[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

You're not really playing God by using a man made weapon.

The weapon is a moot point. What I'm saying is you can go around and indiscriminately slaughter waves of people and whole towns, as if you were God. Only God has the right to do that. For humans to do it without His permission is a grave sin and they will burn in Hell.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Admiral Petty]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The weapon is a moot point. What I'm saying is you can go around and indiscriminately slaughter waves of people and whole towns, as if you were God.

I disagree with you Reverend. Mass murder is a very human quality. Since ... since Cain and Abel.

[Admiral Petty]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Now, while genocide-em-ups are fun. (please give me an edit post function, if this thread has it.) You can't say that killing entire waves of people is a godly act. In fact, the US did it 60 years ago with Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Now I'm not going to say ANYTHING about right or wrong, in fact I would like to stay away from that. What I'm saying is that war and conflict are human qualities. Conflict, and disorder are in essence mortal qualities. So, killing masses of people, while wrong and terrible, is not an insult to God, but a human fault that needs to be overcome.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

God Himself invented widespread genocide and mass murder. Cain murdered Abel. Okay. One person. But who was it that wiped out all of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. 26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD: 28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. 29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Now, while genocide-em-ups are fun. (please give me an edit post function, if this thread has it.) You can't say that killing entire waves of people is a godly act. In fact, the US did it 60 years ago with Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Now I'm not going to say ANYTHING about right or wrong, in fact I would like to stay away from that. What I'm saying is that war and conflict are human qualities. Conflict, and disorder are in essence mortal qualities. So, killing masses of people, while wrong and terrible, is not an insult to God, but a human fault that needs to be overcome.

Why, God frequently wants whole nations killed. Why do you think He commanded use to use nuclear weapons on Japan?

[Admiral Petty]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

God Himself invented widespread genocide and mass murder. Cain murdered Abel. Okay. One person. But who was it that wiped out all of Sodom and Gomorrah?

We both know why they were glassed. Who drove off the Caananites? If this was a perfect world, War wouldn't be needed. Obviously, God knew that war was the answer. Humans needed to invade and destroy humans. The fact is, war is ugly, and it's going to be our downfall. However, a game like Fallout 3 won't be. It's ugliness should only be a warning if we keep continuing down this path. Do you know how close we were to the big one in the cold war? You can argue God all you wish, but my Generation is going to be taking the reigns soon. I would rather have people use their God-Given common sense to make decisions rather than do "What God tells them to do" if it ends up with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Anyone up for New York, Moscow, Washingon, Minsk, Kremlin and Pentagon??

Why, God frequently wants whole nations killed. Why do you think He commanded use to use nuclear weapons on Japan?

If this is true, then for the love of creation, Atheism is the path to life. Thank God, this isn't the case!

[2020Hindsight]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Oh come on people, you all worry way to much about this stuff, was murdering not around way before videogames came around? Weren't there crusades sanctioned by the church during the middleages in which thousands of people died?

What I don't get is why people get in such a flush when there's killing in videogames, sure it's bad, but isn't it better than the alternative - killing for real?

Call me a heathen, or a heretic or whatever you want, I don't believe in god in a sense that we should live our entire lives walking on a thin moral line which discriminates right from wrong in black and white with no gray area inbetween. You do what you want with your life (so long as you're not hurting anyone else), live it up because once you're gone here there ain't no coming back.

Now I'm not saying "God doesn't exist so don't believe in him," rather the point I'm trying to get across is don't try to push your beliefs or judgement on anyone else because in the end we all have to face what we've done and there's only one who can decide whether or not it was right or wrong. Because afterall, there's many paths to choose from written by the hand of man but they were all still alive so the informations second hand.

Live Free. Live Well. Live YOUR Life

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Oh come on people, you all worry way to much about this stuff, was murdering not around way before videogames came around? Weren't there crusades sanctioned by the church during the middleages in which thousands of people died?

So what's your point? Yes there was killing before video games, but that doesn't mean that video games don't cause people to kill. By your logic, there was killing before the invention of guns....so guns don't kill people, right?

What I don't get is why people get in such a flush when there's killing in videogames, sure it's bad, but isn't it better than the alternative - killing for real?

At least you admit it is bad. It is a stepping stone. Video games make impressionable people desensitized to violence and also allows them to abuse their fantasies.

Call me a heathen, or a heretic or whatever you want, I don't believe in god in a sense that we should live our entire lives walking on a thin moral line which discriminates right from wrong in black and white with no gray area inbetween. You do what you want with your life (so long as you're not hurting anyone else), live it up because once you're gone here there ain't no coming back.

Well you are a heathen by definition then. If you don't believe in a God, why are you posting on a Christian forum? Do you see me posting on Fallout 3 forums telling them they are wrong? No.

Now I'm not saying "God doesn't exist so don't believe in him," rather the point I'm trying to get across is don't try to push your beliefs or judgement on anyone else because in the end we all have to face what we've done and there's only one who can decide whether or not it was right or wrong. Because afterall, there's many paths to choose from written by the hand of man but they were all still alive so the informations second hand.

