[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: STOP being Left-handed!!!

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence.

Mrs Barruga, I find myself ever so slightly embarrassed here. I would never have referred to you as "that Dolores woman" if I had thought for a moment that you would read it. I will be more careful in future and hope you will find it in your heart to excuse my carelessness.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I wanted to show that yes, rational people can have differences

In all my days, I never knew until you came and showed me the light! This must be why you have the light bulb of the month award.

there is even a post on here entitled "god hates rational thinking"

Imagine that! A thread on a church forum talking about what the Bible says!

Will wonders never cease?

[Jonathan Thomas]

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dolores,

read again my posts. if you do not want to i will summarize;


reproducing without citing is an example of how plagiarism was carried out. NOT the definition! again, Plagiarism must include the intent of fraud. But way to cherry pick!


Also, getting your point across is indeed a key factor in discussion in order to reach said conclusion. my point being the antithesis to your thesis.


And yes, I will address your other requests. Hold your horses lol It would be easier to get to your questions if people would not keep whining with slanderous infractions. Perhaps this is not the best place to discuss though? I actually do appreciate your valid and worthwhile commentary and value real thinking. I apologize if I insulted you or demeaned your comments as yours were the most thought out I have seen aside from maybe elmer white. And although our definitions of plagiarism differs, I would like to say that most of what got posted without citation was in a frantic defense against multiple people. And I actually would start citing in a discussion with you if i referenced others, but I was enjoying riling people up over it. The fact is though, citing does not matter to me much on here because half the people here do not even read it after seeing anything that does not fit into their little box. And being that most of what I posted without citation can be seen posted in numerous different threads by people who did cite and were banned from the site. As such, it is a reasonable assumption that this community would know it was not mine and there would be no confusion. Indeed, one of the infractions i received from mary even stated that one post was "all over the internet" But I will try to be more respectful to you as you have done for me.




Oh and no, I was not asking you about the belief in god. I was asking people like mary who responded exactly as I expected. I wanted to show that yes, rational people can have differences but you should not assume these people feel that way. there is even a post on here entitled "god hates rational thinking"

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: STOP being Left-handed!!!

dolores,

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!

Not on this site it is not. Lets see, any true christians feel that there is no god?

No. That is what defines them as Christians, they believe in God.

You agree, or do you damn her to eternal hellfire?

Are you talking to me? Yes, I know I am in danger of eternal hellfire in case if Judeo-Christian God exists.

What does that have to do with the issue I have raised, that it is possible to agree on some issues while disagreeing on other?

And I know how to quote, but this is a forum and as such I could care less about being grammatically correct.

It's not about being grammatically correct, it is about being comprehensible.


You start a quote with [ quote] - without the extra space, as I want to show you the command rather than trigger it - and you end a quote with [ /quote]. Not rocket science, really.

The purpose is getting your point across.

No, the purpose of a forum is to reach a conclusion, distilling a synthesis between the thesis and antithesis.

If you just want to get your point across without listening to others, feel free to create a blog.

Were I writing in order to be published or graded, I would actually feel inclined to be more professional.

Then what incentive would I, or anyone else on this forum, have to engage in a discussion with you?

Same reason Plagiarism does not apply here actually

I am sorry, but that's baloney, and you yourself have proven that in the definition of plagiarism you have provided:

According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, to "plagiarize" means:

• to use (another's production) without crediting the source

Do I understand correctly, that you are not willing to critically discuss the text you plagiarized, and you are not willing to prove your thesis regarding the quality of my arguments?


Well, at least I tried. I rest my case.

[Jonathan Thomas]

Re: STOP being Left-handed!!!

dolores,

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!






Not on this site it is not. Lets see, any true christians feel that there is no god?
You agree, or do you damn her to eternal hellfire?


And I know how to quote, but this is a forum and as such I could care less about being grammatically correct. The purpose is getting your point across. Were I writing in order to be published or graded, I would actually feel inclined to be more professional. Same reason Plagiarism does not apply here actually

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Plus, when I look at all the hatred and suffering created by religions, I cannot stop myself from wondering why God would permit such atrocities - does He like it? Does He not care? Is He unable to help - in which case it would be completely useless to pray to Him? Or - and this is where you need to keep your mind really widely open -

This is the Great Hoax New Atheists have been telling their patrons for years now. They throw this out so the new recruits of Satan's army don't feel guilty for sinning, for throwing life away in a tissue or the bottom of a dirty sock, for sleeping in on Sunday rather than going to church and singing hymns and listening to how the Word of God can apply to their lives today.

maybe He does not exist at all?

Nonsense. Jesus is all-knowing and all-powerful. He created the world out of nothingness through the Mighty and Divine Power of His Word. History shows He punished mankind for being gullible and prideful, and so He eventually incarnated Himself in Human flesh and came down to shed His Own Blood so He could adhere to His Own rules for the sake of those of us who believe. The Word of God tells us He floated up through the clouds and is seated in Heaven where we cannot see Him but nevertheless He can see and hear and silently communicate with us. This is self evident to anyone who pays attention to reality.

