[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Proving that god does not exist is not the basis of my argument, in the end this is about being a Goth and the threat your sort of thinking poses to being one. The way I see it is that you are endangering our way of life with biblical propaganda, this spreads to the media, creating the same kind of misconceptions of our subculture, just like the misconceptions about your religion. In words more familiar to you: All I want is to go to hell in peace and quiet, without your kind influencing my place in society.

Now as far as proving my the possibility of doubt I'd suggest to read over this http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...ral/occam.html
and
http://www.math.ucalgary.ca/~scollnik/balducci/bayes.html

I can certainly confirm that we are aware of William of Occam and are certainly grateful that he put a stop to the Cathylicks inordinate waste of scholarship trying to figure out how many angels would fit on the head of a pin. The use of Bayesian analysis in reference to the existence of God is quite clever, but in the end is tragically flawed in its overly simplistic approach and groundless assertions and assumptions. For starters the author creates a straw man, a false dichotomy between a "natural" and a "super-natural" God universe. The writer is further uninformed of the state of modern physics, particularly quantum mechanics and the collapse of probability waves, not to mention his appeals to out dated reductionism. He even tries to be amusing in making a parallel argument concerning ESP (ignoring a body of experimental data), completely ignorant that Bells Theorem was verified at CERN in the 1980's - meaning that the universe is non-local.

As a practical matter, Bayesian analysis has been recently applied with some degree of success to the problem of SPAM. But as we all know, some of it still gets through or is miss-categorized.

As you pointed out, your argument is not based on the existence of God. The subject here is "Goth", or what you like to call a harmless sub-culture. Perhaps you would like to elaborate on just what is so compelling about this "sub-culture" and why anyone would want to adopt it. Perhaps you would like to explain after some 1,243 posts why anyone has not been able to do so. Given your exuberant hubris, I certainly look forward to your scholarly presentation.

[Deaner]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Unfortunately your hostilities disallow me from doing so.

Our hostilities?? Did we ask you to come here? You waltzed in and immediately started attacking us. Let's take a look at the very first thing you posted, the first words out of your mouth after "Ahoy extremists"...

I find it hard to believe that there are actually people in this world as dense as most of you here seem to be.

Oh yeah, I'm feeling the love friend. Maybe someday I can be a role model just like you.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Why would you tell someone to kill themselves? Thats a horrible thing to say, regardless of where you believe he might be going.

Because that's what Goths do. They sit around, whining about how tragic their lives are, playing with razor blades and pretending to kill themselves.

I'm suggesting he be a man for once, and get the job done. It'd be much more constructive than playing Internet Tough Guy and attacking good Christian folk, who've done nothing to him, in their own Forum.

Look, I'm even giving him some helpful guidance:

[kikirnw]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Because that's what Goths do. They sit around, whining about how tragic their lives are, playing with razor blades and pretending to kill themselves.

I'm suggesting he be a man for once, and get the job done. It'd be much more constructive than playing Internet Tough Guy and attacking good Christian folk, who've done nothing to him, in their own Forum.

Look, I'm even giving him some helpful guidance:

I'm glad I didn't eat breakfest today. Oh my,but that is gross. I understand your upset with him,but I don't see how killing oneself is being a man. Isn't trying to kill oneself and not really doing it a cry for help?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I'm glad I didn't eat breakfest today. Oh my,but that is gross. I understand your upset with him,but I don't see how killing oneself is being a man. Isn't trying to kill oneself and not really doing it a cry for help?

I'm not upset with him, I'm trying to guide him toward his intended goal in a more efficient manner.

And trying to kill oneself while denying God is a cry for eternal damnation.

Meanwhile, coming to God's Favorite Forum to insult good Christian folk who have done nothing to him is bigotry, far from a cry for help!

[kikirnw]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I'm not upset with him, I'm trying to guide him toward his intended goal in a more efficient manner.

And trying to kill oneself while denying God is a cry for eternal damnation.

Meanwhile, coming to God's Favorite Forum to insult good Christian folk who have done nothing to him is bigotry, far from a cry for help!

My mistake,sorry. Just trying to understand some things. Once again,sorry.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

WilliamJenningsBryan I will say again I'm only pointing out the possibility of doubt. As for the Goth subculture, the simplest way to put it is that Goth is a type of music and the Goth subculture consists of people that enjoy that they of music. That is it, everything else is individual choice. The reason why it is often associated with cutters, suicide, or poetry is simply because those are the choices that several individuals have made. But to say that all Goths will do these things is ignorance. And I think Enobarbus can confirm and relate to this.

It is common knowledge. I can't credit that anyone wouldn't know. I have known since I was a child. To suggest that anyone with any interest in religion wouldn't know is risibly absurd. The problem with you is that you would need to be more intelligent and more knowledgeable than you are to realise how unintelligent and ignorant you are. It's sad, but I doubt that you are educable.

