goth music glorifies God and His eternal laws?
If not, then it glorifes sin.

Nope, still wrong

You refuse one norm just to be pick another.
Way to be "unique"...

Refuse what I don't like resulting in a unique lifestyle.

You come to a BAPTIST CHURCH forum, and then you say that sin is not the topic.
Are you dumb? And I mean as in VERY dumb..

It is all about sin. And only Jesus can forgive yours.
Pray tell, why don't you accept Jesus?

Wrong, try again

Or for a wicca to eat babies, or a papist to rape altar boys..
But you're missing the point; that having those urges (being sick in ANY way) isn't normal!
Neither is being a scizoid. (ie demon possessed.)

Then having the urge to sleep isn't normal, the urge to eat or drink isn't normal, the urge for sex, not that you would know anything about that, isn't normal, the urge to defecate isn't normal, the urge to live isn't normal ... see what I'm getting at? You're wrong, try again.

Do you know anything other than that decrepit old book? Did you ever make it out of second grade? Is you're place in society just to sit in your little church and tell the world "he's coming, don't worry ..."?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Refuse what I don't like resulting in a unique lifestyle.

Don't kid yourself.
You're choosing to be goth because you conform to that lifestyle:
You label yourself a goth, you dress like a goth, you listen to goth music.. Yeah, very unique indeed!
Just about as unique as every other of the several thousands of zit-faced teenagers hiding their insecurity behind makeup and black clothes..

And when dressed up, goths also ALWAYS travel in packs, and that tells us something of how unique and individualistic you are..
You don't even have the guts to flaunt your God-hating lifestyle when you're alone.

Nope, still wrong

Wrong, try again

Do you even HAVE a non-retarded argument or anything to say, apart from variatons of "wrong"?
It doesn't seem so.

Then having the urge to sleep isn't normal, the urge to eat or drink isn't normal, the urge for sex, not that you would know anything about that, isn't normal, the urge to defecate isn't normal, the urge to live isn't normal ... see what I'm getting at?

Yes, a very retarded argument that assumes there is no difference between normal people, and those who want to rape children and eat fetuses..
It only goes to prove you are lost in some kind of fantasy world where evil is good and up is down.

You're wrong, try again.

Do you know anything other than that decrepit old book? Did you ever make it out of second grade? Is you're place in society just to sit in your little church and tell the world "he's coming, don't worry ..."?

Do you have ANYTHING to say apart from variations of "wrong" or has God cursed you by taking away atleast half your vocabulary?

As for my knowledge, I probably know more than you..
After all, I'm the only one of us who actually holds a real job.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Don't kid yourself.
You're choosing to be goth because you conform to that lifestyle:
You label yourself a goth, you dress like a goth, you listen to goth music.. Yeah, very unique indeed!
Just about as unique as every other of the several thousands of zit-faced teenagers hiding their insecurity behind makeup and black clothes..

And when dressed up, goths also ALWAYS travel in packs, and that tells us something of how unique and individualistic you are..
You don't even have the guts to flaunt your God-hating lifestyle when you're alone.



Do you even HAVE a non-retarded argument or anything to say, apart from variatons of "wrong"?
It doesn't seem so.



Yes, a very retarded argument that assumes there is no difference between normal people, and those who want to rape children and eat fetuses..
It only goes to prove you are lost in some kind of fantasy world where evil is good and up is down.



Do you have ANYTHING to say apart from variations of "wrong" or has God cursed you by taking away atleast half your vocabulary?

As for my knowledge, I probably know more than you..
After all, I'm the only one of us who actually holds a real job.

I hope you realize that my just saying "wrong" over and over again is just like saying "god said so" and I hope you learn something from this. Now kindly see yourself out and send in WilliamJenningsBryan, we have things to discuss.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I hope you realize that my just saying "wrong" over and over again is just like saying "god said so" and I hope you learn something from this. Now kindly see yourself out and send in WilliamJenningsBryan, we have things to discuss.

Yes, I've learned that you're a angst ridden pre-teen in this thread, but I could already see that in your first post in here..

And watch your tone if you want to stay, gothtard. (And with the lack of attention you get, I reckon you want to. )
You don't get to dictate anything here, I can "show you out" (ie toss you out) not the other way around.
So 'kindly' try to be intelligent and if that's too hard for you, then you might as well shut up and crawl your insecure behind up in a corner as you do in real life.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

And I expected you to be able to follow the subject. This is NOT about whether Goth music is 'evil', this is NOT about whether Goths are 'Hellbound'. You accused all Goths of being homosexuals, satanists, pedophiles, witches/vampires, drug addicts, alcoholics, suicidal/depressed, disrespectful, violent, murderous, and dangerous, but have proven none of these accusations to be true for ALL Goths. Why? Most of those were just made up to get attention to the subject. You know nothing of the Goth subculture, you know nothing about Goth music.

So are you French, or are you Korean? I'm confused.

Magic:
Only a hand full of Goths actually practice magic, and fewer actually believe in it. The practice of magic can also be viewed therapeutically, much like meditation or prayer.

So you're saying that half the deluded demon-conjuring Satanist goths who practice magic don't actually believe in magic? What's the point of that? What's wrong with them? And prayer isn't a form of therapy, it's when you ask GOD to kill goths on your behalf.

Cutting:
Goth is not the only subculture that this is frequently associated with, actually it could now just be associated with youthes in general.

No. It's associated with goths, emos, and emo goth fags. If it's associated with "youthes in general", how come the negroes aren't doing it? The only things the tarbabies cut are the scrawny pasty behinds of deluded white fairyboys like yourself.

Clothes and Make-up:
cliche', but it's a nonconformist sort of thing.

I second Brother Seeker's comment of , and furthermore would like to add

I'd suggest Voltaire's book What is Goth to broaden your mind a bit on the subject.

GOD killed Voltaire for being a blaspheming French deist homer in 1778. What would he know about goth scum?

Why do we all like the same music?

Because you have all been buggered in the ears by Satan.

we live all live lifestyle we choose, which generally turn out to be vastly different ...

Congratulations, you have successfully produced gibberish.

Again, sin or not is not the topic, try again.

Sin or not is not the topic; the topic is how we Godfearing Christians can rescue children from the sin of gothism. So far, you have contributed nothing of use.

The way you said that it seems like you're saying you guess that no one else would care about you

Poor you

We only wish that no-one else cared about us; then they wouldn't persecute us so relentlessly and hatefully. We care about what GOD thinks of us, everyone else can go hang.

Then having the urge to sleep isn't normal, the urge to eat or drink isn't normal, the urge for sex, not that you would know anything about that, isn't normal, the urge to defecate isn't normal, the urge to live isn't normal ... see what I'm getting at? You're wrong, try again.

So you think that the urge to sleep is the same as the urge to bugger small children? I'd hate to see you when you're tired.

Do you know anything other than that decrepit old book? Did you ever make it out of second grade? Is you're place in society just to sit in your little church and tell the world "he's coming, don't worry ..."?

Yes, because if there's one person I'd go to for advice about how to get on in the world and be accepted in society, it's a generic goth moron.

[roserougesang]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

GOD killed Voltaire for being a blaspheming French deist homer in 1778. What would he know about goth scum?

Actually, OpiatedEnnui is referring to a musician who has the stage name of Voltaire. He also writes non-fiction satire books relating to the gothic subcultures and also creates some pretty nice comics.

https://www.voltaire.net