But if you like to pretend in the magical explanation that in the beginning there was nothing, and nothing became everything with no cause whatsoever, have at it. The world will laugh at you and you, and rightfully so. Then Jesus will (Psalms 2:4), and righteously so!

[Jonathan Thomas]

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[Dolores de Barriga]

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dolores,

maybe you have a memory problem? You asked all of this BEFORE any of the accusations of plagiarism. hopefully this alleviates your confusion.

It does, thank you, Mr. Thomas. I completely forgot about these, since you kept ignoring them, I just gave up on them.

Re-reading these does make one wonder why mary and joanna would be asking the opinion of someone who says they do not believe god exists...

The answer you seek is in this post by Mrs. Lytton Vasey. Second paragraph, last sentence. You see, it is possible to disagree on some issues with a person while agreeing on others. Mind boggling as it may appear, it is actually possible!


Now that we have cleared these issues, I am impatiently waiting for your thoughtful essay defending the thesis that my arguments are amateur. I do expect a critical engagement with my arguments, while avoiding traps of common logical fallacies!

By the way - you really should learn how to quote properly.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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dolores,

Hello Mr. Thomas, and welcome to this forum! I hope you will find here answers to questions you seek. This community may seem rough on the edges but they mean well, they really want you, and everybody else here, to read the Bible and accept it as is rather than as we would like it to be.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Thomas
No, I believe having an open mind,

That is a great thing to believe.

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seeing the miracle that is all around us
Which miracles are you talking about here, Mr. Thomas? Because there is a lot of ethnic cleansing, exploitation, disease, and other forms of suffering in the world, and for me, all that makes seeing the good things more difficult.

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and respecting it as well as ALL of gods creations as equals will though.
OK. So you are saying that a KKK member or a neonazi should be treated with equal respect as any other person. I won't argue with that, but the fact you are talking about "God's creations" means your mind is less open than you would want us to believe. Did you consider the possibility that nothing in this world is God's creation?

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but I respect the fact that men should not be the ones doing that judging in the name of ANY one!
So, we should get rid of the police, judges, and juries? Just let everybody do their thing without judging them nor putting away those who harm others?

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I have enough respect for God to believe he has it figured out without our help
Again, your closed mind is showing. How do you know there is a God? If there is a God, how do you know He cares about people


and


Hello Mr. Thomas. Thank you for your kind reply to a small part of my post.

What I am wondering, is how come you still claim to believe in a God that created stuff on Earth despite your knowledge of borrowings within ancient religions?


Because I look at the same evidence and it just looks made up to me. Plus, when I look at all the hatred and suffering created by religions, I cannot stop myself from wondering why God would permit such atrocities - does He like it? Does He not care? Is He unable to help - in which case it would be completely useless to pray to Him? Or - and this is where you need to keep your mind really widely open - maybe He does not exist at all?


maybe you have a memory problem? You asked all of this BEFORE any of the accusations of plagiarism. hopefully this alleviates your confusion. Re-reading these does make one wonder why mary and joanna would be asking the opinion of someone who says they do not believe god exists...

[Dolores de Barriga]

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dolores,

most of what you wrote is opinion and also wrong--see? I can act like a true christian as well!

No, I don't really see any True Christians running around throwing temper tantrums.

I do not believe you read more than what you wanted from those sites, otherwise you would have seen that most of your comments are covered in them and make your arguments look amateur.

Very well - prove it. Just saying that my arguments look amateur doesn't make that statement true.


And please do not reply with a pasted quote or a link. I want to hear your voice, your opinion, your understanding, and not of some random idiot on the internet.

As to not wanting to discuss....Have you never actually had conversations with people? If you ask questions of someone, you are looking for a response. If you did not want to discuss YOUR posts you should not have asked so many questions in those posts. I think you are confused....

Oh, I am deeply confused, right now. First, you come here copying and pasting some stuff without thinking. Then, I politely ask you to try to read critically the stuff you copied and pasted, with the hope that this exercise may teach you why it is not good to just copy and paste random stuff from the internet. Then you want to discuss my posts, which does not make any sense whatsoever as my posts are just appeals to critically assess the stuff you wrote. And now you are avoiding engaging in a fact-checking conversation altogether.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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be diligent before assuming things people. this infraction came immediately after I proposed DISCUSSING topics with dolores, Something i never proposed or did with didymus--I merely responded to his sick perverted thoughts in order to encourage him to seek god and banish his disgusting masturbation obsessed demons from his body.





Nice try Mary but considering the amount of posts i have received using far more disgusting and graphic representations of the filthy act, maybe you should be a little more responsible in your duties as a moderator!

[Jonathan Thomas]

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dolores,



most of what you wrote is opinion and also wrong--see? I can act like a true christian as well! I do not believe you read more than what you wanted from those sites, otherwise you would have seen that most of your comments are covered in them and make your arguments look amateur.