Same deal my friends.

Deaner, if this thread did not exist I wouldn't be here. Now as for my own immediate hostility is quite simple, I've read through this thread and, again I have to repeat myself, and found that you attack anyone with a slightly different point of view. So there is no point in me being nice, and to put it simply insult demands attention ...

Because that's what Goths do. They sit around, whining about how tragic their lives are, playing with razor blades and pretending to kill themselves.

I'm suggesting he be a man for once, and get the job done. It'd be much more constructive than playing Internet Tough Guy and attacking good Christian folk, who've done nothing to him, in their own Forum.

Look, I'm even giving him some helpful guidance:

That's cute OnYourKnees, I think I've shot that "Internet Tough Guy" part down once before. If this what you said about Goths is true then could I say Christians only sodomize little boys and kill anyone that doesn't agree with them because I can't tell the difference?

I'm not upset with him, I'm trying to guide him toward his intended goal in a more efficient manner.

And trying to kill oneself while denying God is a cry for eternal damnation.

Meanwhile, coming to God's Favorite Forum to insult good Christian folk who have done nothing to him is bigotry, far from a cry for help!

I think I have sufficiently explained my reason for being here on several occasions. And being offensive is a tool to get you to say the things I want you to in order to show that your misconceptions about Goths are similar to those that we have about your kind of Christian. End of story.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Deaner, if this thread did not exist I wouldn't be here. Now as for my own immediate hostility is quite simple, I've read through this thread and, again I have to repeat myself, and found that you attack anyone with a slightly different point of view. So there is no point in me being nice, and to put it simply insult demands attention ...

We do not attack anyone with a point of view different from ours.

We clearly inform those who come to our Baptist CHURCH Forum if they are behaving in ways which are counter to GOD'S LAWS.

Dressing in strange apparel? Violation, hellbound.

Painting themselves up like harlots? Violation, hellbound.

Perverse sex acts? Violation, hellbound.

Unlike YOU, who clearly want everyone to enjoy the party bus to Hell, we only want to share the Truth about Jesus' Unconditional Love, available to all who obey Him without question in all things.

WE want your little goth friends -- and even you, despite your rudeness and vile accusations -- to love Jesus as much as we do, that you might service His every need in Heaven for all eternity, or until such time as you choose to sin and are cast into eternal Hellfire.

Do you thank us? No, you attack and insult us.

Well, you and your father Lucifer may both hate us, but we'll love you just the same. We love you enough to whack you over the head with a baseball bat until you come to Jesus, if that's what it takes!

[Mrs. Rogers]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

We love you enough to whack you over the head with a baseball bat until you come to Jesus, if that's what it takes!

What a wonderful, loving sentence, bursting with True Christian™ sentiment ... but I fear the OpiatedGothicMasses will twist your words to suit their inbuilt persecution complex, supplying our forums with even more fine whine and cheesy, pouty posts.

[Daisy Mae Johnson]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Oh My GOD!

I think this Opiated gothtard was sent here from Hell to torture us. I think she is a real live demon!

Get thee behind me DEMON! Get thee hence! I REBUKE you in the name of JESUS!

This child is no creation of GOD'S. Just LOOK at the pure evil that seeps out of her.

Compare for yourself. Gothtard and a Demon from the pits of Hell.

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Oh My GOD!

I think this Opiated gothtard was sent here from Hell to torture us. I think she is a real live demon!

Get thee behind me DEMON! Get thee hence! I REBUKE you in the name of JESUS!

This child is no creation of GOD'S. Just LOOK at the pure evil that seeps out of her.

Compare for yourself. Gothtard and a Demon from the pits of Hell.

This thread finally found a measure of compromise, why do you provoke the subject further?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

This thread finally found a measure of compromise, why do you provoke the subject further?

Compromise? Friend, there can be no compromise with Jesus Holy Word(r).

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

This thread finally found a measure of compromise, why do you provoke the subject further?

Us telling you why exactly you are Hellbound is a measure of compromise?

[OpiatedEnnui]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Us telling you why exactly you are Hellbound is a measure of compromise?

Actually, yes, none of what was said addressed the issue about what it means to be a goth, therefor you understand and accept that the only thing that Goths have in common is the love for a certain kind of music, ending this discussion.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Actually, yes, none of what was said addressed the issue about what it means to be a goth, therefor you understand and accept that the only thing that Goths have in common is the love for a certain kind of music, ending this discussion.

When did we say that?

And since when do guests decide when threads on our Forum are finished?

Your "goth" music gives the impression of evil. That in itself, according to Paul, is enough for us to condemn it.