[Jake the Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Do you believe that retards are going to hell? What about the pope? Jews? Negros? Goths? GAYS? If yes to any of the above, you damn these people, as you judge them, when it is only God's right to judge.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Do you believe that retards are going to hell? What about the pope? Jews? Negros? Goths? GAYS? If yes to any of the above, you damn these people, as you judge them, when it is only God's right to judge.

Jake boy, you really need to throw off the shackles of papistry and get right with God. Take a look at my sermon on the subject of judging others HERE. I pray that you will find it inspirational, as so many have before you.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Do you believe that retards are going to hell? What about the pope? Jews? Negros? Goths? GAYS? If yes to any of the above, you damn these people, as you judge them, when it is only God's right to judge.

See, this is why 15 year old Catholic kids shouldn't try to argue with 68 year old True Christian(tm) pastors who have studied the Bible thoroughly. I am not damning them, I am judging them. And the Bible makes it very clear that we have the right to judge!

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Pay attention to that last Corinthians quote. I can judge you because I am spiritual, but since you are not with God, you cannot judge me.

[Jake the Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Well, either of us could argue that. I believe I am more with God then you, but I don't pass judgement. And judgment and damnation are in essense the same word. Also, I don't think my age impairs me from arguing with you. What is your level of education?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Well, either of us could argue that. I believe I am more with God then you, but I don't pass judgement.

Did you not read what Pastor Zeke and I showed you?

And judgment and damnation are in essense the same word.

NO, they are not. They are not synonyms. If you see a movie, you judge it if it's good or bad. You don't "damn" it.

Also, I don't think my age impairs me from arguing with you. What is your level of education?

Sadly, it does, boy. I've been a reverend for three times as long as you've been alive! I've written over 2500 essays, reports, and published writings on the Bible. I have a M.A. in Biblical Scholarship from Biola University, a Christian Bible college in Southern California.

Pastor Zeke was also a child prodigy when it came to the Bible. He has memorized the entire book; I haven't! You should listen to your elders when we tell you what is best for you, ok?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Well, either of us could argue that. I believe I am more with God then you, but I don't pass judgement. And judgment and damnation are in essense the same word. Also, I don't think my age impairs me from arguing with you. What is your level of education?

My church bio can be seen HERE.

[Jake the Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I will not follow blindly what elders say, without considering the logic of it. Especially not from those of a different religion, and whom are almost the complete opposite of me. He may have been a prodigy with the bible, but I have been considered a prodigy in literature, and other practical arts.

[Giant Negro]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Children these days should be buying bibles not sin endorsing games like this!

[Nurse Clampett]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Children these days should be buying bibles not sin endorsing games like this!

Good point! Would you please create an introduction thread so we may know just how much of a big, black buck you are?

[Hunter]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Alright, I have read through this topic, and have come to a few conclusions. If you are not full of crap, I expect you to be able to answer up to this.

Racism/Sexism is not ok. I can hardly see how any of you can debate this. How about instead of bringing random Bible Quotes into this (which I know you will), why not try using the one thing that actually requires you not to be an idiot? Logic. Being black is just another color. African's color has nothing to do with god's will, it's just because of the location they have lived in has augmented the color of their skin (the amount of sun is the cause, proven scientifically). How would you act if you were born a different race, color, sex? It all comes down to chance, and you would not be so prevalent with your accusations if you were not born as you are today. It affects nothing besides appearance and shows ancestry.

Now to get on you for your fallout post.

First of all, you posted an article with a sole purpose as to degrade it. Sure you may have posted it online and only made it with the intention of people with the same beliefs as you viewing it, but here is an analogy. You make a essay about how everyone besides christians to die (Just an analogy), and publish it with the intent of only people with your beliefs viewing it. What do you think is going to happen, everyone just looking at the book that tells how your a bad person and should die and walk away without a word? You put this on the internet, which has the same viewerbase as a published book would have. It doesn't matter what forum it is on, people will see it and you making it does not make it impervious to conflicting views.