As to not wanting to discuss....Have you never actually had conversations with people? If you ask questions of someone, you are looking for a response. If you did not want to discuss YOUR posts you should not have asked so many questions in those posts. I think you are confused....I never differentiated between your older posts and the one you are now obsessed with. I did however respond to that particular bit first in order to comply and be polite.


But it is all in good humor anyway...

[Jonathan Thomas]

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[Dolores de Barriga]

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Dolores,

And by the way. this is what oxford dictionary says about the word discuss;

Mr. Thomas, I deeply apologize if you have trouble understanding what I am trying to convey. I will color code the relevant part of my quote that you seem to have missed:

As you can see, I am not interested in discussing my posts with you.

I hope that from now on, you will be concentrating with more effort on reading before you write. That being said, I do appreciate that you are finally willing to try to read critically - and discuss afterwards - the stuff you mindlessly copied and pasted.

I find your way of writing inside of a quote rather confusing, but I see you made no effort to critically assess any of the statements, you just threw some websites or words of support. Hence, I will cite the original copied text and do the critical analysis for you:

it was sadly ironic that Christianity teaches abstinence but Christians have more unsafe sex than those educated in the precautionary methods of safe sex.

The person who wrote this is comparing oranges and apples. The fact that Christians practice unsafe sex is a logical consequence of their preaching abstinence - thus not teaching safe sex practices. What would make a much greater impact here, would be the statistic showing overall sexual encounters comparing Christians and non-Christians, for example in the teen to unmarried young adult categories.

I find it doubly ironic that Christians profess the sanctity of marriage, yet Evangelical Christians have among the highest divorce rates in the U.S.

When the author of this text is talking about the sanctity of marriage, he/she is talking about Catholics. Evangelical Christians are not Catholic.

Even more ironic still is the fact that the Catholic Church is thought of as the body of Christ, an extension of his love for us, and yet, child rape runs rampant throughout an obviously corrupted institution.

I agree with the author of this text here. Catholic Church is the longest-existing criminal organization in the world. That is why Catholic Church is criticized by many Christians. On this very forum, you will find an entire section devoted to criticizing the Catholic Church.

I find it ironic that End of the World millennialists, like the recent Family Radio nutters, would cause their families so much grief and hardship for stupid beliefs which obviously proved false--yet other Christians ignore them entirely--saying they are fringe--and that they don't represent real Christianity. What compassion! What empathy!

The author of these words seems to believe that "compassion" and "empathy" are concepts that are somehow relevant to Christianity. Therefore, he/she seems to ignore the 1700 years of history of Christianity - counting since the first time they became a power - which is a long string of genocides and different forms of oppression committed in the name of God. "Compassion" and "empathy" are not the words that come to my mind when I think about people committing a genocide or selling other human beings as property.

I find it ironic that Christianity is preached as a religion of love, yet never tires of informing you that you will burn in everlasting hellfire if you don't believe it too.

Well, this is exactly what the Christian Holy Book - the Bible - says, so there is no good way around it.


When you think about it, claiming that you have the only correct belief is what makes a religion survive. Even Bahaism - the religion that claims to be the most accepting and tolerant of them all - has the premise that while all religions are OK, their own is the best.

I find it ironic that Christians will jump at the chance to talk with you about your differing beliefs, only to casually and impolitely slip in the fact that everything you believe is false, that they are right, and you are wrong.

That goes with the previous point. The same happens if you talk to a Muslim, or a Bahai, or a Buddhist. Or, switching gears for a moment, the same thing happens when a Democrat meets a Republican: the Democrat is convinced he/she is correct and Republican is wrong, and vice versa.

It's strange, if not just a little bit ironic, that Christians think the Bible is in anyway reliable, the very bedrock of their pious faith, yet don't follow 90% of what it teaches.

That is true in many Christian denominations, but I think you will be positively surprised that this lovely community, the Landover Baptist Church, adheres to the Holy Bible 100%. Even to the very ugly bits of it.

I find it ironic that Christians think the Bible explains things in the natural world better than science, when in truth, that's such a distortion of reality as we know it that to believe such a thing is to prove oneself delusional.

The author of this statement seems to misunderstand the meaning of the word "believe." That's the basic difference between science and religion. A scientific mind looks at existing evidence and builds hypotheses, theories, and laws based on it. A religious mind doesn't care about evidence, because to believe means to accept things without any evidence, as well as contrary to evidence.

You see it in politics, too: with the Kavanaugh hearing, and no matter what evidence is brought, Republicans and Democrats have already made their decision, which is based on Kavanaugh's political views, and has nothing to do with his alleged conduct. Even now, half of the country believes he did it because they disliked him from the getgo, and the other half believes he's innocent because they already liked him before the allegation surfaced. That's the power of belief: evidence doesn't matter.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Dolores,
So since it is obvious from your own words that what you want to do IS IN FACT discuss, I will begin....

You're confused, dear. This topic regards the left-handed heresy, not every reason you're angry at Christians. Kindly stay on topic.