We are not pushing any beliefs on anyone. This is a Christian forum for Christian people and I wrote this artice for Christians. Am I going out pushing this on gamers and atheists? No. This article was meant for Landover Baptist Church, warning my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ about this video game menace. How is that "pushing my beliefs onto others"?

[2020Hindsight]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

So what's your point? Yes there was killing before video games, but that doesn't mean that video games don't cause people to kill. By your logic, there was killing before the invention of guns....so guns don't kill people, right?

By my logic yes there was killing before guns, and yes guns don't kill people, people kill people.

At least you admit it is bad. It is a stepping stone. Video games make impressionable people desensitized to violence and also allows them to abuse their fantasies.

Alright I will agree with you here, perhaps videogames can cause impressionable people to commit such heinous acts as murder, theft, violence; but in today's world what doesn't? Even the bible tells stories of murder which "impressionable" individuals may come to fantasize about. We all have dark fantasies and those who can control them have no problem playing videogames, it's only the small percentage of those who can't control them that instantly bring a whole lot of publicity to it and then more-frequently-than-not everybody associated with said item is labeled "mentally insecure."

Well you are a heathen by definition then. If you don't believe in a God, why are you posting on a Christian forum? Do you see me posting on Fallout 3 forums telling them they are wrong? No.

Sir, nowhere did I say I didn't believe in god, I simply said I do not believe in him in the traditional sense that has been taught over the last two thousand years. Neither did I say I posted on Fallout 3 forums, which you inherently believe I do because I'm simply defending the fact that videogames don't kill people.

We are not pushing any beliefs on anyone. This is a Christian forum for Christian people and I wrote this artice for Christians. Am I going out pushing this on gamers and atheists? No. This article was meant for Landover Baptist Church, warning my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ about this video game menace. How is that "pushing my beliefs onto others"?

Attempting to take a god-given right away from somebody is pushing your beliefs. Regardless of what people like to interpret as god's saying, do we not all have free will? With said route we are all entitled to do whatever we wish with our lives without persecution by the human race, afterall god is the only one we have to answer to. It might sound a bit hypocritical, but people should not be judged by other people, doesn't the church teach forgiveness and equality? I'm fine with you warning your Christian Brothers and Sisters of what Fallout 3 contains, but stating that the company itself is evil and products like Fallout 3 brainwash children into psychopathic sadistic killers hell bent on worshipping Satan is far over the top. You have to understand any which way you look at it, violence sells over religion. Today's world is driven by the dollar not belief in a god which is why the industry puts out stuff like this. Anyways I've enjoyed debating over this topic with you and I don't want to seem rude but I have to get up early tomorrow and it's already 11:30. Thank you for being civil my good sir and I wish you a good night.

[figg]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

also im ready for a flame
*flame shield at the ready*

[Jake the Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't see the relevance of this post. I play both Fallout 3 and Oblivion, and I don't want to kill people. I consider myself a good Catholic, and Bethesda makes quality games, with Christian undertones. Fallout 3 quotes the bible several times, and you exagerated on the majority of what you said. I'm 15, and Fallout and Oblivion are not influencing me in anyway, it's all in good fun, and is only entertainment.

[figg]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

ur just another religious freak who thinks any game that invovles killing to be bad and satanic i know ur kind since ive known many religious ppl but as long as theres video games theres going to be ppl like u so get off and dont play the games or go near them just leave ppl alone

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't see the relevance of this post. I play both Fallout 3 and Oblivion, and I don't want to kill people. I consider myself a good Catholic, and Bethesda makes quality games, with Christian undertones. Fallout 3 quotes the bible several times, and you exagerated on the majority of what you said. I'm 15, and Fallout and Oblivion are not influencing me in anyway, it's all in good fun, and is only entertainment.

Like I said, no Christian should play this game but you are Catholic, not a Christian. Did you not read my original post? I noted that Bethesda quoted the Bible -- out of context! They turn the Revelations quote "waters of life" into some kind of thing about water purification when the verse is about Jesus being the only way to Salvation. Read that last sentence again, Mary-worshipper...Jesus is the only way to Salvation!

[Jake the Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't think it was used out of context, but simply cleverly used to the benefit of the storyline. I don't worship Mary, I acknowledge her as Jesus' mother.

- I don't believe you are a Christian either. No Christian would ever damn another person, no matter what the offense. Even if it's hard.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't think it was used out of context, but simply cleverly used to the benefit of the storyline. I don't worship Mary, I acknowledge her as Jesus' mother.

- I don't believe you are a Christian either. No Christian would ever damn another person, no matter what the offense. Even if it's hard.

Of course it was used out of context! What the heck does a Bible quote have to do with water purification? Nowhere did I damn anybody. Can you show me where I did this? Only Jesus can damn.