[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.

No, you're ignoring me. The "gay condition" also includes effeminacy. I've listed physical effeminate qualities, but the sheer fact that sodomites are attracted to other men makes them mentally effeminate.
Even putting all that aside, God makes it abundantly clear that you don't have to commit a physical act to commit a sin, you just have to think about it.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And from Jesus' own mouth, a direct quotation from the Lord...

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You don't think He's saying that it's fine to look at a man with lust, do you?
Here's how you can tell how wrong you are. You have a ring-kissing, Mary-worshipping papist cheering you on. When that happens, it's time to step back and take a look at what you're saying because it's likely going to lead you straight to Hell.

[Unfalsifiable]

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No, you're ignoring me. The "gay condition" also includes effeminacy. I've listed physical effeminate qualities, but the sheer fact that sodomites are attracted to other men makes them mentally effeminate.
Even putting all that aside, God makes it abundantly clear that you don't have to commit a physical act to commit a sin, you just have to think about it.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And from Jesus' own mouth, a direct quotation from the Lord...

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You don't think He's saying that it's fine to look at a man with lust, do you?
Here's how you can tell how wrong you are. You have a ring-kissing, Mary-worshipping papist cheering you on. When that happens, it's time to step back and take a look at what you're saying because it's likely going to lead you straight to Hell.

You can have the condition and not be effeminate. As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other. It aint pretty, but it is true.

Objectively if you can nullify your eros in to a state of platonic desire you can be saved. This may be confusing for you Sister as English only has one word for love covering all types of love.

[Roberta]

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No you're ignoring me.

You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.

It's not just about restraint! You must also be pure of heart and mind.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Coveting and committing are the same in God's eyes, Falso. Rev. Phelps is entirely correct.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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You can have the condition and not be effeminate. As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other. It aint pretty, but it is true.

Objectively if you can nullify your eros in to a state of platonic desire you can be saved. This may be confusing for you Sister as English only has one word for love covering all types of love.

"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.

[Unfalsifiable]

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"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.

Well dear you are clearly working off a different definition of the homosexual. The homo has to think sinful thoughts about men to be gay? In my view if his sexual preference is man, yet he chooses never to access his preference, never bring his eros in to play, he is still 'gay', yet savable.

I was also referring to different people when I described homos, some can be 1-100% effeminate and some can be 0%, dominance orientated

[Old Iron Crotch]

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"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.

I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Well dear you are clearly working off a different definition of the homosexual. The homo has to think sinful thoughts about men to be gay? In my view if his sexual preference is man, yet he chooses never to access his preference, never bring his eros in to play, he is still 'gay', yet savable.

I was also referring to different people when I described homos, some can be 1-100% effeminate and some can be 0%, dominance orientated

There is no such thing as a 0% effeminate homer as the very act of wanting to copulate with a man makes them effeminate to a degree.
How does a sodomite choose to be a sodomite if he never "accesses his preference"? If his "eros" doesn't come into play, he doesn't know if he wants to be a homer or not. At that point, he's asexual, and asexuality isn't an issue in the Bible and is, in fact, encouraged.

1 Corinthians 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Compare the last scripture I quoted to this one, and it's obvious that to "contain" means not even having a lustful thought. Without a lustful thought, a man will obviously not have chosen to be a sodomite. Don't forget, homosexuality is lifestyle choice and someone who chooses it is already consumed by lust, so your "eros" argument holds no weight.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.

1) That's "Mr. Whitford" to you.
2) Of course I love my husband. He is the head of me as Jesus is the head of the church, and I must love him as such.

[Roberta]

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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.

You of all people Dancer, what is wrong with mail order brides? Some of them even come with a reasonably good dowry!

http://artmam.net/Todays_Christian_Women-5.htm

[Old Iron Crotch]

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You of all people Dancer, what is wrong with mail order brides? Some of them even come with a reasonably good dowry!

http://artmam.net/Todays_Christian_Women-5.htm

Call me a romantic fool but I happen to think that men and women should actually get to know one another before getting married, and that the decision to marry should be a mutual one, not something that is decided by someone else based on how much money the woman's father thinks she's worth.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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1) That's "Mr. Whitford" to you.
2) Of course I love my husband. He is the head of me as Jesus is the head of the church, and I must love him as such.

"Must love?" One cannot command love - you either feel it or you don't.

[Brother Temperance]

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"Must love?" One cannot command love - you either feel it or you don't.

Have you ever read the Bible? Commanding love is one of the main things that God spends His time doing! I'm certainly not going to disobey His commands.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Have you ever read the Bible?

Brother Temperance! Look at who you're asking that of!

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Have you ever read the Bible? Commanding love is one of the main things that God spends His time doing! I'm certainly not going to disobey His commands.

You cannot force yourself to love someone - you either feel it or you don't.

[Roberta]

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Call me a romantic fool but I happen to think that men and women should actually get to know one another before getting married, and that the decision to marry should be a mutual one, not something that is decided by someone else based on how much money the woman's father thinks she's worth.

What in the world does love have to do with anything? Do you actually believe that Bill and Hillary love each other?

We all know about Slick Willy's proclivities; last I heard, Hill had a side thing going with Ellen DeGeneret.

BTW, who is your favorite candidate (this should be good for a couple of guffaws).