[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

This thread could use some serious pimple cream.

[Hello:D]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

Chapter and verse please. My Bible says.

2 Chronicles 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

"Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.

"When you are harvesting in your field and you overlook a sheaf, do not go back to get it. Leave it for the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat the olives from your trees, do not go over the branches a second time. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow. When you harvest the grapes in your vineyard, do not go over the vines again. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command you to do this. "

Deuteronomy 24 v 14-22

My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favouritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbour as yourself," you are doing right. But if you show favouritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

James 2 v 1-9

[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

Not everyone likes doing hand work or sports to vent, no denying this buddy.

Fat, greasy and mildly retarded is no way to go through life, son. Where is your daddy, boy? Did he not love you enough to give you whippings?

[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

"Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

"When you are harvesting in your field and you overlook a sheaf, do not go back to get it. Leave it for the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat the olives from your trees, do not go over the branches a second time. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow. When you harvest the grapes in your vineyard, do not go over the vines again. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command you to do this. "

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbour as yourself," you are doing right. But if you show favouritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

James 2 v 1-9

Who is my brother? Who are my neighbors? They certainly aren't some hell bound gamers.

[CorruptedCow]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

The original english version of Counter-Strike was 18+. In Germany the version that was available in regular (non-online/offline) shops, was a slightly censored one that is 16+. The reason why ANY game is 18+, is usually because of violent content. Should you confront yourself with voilent content regularly? No, of course you should'nt, but even just by watching any random news channel you do. Can an emotionally healthy person cope with voilence that is displayed infront of him/her? To a degree, I believe we can. We see how hurricanes, earthquakes, bullets and explosives destroy human lives. Does that cripple us emotionally?

It was said, that the game trains people to kill. Since I have never killed, but I have played Counter-Strike, I cannot truly compare. Did it teach me how to use a rifle/gun? No. I have no idea how to use a rifle, how to arm one or what to do when it gets jammed. Sure, as everyone else on this planet, I could pull the trigger... but I haven't learned that from the game.
Does it prepare you how to cope with the fact that you are ENDING a human life? How could it? How could anything on earth explain what you will/should feel or prepare emotionally you for killing?

In chess, there is black and there is white. The different colors are used to make a difference between the figures. In Counter-Strike there are two opposing sides. Like in most games, they made the characters different. In the game's perspective it is usually NOT of importance on which side you are, since you frequently (and more important automatically) switch sides. You don't actually kill a person representing that side. You press your mouse button, which changes the pixels displayed on your monitor. Usually, people know what is real and what isn't by the time they reach adulthood. In Counter-Strike you don't kill anyone. The worst thing you can do is make red pixels come out of a bunch of pixels that looks like a body. Does THAT teach me how to kill? Does it prepare me, train me? I highly doubt it, I probably couldn't even properly shoulder a rifle (speaking of that, some rifles are held exactly in line of the stomache, which I learned later in some random detective serial ON TV, would injure the person wielding the rifle).

There are two problems, in my view. The first one is that 17 year olds have access to guns, and 18+ games. Both are for adults, like other "products", hence 18+. They were made to be used by an adult mind.
The second problem is solving WHY one would massacare 15 people, or even kill ONE SINGLE person. If it was JUST the gun access, half of America would be dead. If it was only the "how"... It's of course the "why". Why would you want to kill a human being?

What could a game possibly have for a message to make people want to kill civilians, if the "targets" in the game are for example Terrorists, SWAT/SAS members (listed both, since the sides ARE switched, as written above)? Or is it possible that it was not just only the game. Im not sure how many copies of Counter-Strike were sold, but if every person who ever bought a copy would've went on a killing-spree, we would've seen alot more of it on the news (and usually such incidents are reported).

If not the game what then? Well, it has to be something that sorrounds the person. Some people are in fact aggressive then others, thanks their genes. But not that much. If it is something that sorrounds a 17 year old, that builds so much hate inside him/her, what could it be? In Tim Kretschmer's case, I would like to quote wikipedia (since some of you already have, I thought it would be somewhat of a good source for information):

His failing grades had prevented him from an apprenticeship so he attended a commercial high school (Donner + Kern) in Waiblingen as a preparation for an apprenticeship for a commercial career. Kretschmer was described by a friend as "a lonely and frustrated person who felt rejected by society". An anonymous friend described Kretschmer as a quiet student who began to withdraw from his peers.

He was an avid table tennis player and had hoped to become a professional player. Marko Habijanec, a Croatian table tennis player who coached Kretschmer at the Erdmannhausen sports club between 2000 and 2003, remembers him as being "a bit spoiled", his mother fulfilling many of his demands. According to Habijanec, Kretschmer had great difficulties accepting defeat: he would have a temper tantrum, yelling and throwing his racket. Having a high opinion of his own abilities, Kretschmer openly denigrated his teammates. When Habijanec discussed Tim's attitude with his mother, he was at disbelief to discover her siding fully with her son.

Media reports say he enjoyed playing the video game Counter-Strike and playing with airsoft guns. However, commentators also noted that "game addiction is a symptom of something wrong and not a cause". He also shot his guns in the forest behind his home and also in the basement of his house.


Kretschmer did not have a criminal record. The press reported that in 2008, Kretschmer had received treatment as an in-patient at the Weissenhoff Psychiatric Clinic near the town of Heilbronn and that after being discharged, Kretschmer was supposed to continue his treatment as an out-patient in Winnenden, but ended his treatment. According to police and clinic staff, he had been treated repeatedly for clinical on an out-patient basis in 2008. His family rejected these claims and maintained that he never received psychiatric treatment. According to a psychiatric report prepared for the prosecutor's office, Kretschmer met five times with a therapist and talked about his growing anger and violent urges; the therapist then informed Kretschmer's parents.