A kid played hitman enough to kill someone. You cite that as an example for everyone could be thinking of doing this... But you have absolutely no common sense here. Do you even know how many people play video games? Now out of the millions, and millions of people that play video games, the frequency with which video games are the indisputable cause of any violent or otherwise inappropriate actions is not even once a year. You say kids are impressionable. True. You say that video games are the stepping stone into real life violence. To show you I'm not an idiot, this can also be treated as true. But, you lack real life experience completely. All these theories are treating kids as mindless idiots, when in fact kids are the opposite. Hell, the brain starts deteriorating after the age of 21. When I see/watch people play video games... They are not thinking about killing people, they are playing for a concept you don't understand it seems. Fun. After they turn off the game, 15 year olds don't think, "Hmm I wonder how I could get a gun and do this in real life!" First of all, no one thinks like that. Second of all, food/girls/sleep/doing nothing is what comes to mind. Kids aren't all that complicated, but they sure as hell are not idiots.

You carelessly spout that Bethesda wants to encourage sin and satinic thoughts. Here is a funny question... Why would they want to do that? Too many people do that already. How about we actually think logically here instead of with hate, how about they want money maybe? Yea, sounds a bit more realistic eh? Or what about the developers like making games that are fun? Again, far more realistic than your "think first to hate" approach.

Cursing... I can argue all day that curse words are irrelevant and are just words with no power other than the heavy connotation associated with them, but that is for a different time. Here is a fact. Teens curse. Heres another. The game is aimed at teens, as you already have said, the M rating doesn't affect anything as anyone with half a brain can attain an M game anyway. And a last fact, Teens curse.. A lot. Maybe not your "perfect" kids, but the real kids that wouldn't get their ass kicked whenever they walked down the street in a bad neighborhood. And afterall thats the audience the game is directed at. Is it not? Its for increasing revenue and ratings, not a thing else.

To answer the rest, yes prostitution is bad, yes killing people is bad but that brings me back to the whole point of the post. It's a game, it is not meant to be taken seriously. Its for entertainment, not contemplating murder. But one thing I am genuinely angry with you at is you calling ghouls abominations. If you do not know this, than you can disregard this, but if you do know... There is a whole city of ghouls in the game, and it is not in the least a bad place. They created the city as the other cities shunned them for their disfigurations from the radiation/bomb. They are no different than us except for their appearance and any physical changes that come with it. Like someone else noticed before me, calling them demons is no different than calling survivors of Hiroshima demons. They were innocent women and children. And how can anyone make an argument that a young child that is young enough not to be subject to prejudice, whether the child is a subject or doer of it, is a demon because of some physical abnormality not even brought by birth? It isn't like all the people in hiroshima and nagasaki agreed with the government, so the same analogy can be made to full grown men and women.

Please do not spout bible verses out of context, I prefer logic. Does that make me an athiest? No it doesn't. Am I a devout christian? If I was a devout christian than I could be grouped with people like you and I would never let that happen. Also, how does age nullify an argument? I will give it to you that his argument wasn't that great, but calling him an idiot in nicer terms because of age is a low move. I don't look at age, I look at coherence. How old am I? 15.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Alright, I have read through this topic, and have come to a few conclusions...blah blah blah blah blah....wall of text....stupid gamer logic....blah blah blah blah blah...

I'm sorry, did you say something?

[Hunter]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Heh heh. Wow your pretty dense to be calling yourself and your views so smart.

[Hunter]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

And by the way, it isn't gamer logic, it is something called real life.

[Listening]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Wonderfully put. I don't think I could've said it any better myself. Not you Reverand. I don't like you much. Hunter is who I was talking to.
Seriously though, learn to tolerate different people. Communists, Gays, etc. Don't have to like them, you just have to tolerate them. Personally, I think that there should've been an eleventh commandment, not to judge God or anything. I'm not going to put it in ancient grammar. "Do not push your religon on others." Seriously.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

No, I just don't feel that it is proper to waste my time making a rebuttal towards someone with his head so far up his own behind. We have already established that Fallout 3 is a Satanic game and I gave more than a dozen reasons of why this is so. Many a gamer has come trying to defend this filth but failed.

It is violent, it features blasphemy towards God, it encourages terrorism and mayhem....it causes kids to kill. There's nothing to debate about.

Get right with Jesus or get out!