Three weeks before the shooting he had written a letter to his parents, saying that he was suffering and couldn't go on.

If put together, I get the following picture of this boy:
He was raised mostly by his mother, who spoiled him. He never really learned what "defeat" really was. He probably had his mothers stuck-up personality, since she raised him, which made him unpopular with everyone around him. He got frustrated of not having friends, possibly not understanding the reason. He found out that he could make "freinds" online, thus began playing Counter-Strike. Due to excessive playing, his grades got worse, which might have tossed him into depression, since he couldn't handle defeat. He had no real friends who could've pulled him out of it, so he surpressed his depression. After being brought to ha psychiatric clinic, his parents were dissapointed in him. By admitting that something was wrong with the child, the mother would've had to admit that the way she raised her wasn't perfect (and since that would've meant defeat for her, she just neglected the problem). At this point, Tim Kretschner had no friends, a family that practially denied him and no sight of any career, due to his bad grades.

He wasn't tought to seek out help, he was tought that he was supreme. And, as in many cases, he thought he needed a scapegoat. He chose his classmates, who most likely mocked him. After believing that it was their fault, and of course the teacher's who gave him bad grades, he was obviously blinded by his hate and decided to "end it all".

[WinWinWin]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

1)Fat, greasy and mildly retarded is no way to go through life, son. Where is your daddy, boy? Did he not love you enough to give you whippings?
2)This thread could use some serious pimple cream.
3)Chapter and verse please. My Bible says.

2 Chronicles 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

You just proved all of my points my good sir.
Especially the first one, gotta admit that was a good one... if it came from a 6 year old. You, mr. Levi Jones, is THE most pathetic adult I've ever stumbled upon across the internet.

And I kinda like your signature; "God Loves Germany" ?
You know that guy who were responsible for more deaths than some school-kids could ever achieve was? Yeah, you got that right; Mr. Hitler my good man.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

You just proved all of my points my good sir.
Especially the first one, gotta admit that was a good one... if it came from a 6 year old. You, mr. Levi Jones, is THE most pathetic adult I've ever stumbled upon across the internet.

And I kinda like your signature; "God Loves Germany" ?
You know that guy who were responsible for more deaths than some school-kids could ever achieve was? Yeah, you got that right; Mr. Hitler my good man.

Hitler was an Austrian and a cathlick, heathen!

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Hello:D]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

You blame video games for violent crime, and I personally posted a list of known murderers that were Christian. So, logically, Christianity is just as likely to cause someone to go on a killing spree as any video game.

Accept that these games, that are meant for MATURE people, are not the cause of every single crime committed. Blame the parents who ignore their child, for whatever reason. Blame the society that allows them to do whatever they want because they were never taught discipline. Who are you to punish people who happen to enjoy video games, if they work for the money to purchase and play those games? You're not in charge of anything. If I decide to spend my hard earned money on a video game, and enjoy that game, then who are you to insult me for it? To each their own. If I want to play Monopoly in the middle of my living room with my children rather than read bible verses to them, where's the negative? He wants us to be happy, and His wisdom gave us unique interests and habits. Your desire to weed out His "less acceptable" creations is despicable.

My "beef" is not with your religion. My "beef" is with your bigoted attitude towards the freedoms of others. It is NOT your place to set any rules upon anybody. God loves us all, as he should. I'm ashamed to see you insulting and belittling His children. You have a lot more to learn about how the world really works.

[CorruptedCow]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinWinWin
You just proved all of my points my good sir.
Especially the first one, gotta admit that was a good one... if it came from a 6 year old. You, mr. Levi Jones, is THE most pathetic adult I've ever stumbled upon across the internet.

And I kinda like your signature; "God Loves Germany" ?
You know that guy who were responsible for more deaths than some school-kids could ever achieve was? Yeah, you got that right; Mr. Hitler my good man.

Hitler was an Austrian and a cathlick, heathen!

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

And Hitler single handedly killed millions of jews. He was obviously more ambitious then I thought.

[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

You just proved all of my points my good sir.
Especially the first one, gotta admit that was a good one... if it came from a 6 year old. You, mr. Levi Jones, is THE most pathetic adult I've ever stumbled upon across the internet.

And I kinda like your signature; "God Loves Germany" ?
You know that guy who were responsible for more deaths than some school-kids could ever achieve was? Yeah, you got that right; Mr. Hitler my good man.

Aw, now you're going to make me cry.

Oh wait. No you aren't. The Word says I am blessed by your persecution.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

And Hitler single handedly killed millions of jews. He was obviously more ambitious then I thought.

Single handedly? Anyway that is by the by. He was a CATHLICK not a CHRISTIAN and he was AUSTRIAN not GERMAN.

Gee you atheists are dumb.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

And Hitler single handedly killed millions of jews. He was obviously more ambitious then I thought.

Fascinating! I wasn't aware that Hitler single-handedly killed millions of Jews. Do you have a link for that?

[Hello:D]

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Do all Baptists hate others as vehemently as the ones here? Not very Christlike if you ask me. I thought God wanted us to love one another as brothers, but apparently, that is not the case in this section of Christianity.

It's a shame to see a once great religion fall to scum like this.

[WinWinWin]

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Aw, now you're going to make me cry.

Oh wait. No you aren't. The Word says I am blessed by your persecution.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Ley Guardian Eregos. P.3.0.0 Such Insolence... Such Arrogance... Must be PUNISHED!

And these words says you're in deep shit.
Touchè.

[Levi Jones]

Re: HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN

Do all Baptists hate others as vehemently as the ones here? Not very Christlike if you ask me. I thought God wanted us to love one another as brothers, but apparently, that is not the case in this section of Christianity.

And what was Christ like?